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I got a local shop to do 500 for the Pro cinema 600 set. I will sell the Pro sub and center unless I find a performance improvement by integrating the pro sub next to my seat and I am going to run a HPF and LPF via a channel on my mini dsp. Prob like 40hz to whatever I think is good. I already get ridiculous bass performance with dual Seaton Submersives. My thinking was to try and use it like the HSU MBM is used for. Anyway the key is the 4 Pro Monitor 600's. I have owned the 1000's and they were great big little satellites. The 600's will be very small and discrete but yet offer the surround effects to pan out to the wide positions and the height positions. I will then get either 800's or 1000's to run as back surrounds down the road. My Denon 4520 only amplifies 9 channels so I will need a 2 channel amp with those.

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Ya, the whole "how important are heightpspeakers" are what raised the question in my mind in the first place, so I may just have to experiment after all, hell I just moved, not like I don't have a few spare boxes lying around...lol.

As far as the Bi-Amping is concerned I've done some reading and understand the crossover thinking and am pretty comfortable with the factory tech, that was why I posed the question in this thread instead of somewhere else, (prob. should have explained things a little better) I should have said I was more over looking for other 2000 users impressions of the difference in putting the extra power to the separate drivers, highs/mids, since the original 2000's are notoriously power hungry and supposedly fuller and richer when fed that way, and if they thought that difference may add extra depth there instead of just adding extra sound up higher in the soundstage.

As far as the front 3, I'm running the full range pre-amp outs to the low level input for the 3 powered subs, not LFE, I'm letting the 1500's do that lifting.

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So, I did some experimenting over the weekend and heights it is, but I'm not going to use the SR8080bp's (prob. gonna just sell them) as I was putting things away I found my original surrounds from about twenty years ago, some BP-2's, (my first Def's were my BP-10's the BP-2's and my Powerfield 1500) I swapped them around for my center over the weekend just to put them through their paces and they're working perfectly, plus I like the idea of the 5 1/4" drivers more than the 4 1/2's in the 8080's, so those are my heights, and I won't need wides with the 2000's up front and the way their positioned. (Final positioning for most pleasing sound ended up being, subs in the rear, 180° out of phase, fronts 48° of center, aimed at the listeners, with the subs facing out and about 42"of the side walls) Now I absolutely don't regret going overboard early on when I really didn't have the room for everything, because now, even in a room this size the sound isn't only enveloping, it's extremely visceral.

Now, new question, new room, strictly music, 14 x 16 room with 2 large, open, doorways.
I'm using a 35w tube amp, (yaqin, nothing fancy) and CD's, as much as I would like to go big I just can't work it into the budget right now, so... no sub, just two speakers in stereo, I have the option of another pair of original BP-10's (not b's) or a pair of StudioMonitor 65's, what do you guys think? Or maybe something else, as long as it's D.T. and under our near the $800.00 mark.
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So gentlemen I am officially back to being a DT owner. I had sold my first system of 8060 LR, 8040 center, 8040 surrounds, and PM 1000's. I picked up a pro cinema 600 set and have installed the monitors at the height and wide positions. I have a couple side surrounds I built from the DIY sound group. Volt 10's and great speakers. Anyway I am going to install the Pro cinema 600 center as a single rear surround. I could do two speakers back there but only like 1.5 ft apart. So the one.

Anyway I have the Pro sub I am going to sell. What is a good price for the sub from the pro sub 600 set? I also ended up with a bunch of little swivel mounts for tiny speakers too if needed.

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Now, new question, new room, strictly music, 14 x 16 room with 2 large, open, doorways.
I'm using a 35w tube amp, (yaqin, nothing fancy) and CD's, as much as I would like to go big I just can't work it into the budget right now, so... no sub, just two speakers in stereo, I have the option of another pair of original BP-10's (not b's) or a pair of StudioMonitor 65's, what do you guys think? Or maybe something else, as long as it's D.T. and under our near the $800.00 mark.
If you want bipolar, you can get BP30s or BP2000s for that price. If you already have the BP10s or SM65s, I'd probably just use those, or at least try them.

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If you want bipolar, you can get BP30s or BP2000s for that price. If you already have the BP10s or SM65s, I'd probably just use those, or at least try them.
I thought about another pair of 2000's but didn't know if this amp (Yaqin MC-100B) would be the best fit for them musically, as far as bi-polar or not, i really hadn't considered it to be a determining factor, the only reason I was interested in opinions between the SM-65's and the BP-10's is because I have the opportunity to pick up either/or used, both at a decent price (about + $200 on the 65's) and was hoping I could get some input on the difference in musicality between the two. But also wanted to stay open to other options since whatever I choose would be an addition, not a swap.

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So gentlemen I am officially back to being a DT owner. I had sold my first system of 8060 LR, 8040 center, 8040 surrounds, and PM 1000's. I picked up a pro cinema 600 set and have installed the monitors at the height and wide positions. I have a couple side surrounds I built from the DIY sound group. Volt 10's and great speakers. Anyway I am going to install the Pro cinema 600 center as a single rear surround. I could do two speakers back there but only like 1.5 ft apart. So the one.

