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post #6961 of 7025 Old 07-11-2015, 12:19 PM
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Does anyone here have an experience driving OMD-28 with Emotiva XPA-1 or XPA-2, or the NAD Master Series? I am considering a new amplifier (and maybe a preprocessor) because I have been using Yamaha RX-A2000, and it did not do the justice. Also, I need something with built-in voltage switches for 220V as I will be moving to Asia or Europe within a year (with all my gears shipped by sea). I like the idea of a class D amps because of how efficient they are but not sure if they have enough juice. The NAD M25, for example, is quoted 220 watts at 8Ω, 385 watts at 4Ω, and 485 watts at 2Ω, with all 7 channels simultaneously driven. It is essentially seven monoblocks inside a chassis.

For the XPA, I wonder if I should go with a pair of XPA-1 or an XPA-2 first? The XPA-2 also has a monoblock mode, so I can always get another XPA-2 and use them as monoblocks. My current room is ~12'x15'x9', and I am sitting about 10' from the speakers. I will probably leave in the same size apartment after moving.

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Also, I did get my OMD-28 fixed by an Freeman-Tuell Speaker Service in Texas. They are Mirage authorized repair center. It turns out the terminals are busted inside, and because they are attached to the cabinet when the built the speaker before putting everything inside, there is practically no space to reach to the terminals from the inside. They had to invent some kind of tools to take the terminal out and replace it.
I have an xpa-2 amp and omd28 speakers they work fine together in my 20'x18'x7' room my ears would give out before the amp or speakers.
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I have an xpa-2 amp and omd28 speakers they work fine together in my 20'x18'x7' room my ears would give out before the amp or speakers.
Is the XPA-2 your first amp for the OMD-28? Can you comment on the sound quality? Also, do you still need a sub with properly driven OMD-28?
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When I had my OMD-28's I used (2) Emotiva XPA-1 monoblocks, plenty of power. For 2 channel music you do not need a sub, for home theater that is a different story.
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Thanks for all comments. I found this old post on Emotive lounge detailing the power draw of OMD-28. Based on this an all the comments here, I think I will try to get a pair of used XPA-1s.

How about the OMD-C2? Would something like an XPA-3 (200 watts at 8 ohm, 330 watts at 4 ohm) be able to drive the C2 and 2 surround speakers fine?

Which leads to another question ... (sorry, I really have to many questions.) Currently, I am using a pair of OS3-FS as my surround speakers. They are from the OS3 home theater set that I used before I upgraded the two front and the center speakers to OMD-28s and OMD-C2. I still own the two OS3-Sat and OS3-CC, but they just sit in a cabinet collecting dust. I am thinking of replacing the OS3-FSs with a pair OMD-5 and sell my 5 pieces OS3 set. Will the OMD-5s work better as surround speakers for OMD-28 and OMD-C2?
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Thanks for all comments. I found this old post on Emotive lounge detailing the power draw of OMD-28. Based on this an all the comments here, I think I will try to get a pair of used XPA-1s.

How about the OMD-C2? Would something like an XPA-3 (200 watts at 8 ohm, 330 watts at 4 ohm) be able to drive the C2 and 2 surround speakers fine?

Which leads to another question ... (sorry, I really have to many questions.) Currently, I am using a pair of OS3-FS as my surround speakers. They are from the OS3 home theater set that I used before I upgraded the two front and the center speakers to OMD-28s and OMD-C2. I still own the two OS3-Sat and OS3-CC, but they just sit in a cabinet collecting dust. I am thinking of replacing the OS3-FSs with a pair OMD-5 and sell my 5 pieces OS3 set. Will the OMD-5s work better as surround speakers for OMD-28 and OMD-C2?
I used the XPA-3 to drive my C2 and surrounds, no problem. Went to the XPA-5 when I went with 4 OMD-5 surrounds and the C2, still not a problem. As for the surrounds you can use the OS3, surround duty is much less demanding.
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Thanks for all comments. I found this old post on Emotive lounge detailing the power draw of OMD-28. Based on this an all the comments here, I think I will try to get a pair of used XPA-1s.

How about the OMD-C2? Would something like an XPA-3 (200 watts at 8 ohm, 330 watts at 4 ohm) be able to drive the C2 and 2 surround speakers fine?

Which leads to another question ... (sorry, I really have to many questions.) Currently, I am using a pair of OS3-FS as my surround speakers. They are from the OS3 home theater set that I used before I upgraded the two front and the center speakers to OMD-28s and OMD-C2. I still own the two OS3-Sat and OS3-CC, but they just sit in a cabinet collecting dust. I am thinking of replacing the OS3-FSs with a pair OMD-5 and sell my 5 pieces OS3 set. Will the OMD-5s work better as surround speakers for OMD-28 and OMD-C2?
I was one of the posters in that Emotiva thread. Not long after that I got a pair of the OMD-28's and a pair of XPA-1L's myself. The OMD-28's love a lot of power; the XPA-1's drove them just fine. I also had a C2 center that I connected to an XPA-3. That was fine for the C2; I don't think you need anything else.

I used a sub with the OMD-28's mainly because the location in the room was lousy for bass due to the nodes. The speakers go very deep so in the right location you wouldn't need a sub for music but I'd recommend one for HT use. If you run the OMD-28's at full range most definitely they would appreciate something like the XPA-1L's. They make the LED meter lights on the front dance a lot.
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I used 4 OMD-5's as surrounds for awhile with OMD-28. Currently using 2 OMD-15's and 2 OMD-R's. When I get a 9 or 11 channel pre-pro I'll bring at least 2 OMD-5's back as high or wide. I'm using a Parasound HCA-2200 II to power the 28's, 220 watts into 8 ohms. 385 into 4 ohms, 90 amp peak current capacity, 60 lbs. It drives the 28's effortlessly.
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Nice to see a little activity on this thread.

I use the omd-5's for surrounds (powered from receiver), along with my 28's and c2 (powered by pair of xpa-1 and xpa-100). It's a thing of beauty.

For you guys rocking the 28's with the xpa-1. You mention you don't need a sub for music. Do you actually get the punch of bass when it hits? Or more so that you can hear it is getting that low?

When i run them as 'Full' sized i am not getting the punch of bass like i would expect from this set up. I hear it is getting that low, but i am not impressed with the impact. Perhaps my placement? Im only a foot off wall, and i am using the little isolation feet (the metal things screwed into the bottom).

I find myself setting the size back to Small with frequency cutoff at 80 hz so the sub rejoins the party. (or sometimes i hook up my xpa-2 in mono mode to a pair of 10" MTX's that i used to have in my car for a real punch)
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Nice to see a little activity on this thread.

I use the omd-5's for surrounds (powered from receiver), along with my 28's and c2 (powered by pair of xpa-1 and xpa-100). It's a thing of beauty.

For you guys rocking the 28's with the xpa-1. You mention you don't need a sub for music. Do you actually get the punch of bass when it hits? Or more so that you can hear it is getting that low?

When i run them as 'Full' sized i am not getting the punch of bass like i would expect from this set up. I hear it is getting that low, but i am not impressed with the impact. Perhaps my placement? Im only a foot off wall, and i am using the little isolation feet (the metal things screwed into the bottom).

I find myself setting the size back to Small with frequency cutoff at 80 hz so the sub rejoins the party. (or sometimes i hook up my xpa-2 in mono mode to a pair of 10" MTX's that i used to have in my car for a real punch)
My two cents - it doesn't surprise me that you aren't getting that "punch" you desire. Unless your 28's are placed in a location in your room that is also optimal for bass, you will not be taking full advantage of their dual 8" woofers. That is what happened when I owned them, which is why I used a separate sub even though I was driving mine with a pair of Emotiva XPA-1's. The location just was not a good one for bass frequencies.

Also, I would advise trying to move your 28's further away from the wall. 1 foot is pretty close and I would see how they sound taking them out a few feet further.
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I ended up buying an XPA-2 and XPA-3 to drive my Mirage, and a pair of OMD-R to replacement the OS3-FS as a surround. I could not afford a pair of new XPA-1 and did not find any used offering. But wow, they still sound so much better than my AVR. The clarity and dynamic are so much better, and those bass, wow.

Now, I am trying to find a better placement for the speakers. My room is very bad, and I do not think I can do much about it. I live in a tiny apartment, so I my couch have to be place on the back wall. The left wall is close but have a big glass windows covering half of the wall. The right wall is half open on the back wall side with a doorway opening on the back wall. The front speakers are place symmetrically from the front and the side wall, and the surrounds are put on the side of a couch at equal distances. But because there is no sidewall on the right, couple with a glass windows on the left, I ended up with too much reflection from the left and too little from the right. You can tell because the imaging is more thin on the left. Is there anything I can do like tilting or rotating the speakers, or using a room divider?
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I ended up buying an XPA-2 and XPA-3 to drive my Mirage, and a pair of OMD-R to replacement the OS3-FS as a surround. I could not afford a pair of new XPA-1 and did not find any used offering. But wow, they still sound so much better than my AVR. The clarity and dynamic are so much better, and those bass, wow.