Anyway I have the Pro sub I am going to sell. What is a good price for the sub from the pro sub 600 set? I also ended up with a bunch of little swivel mounts for tiny speakers too if needed.
What are you using for mains? Volt 10? 600 seems like a big downgrade.
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What are you using for mains? Volt 10? 600 seems like a big downgrade.
I have Left/Right JTR Triple 8 HT, Center is JTR Triple 8 LP, two main side surrounds are DIY Sound Groups Volt 10's. So I added these little guys in at the wide and height positions so far. Certainly adds a bitt. Perhaps better if better speaker but then again this is the only way I can have them there. That is small and stealth like

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How many of you guys are running the studiomonitor series in a HT application? I'm trying to compare these directly to the Emptek speakers..

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How many of you guys are running the studiomonitor series in a HT application? I'm trying to compare these directly to the Emptek speakers..
*raises hand* I'm using the SM65's in the front and the SM55's in the rear. My center is the Mythos 8. My wife and I watch 3-6 movies a week and lots of HD 5.1 TV (Game of Thrones, True Blood, etc...), and I also use them to play concert bluray's and FLAC music files. They sound fantastic doing it all.

My previous speaker experience includes Magnaplanar, Martin Logan, Andy Jones Pioneer's, and B&W. I'd take these over any of them. The only thing I have that sounds better are my Morel / Dynaudio components in my car.

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How many of you guys are running the studiomonitor series in a HT application? I'm trying to compare these directly to the Emptek speakers..
My set up has the SM65s for L/R with an 8040HD center. Its a perfect combination IMO. The SM65s sound amazing and work really well for movies. I also use the set up to listen to music. The SM65s produce the most pristine and pure sound I have ever heard from a speaker. I got mine from bajawaverunner and they work perfectly. Saved me almost 50% off msrp.
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Ditto on both the above, if I didn't have what I do the SM65's would be my absolute first choice for fronts, plus great for stereo when you just want to listen that way, I've basically decided to go with them for my living room over another pair of bp-10's.
And also as mentioned above, the baja referbs have a really good track record, esp. for the price.
(ended up picking up a pair of SM45's from an individual that ended up costing me $50.00 more when it was all said and done, than what baja has then for....da**it, timing is everything...lol)

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Can you link to Baja eBay page?
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Just search bajawaverunner, their products will come up in "related items".
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Would using DefTech UIW65 ( TM ) or UIW75 ( MTM ) ceiling-mounted for Dolby Atmos be a good idea?

I plan to build a box around these, using the joists for the sides and 3/4" MDF for the rest, in the attic since they are not enclosed. I'll probably use additional sheets of 1/4" MDF to reinforce the back side of the drywall and to adjust the cabinet volume as needed. My ceiling is stepped/vaulted so the joists run in such a way that the ceiling speakers can mirror the front speakers and be parallel to the floor

The existing setup consists of DefTech BP7000SC, C/L/R 3000, JBL L7 powered by Emotiva XPR-5 and DefTech BPZ/A and SM55 powered by the AVR. I also have a pair of EoSone RSR 350 from my old 5.x setup that I never took down and are still wired as Surround B.

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What should a sub from the pro cinema 600 set sell for?

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What should a sub from the pro cinema 600 set sell for?
Well, Monoprice's "Premium Home Theater Subwoofer," which comes from their system that compares favorably to the Take Classic (a system often compared to the ProCinema 600), can b purchased separately, new, for under $140. You can by a refurbed PC600 system from Baja for a price aboyt $100 more than the cost of the Take-clone system from Monoprice.

So I'd suggest the neighborhood of $100 for a used PC600 sub would be a place to start.

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Would using DefTech UIW65 ( TM ) or UIW75 ( MTM ) ceiling-mounted for Dolby Atmos be a good idea?

I plan to build a box around these, using the joists for the sides and 3/4" MDF for the rest, in the attic since they are not enclosed. I'll probably use additional sheets of 1/4" MDF to reinforce the back side of the drywall and to adjust the cabinet volume as needed. My ceiling is stepped/vaulted so the joists run in such a way that the ceiling speakers can mirror the front speakers and be parallel to the floor

The existing setup consists of DefTech BP7000SC, C/L/R 3000, JBL L7 powered by Emotiva XPR-5 and DefTech BPZ/A and SM55 powered by the AVR. I also have a pair of EoSone RSR 350 from my old 5.x setup that I never took down and are still wired as Surround B.

Do you need that much for the ATMOS? If I do it, I plan on using the DI.4.5 or 5.5. Also, round speakers make lining them up much easier. I don't know if it will be that much better, it would just give me an excuse to upgrade to the Denon X5200.

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I just ordered a pair of the Studio Monitor 450s. They should be here next week, looking forward to seeing what they can do.

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Do you need that much for the ATMOS? If I do it, I plan on using the DI.4.5 or 5.5. Also, round speakers make lining them up much easier. I don't know if it will be that much better, it would just give me an excuse to upgrade to the Denon X5200.
I probably don't need that much speaker, but I was thinking more on the line that the UIW series have the same drivers as my 7000SC and CLR3000. I'd like to stick with all 6.5" mids as well. I'm going to shoot for the X7200 and hope it will be a decent replacement for the Denon 5308ci. Adding another amp won't be a problem since I have 4 dedicated 20 amp circuits and Emotiva is just an hour's drive away. Just wish they'd hurry up with the XPR-7.

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Well, Monoprice's "Premium Home Theater Subwoofer," which comes from their system that compares favorably to the Take Classic (a system often compared to the ProCinema 600), can b purchased separately, new, for under $140. You can by a refurbed PC600 system from Baja for a price aboyt $100 more than the cost of the Take-clone system from Monoprice.

So I'd suggest the neighborhood of $100 for a used PC600 sub would be a place to start.
Okay thats what I figured to do. I guesss technically it is used since I took it out of the box

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I probably don't need that much speaker, but I was thinking more on the line that the UIW series have the same drivers as my 7000SC and CLR3000. I'd like to stick with all 6.5" mids as well. I'm going to shoot for the X7200 and hope it will be a decent replacement for the Denon 5308ci. Adding another amp won't be a problem since I have 4 dedicated 20 amp circuits and Emotiva is just an hour's drive away. Just wish they'd hurry up with the XPR-7.


I understand, you still have two other choice for 6.5 drivers


http://www.definitivetech.com/products/uiw-64-a


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Hello,

I just got a pair of definitive technology bp8 speakers to use as mains in my home theater.My question to all def tech owners is what def tech centers match well with the bp8. This is my first time having def techs and any insight from experienced owners is much appreciated.
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I just got a pair of definitive technology bp8 speakers to use as mains in my home theater.My question to all def tech owners is what def tech centers match well with the bp8. This is my first time having def techs and any insight from experienced owners is much appreciated.
Personally, I would look for a good used CLR2000 or 3000 even though they have the larger drivers. They are excellent centers and will blend nicely with your BP8's. You won't be disappointed!
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Personally, I would look for a good used CLR2000 or 3000 even though they have the larger drivers. They are excellent centers and will blend nicely with your BP8's. You won't be disappointed!

I agree with that, but if you can't find one and want matching drivers the 2500 will work.

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Thanks for all the valuable input.Would a procenter 1000-2000 work with my bp8's.
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Thanks for all the valuable input.Would a procenter 1000-2000 work with my bp8's.


Def Tech will tell you pretty much any of their CCs timber match any of their other speakers. I would completely avoid the 1000, very small and small = small sound. The 2000 would be OK, but unless you have space issues I wouldn't settle for anything less than a used 2002.


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Def Tech will tell you pretty much any of their CCs timber match any of their other speakers. I would completely avoid the 1000, very small and small = small sound. The 2000 would be OK, but unless you have space issues I wouldn't settle for anything less than a used 2002.


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I would also stay away from the smaller pro centers. The center channel is the most important speaker in a Home Theater setup IMO. I have had the CLR2002 and CLR2300 and I can tell you that there is a big step up when you find a CLR2000 and I imagine a CLR3000(have not heard one but if I find a used one at a good price it's mine). You can find them used and yes they are big but they have an incredible richness that the 2002 and 2300 lacked. My 80 year old parents had a pro center for a short time until they heard my center. I found them a used CLR2000 and they love it as well. Just sayin'
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So I'm new to speaker shopping and I made the mistake of demoing the mythos sts - they are spectacular but well over my budget. So I was planning on buying the Def Tech 8020 or 8040 for my entertainment room which is 13x30ft with two tiers of seating about 12 and 15 ftt back. There's decent echo in the room. It will be for watching movies. Then I came across the BP series and it seems the BP8 is incredibly inexpensive and even cheaper than the BP6. Is there something wrong with it or would it be a good option for a a home movie theater? I do have a velodyne f1500 sub but I was thinking I could still use speakers with build in sub (ie the 8020/40 series). the fronts will be a part of a 7.1 speaker and the others will be purchased once i know which fronts i'm buying. Any thoughts/recommendations? I know this is the Def tech owners thread but I'm also about to demo the martin logan motion 20 and 40's this weekend.

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So I'm new to speaker shopping and I made the mistake of demoing the mythos sts - they are spectacular but well over my budget. So I was planning on buying the Def Tech 8020 or 8040 for my entertainment room which is 13x30ft with two tiers of seating about 12 and 15 ftt back. There's a lot of echo in the room. It will be for watching movies. Then I came across the BP series and it seems the BP8 is incredibly inexpensive and even cheaper than the BP6. Is there something wrong with it or would it be a good option for a a home movie theater? I do have a velodyne f1500 sub but I was thinking I could still use speakers with build in sub (ie the 8020/40 series). Any thoughts/recommendations? I know this is the Def tech owners thread but I'm also about to demo the martin logan motion 20 and 40's this weekend.


The older BPs are good and a great bang for the buck. If you are looking at the 20s or 40s I would get the 8s and save the cash for a CLR 2500. Plus if you have echo you need to look at acoustic panels.

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