Now, I am trying to find a better placement for the speakers. My room is very bad, and I do not think I can do much about it. I live in a tiny apartment, so I my couch have to be place on the back wall. The left wall is close but have a big glass windows covering half of the wall. The right wall is half open on the back wall side with a doorway opening on the back wall. The front speakers are place symmetrically from the front and the side wall, and the surrounds are put on the side of a couch at equal distances. But because there is no sidewall on the right, couple with a glass windows on the left, I ended up with too much reflection from the left and too little from the right. You can tell because the imaging is more thin on the left. Is there anything I can do like tilting or rotating the speakers, or using a room divider?
Holy crap, you placed ALL that gear into a tiny apartment? Your neighbors must despise you? I had a similar problem as you in my room. The right side is closer to the side wall than the left side. Plus, on the left side, the speaker faces a large opening on the left of the back wall. So, the side wall was supporting the right speaker, but the opening on the left side was draining the left speaker simultaneously. So, I added a second sub to support low end on the left side of the soundstage (placed right next to the front left speaker) and this dramatically improved the bass and overall *fullness* of the sound in the room. Not perfect, but getting better and better. My room really needs acoustic treatments. It's an acoustical nightmare. Try adding a second sub and see what happens.

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Another update. I eventually upgrade my Yamaha AVR to an Emotiva XMC-1. The XMC-1 with its balanced output connected to the XPA-2 and the XPA-3 tremendously improve the sound of the OMDs.

The most surprising thing, though, is how well the Dirac Live room correction work with the OMDs. With Dirac OFF, the two main OMD-28s sound spacious, smooth and organic with smooth and extended bass but the treble roll off quickly. With the Dirac ON, the sound is more forwarded and detailed, with better stereo imaging and focus, but still with a good amount of spaciousness. The bass has more punch but still well extended although Dirac does reroute some bass to the sub woofer (HSU VTF-2). The tonality is more "modern" - lacking some of the original organic quality - but not dry. It actually sounds a bit similar to my iFi Micro USB/DAC/AMP stack for my headphone, which I like.

In conclusion, the Dirac really do me wonder. I live in a small apartment with a ****ty floor plan, and there is not much I can do to treat the room. I have never heard the OMD-28s properly placed and a properly treated room, but I have no complain with what I have now.

Some plots from the Dirac software are attached.

P.S. Have anyone experience treble roll of with the OMD-28s like me?
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I don't know if this has been mentioned yet (I apologize if it has; I don't have time to read all the posts), but I love my Mirage Omni S10 subwoofer. That thing pumps out some serious clean bass and it's superbly musical. I was lucky to get it on sale for $200 earlier this year.

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Yes, I use Paradigm speakers and contacted Auro as I am moving to an Auro 3D setup. They said I should use the same brand all around. I got extremely lucky and found matching Paradigm Active 40's for my L-C-R and L-R surround. I will be able to move my 4 Active 20's to front and rear height channels. So the Omipolar speakers would be fantastic in a Mirage system but it was the timber match I needed according to Auro.
You can find some great deals on Mirage gear on Amazon if you go that route.
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Auro said I need to use the same brand all around so I didn;t get to try ot as I use Paradigm in my HT
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Does Woot still sell Mirage stuff from time to time?
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Have not seen it for the last 2, 3 months. they could be OOS

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Woot had been having sales every few weeks for awhile. I got OMD-28's from them that were def old stock but arrived in perfect condition (some were not so lucky). They claimed they could order new stock and evidently did get some new centers, I got one of the C-2's. However, it's been quite a few months since I've seen any postings on Woot and they don't seem to be following up with their promise to get more new stock manufactured.
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Woot had been having sales every few weeks for awhile. I got OMD-28's from them that were def old stock but arrived in perfect condition (some were not so lucky). They claimed they could order new stock and evidently did get some new centers, I got one of the C-2's. However, it's been quite a few months since I've seen any postings on Woot and they don't seem to be following up with their promise to get more new stock manufactured.
I ordered my sub from Amazon while the sale was on Woot in February (to avoid the $5 shipping charge). To my knowledge, that was one of the last if not the last sale I have seen. It's kind of unfortunate, since I would consider snagging another sub.

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Woot had been having sales every few weeks for awhile. I got OMD-28's from them that were def old stock but arrived in perfect condition (some were not so lucky). They claimed they could order new stock and evidently did get some new centers, I got one of the C-2's. However, it's been quite a few months since I've seen any postings on Woot and they don't seem to be following up with their promise to get more new stock manufactured.
They were all new stock

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I wonder why they stopped making these? I have OMD-5s and like them but maybe the omnipolar sound was never that popular? It would be nice if Woot could get a hold of some more new product.
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I wonder why they stopped making these? I have OMD-5s and like them but maybe the omnipolar sound was never that popular? It would be nice if Woot could get a hold of some more new product.
Their are other omni speaker makers. I have Mirage fs2 for surrounds and backs with Ohm 3000's for left and right. It works for me. Ohm has some specials right now you may want to check their web site to see if their is anything you like. Hope this helps.

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Their are other omni speaker makers. I have Mirage fs2 for surrounds and backs with Ohm 3000's for left and right. It works for me. Ohm has some specials right now you may want to check their web site to see if their is anything you like. Hope this helps.
I've never heard the current line of Ohm speakers but loved the original Ohm F way back in the late '70s. Those were ridiculously power hungry and hard to drive. The speakers could not be repaired either. The current line is way pricey compared to what Woot was selling the Mirages for.
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Hey guys, I have an ohms question I can't get an answer to for my yamaha rx a3050. I have some mirage os3 floors and surrounds which are rated at 4ohms minimum and 8ohms max. I just got a mirage OMD C1 center which is rated at 6ohms. Should I adjust the ohms on the yamaha to 6 or just leave it at 8?
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Hey guys, I have an ohms question I can't get an answer to for my yamaha rx a3050. I have some mirage os3 floors and surrounds which are rated at 4ohms minimum and 8ohms max. I just got a mirage OMD C1 center which is rated at 6ohms. Should I adjust the ohms on the yamaha to 6 or just leave it at 8?
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How to replace the grill sock of Mirage M3si?

I have a pair of Mirage M3si and a spare pair of new grill socks from Mirage. I would like to replace the original grill with the new one. How do I do this replacement? I cannot find any instruction online. Are there any former Mirage dealers out there who did this kind of work before? Thanks for your advice!
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I have a pair of Mirage M3si and a spare pair of new grill socks from Mirage. I would like to replace the original grill with the new one. How do I do this replacement? I cannot find any instruction online. Are there any former Mirage dealers out there who did this kind of work before? Thanks for your advice!
I see your question was answered in another thread but just be prepared for finding out that your midrange drivers are probably experiencing foam rot and will need to be re-foamed.

There are places that will do it or you can DIY.
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I have a full 7 channel OMD setup (2 OMD-28s, C2 & 4 OMD-Rs) and have started mulling plans for an Atmos upgrade. I'm planning to add 4 in-ceiling speakers for the height channels. My room is large - 26' x 18' with a vaulted ceiling peaking at 14', and a few openings to other rooms which can't be closed off. (Not a total open wall but a couple of 36" openings and another door that's tough to keep closed.)

Of course, the problem as all Mirage OMD owners know is there were no matching in-ceiling OMD speakers ever made. The closest Mirage came to that is the Omnican, but those are really tough to find for even a pair, much less 2 pair.

So the question is whether anyone has thoughts about a good match for OMDs in an in-ceiling speaker? Probably looking at roughly a $500/speaker budget.

I've seen some varying opinions about how important it is to closely match the height layer speakers with others. Hopefully that can be mitigated at least somewhat with a decent room EQ system like ARC or Audyssey. (I don't know what AVR or pre-pro I'll end up with. My watch list to evaluate includes the Anthem AVM60, Marantz 7702 or 8802a, Yamaha CX5100 or anything else that might be released to contend with those, or possibly the corresponding flagship AVR in those lines.)
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I have a full 7 channel OMD setup (2 OMD-28s, C2 & 4 OMD-Rs) and have started mulling plans for an Atmos upgrade. I'm planning to add 4 in-ceiling speakers for the height channels. My room is large - 26' x 18' with a vaulted ceiling peaking at 14', and a few openings to other rooms which can't be closed off. (Not a total open wall but a couple of 36" openings and another door that's tough to keep closed.)

Of course, the problem as all Mirage OMD owners know is there were no matching in-ceiling OMD speakers ever made. The closest Mirage came to that is the Omnican, but those are really tough to find for even a pair, much less 2 pair.

So the question is whether anyone has thoughts about a good match for OMDs in an in-ceiling speaker? Probably looking at roughly a $500/speaker budget.

I've seen some varying opinions about how important it is to closely match the height layer speakers with others. Hopefully that can be mitigated at least somewhat with a decent room EQ system like ARC or Audyssey. (I don't know what AVR or pre-pro I'll end up with. My watch list to evaluate includes the Anthem AVM60, Marantz 7702 or 8802a, Yamaha CX5100 or anything else that might be released to contend with those, or possibly the corresponding flagship AVR in those lines.)
Definitive Technology is the closest I can think of that fits your budget and would be reasonably close in sound signature.
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