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8080s have newer drivers and imo better mids and highs but dont pack the same punch as the SC subs did in the 7000s. I ended p with the 8080's because they discontinued the 7000s a day before iplaced my order. They coudlnt filll the order by 1 speaker! needless to say iw as pissed and did not have hihg expectation but i am very happy with the 8080s and actually prefer the better mids and high because like others have said the subs wont really pressurize a room so i intent to add as set of svs subs anywa.
I think the highs on the BP7000SC are very nice. Seems like the mids lack a little in the mid bass but this also helps produce a clearer sound. I just added a mbm which helped with this.
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I'm looking at getting a deftec setup soon. After reading the last 150 or so pages I'm wondering what is wrong with the SM55s? Everyone seems to highly recommend the 45s and 65s but not the 55s. Because of my narrow room 9'9" whatever speakers I get will have to go under the screen, but I'll build an angled stand to get them as high and pointing the right direction.

For surrounds what is the difference sound wise between mounted SM45s and wall mounted SR-8040PBs since they are about the same price?

Thanks
For serious sound I'd stay away from wall mounted speakers (boundary issues). Use the same speaker all around if you can. I think the SM45 55 sound very similar. Perhaps the SM55 can play lower bass, but why not just get a subwoofer and cross the bookshelf over at 80hz?
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For serious sound I'd stay away from wall mounted speakers (boundary issues). Use the same speaker all around if you can. I think the SM45 55 sound very similar. Perhaps the SM55 can play lower bass, but why not just get a subwoofer and cross the bookshelf over at 80hz?
I'm planning on having a sub, probably the HSU STF-2. Just wondering why people seemed not to recommend the SM-55s.

The SM-65s are within my budget, but the size is a little imposing. I'd assume the SM-45s would make good surrounds since they have the same tweeter and driver as the 65s.
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With the announcement of Dolby Atmos System, I would like to know what other owners of Definitive Technology high end speakers are going planning to do.
What is Definitive planning to offer to existing systems. Special AVR firmware & ceiling speakers will be required. What do you plan to do?
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http://www.electronichouse.com/artic...60st_speakers/

For anyone interested....

Recently talked with def tech support and for those looking to upgrade to dolby atmos systems soon, the A60 speaker module as mentioned in above article wil be compatible with the 8040,8060 and 8080 form wha tive been told. It will be sized to the 8060 for perfect fit to replace the top plastic peice but will still sit the same on 8040 and 8080 on the pegs. 8040 will be a little biger, 8080 will be a little smaller is all. But it will fit iwth all of their latest generation of speakers. So for those of us who rent and cant do ceiling speakers. Dont fret your atmos system will come soon enough!
Interesting. I'm assuming this would require an additional stereo amplifier or an AVR with the extra channels?
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wow i guess you're right. 7000sc's have an 1800watt built in sub vs the 8080st's 455watt. plus 4 midrange drivers @ 6.5" ea....20-1kwatt / channel. boom. pow. haha. I'm guessing my little denon x1000 would struggle with these...even if they are rated at 8ohm/down to 20watts; how tempting though. I get easily distracted by big numbers and things that are loud lol.

Thank you for the info.
Your Denon would do just fine. The 7000/7001's are pretty incredible speakers. If you can find some nice used ones, you won't regret it I have the 7001's with a CLR2000 and BPVX's in the rear. Incredible soundstage.
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Interesting. I'm assuming this would require an additional stereo amplifier or an AVR with the extra channels?
Nope, the new atmos receivers have a dedicated height channel. Its more about the processing than the power supply. Take a look at the Pioneer SC-85/87/89
LowellG's Avatar LowellG
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With the announcement of Dolby Atmos System, I would like to know what other owners of Definitive Technology high end speakers are going planning to do.
What is Definitive planning to offer to existing systems. Special AVR firmware & ceiling speakers will be required. What do you plan to do?

If I do go that route I will add 4 DI4.5R or 5.5R in ceiling speakers. I don't know if it's worth it cost and sound. I just added more acoustic control to my theater and tweaked it again. I just can't imagine it sounding much more immersive. The speaker upgrade is the cheap part. It's the Denon 5200 that concerns on the bang for buck scale of Atmos.
LowellG's Avatar LowellG
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I'm planning on having a sub, probably the HSU STF-2. Just wondering why people seemed not to recommend the SM-55s.

The SM-65s are within my budget, but the size is a little imposing. I'd assume the SM-45s would make good surrounds since they have the same tweeter and driver as the 65s.
I listened to the 55s when I bought my 65s. Had I known I was going to end up with 2 PSA XS30s, I probably would have bought the 45s because the 65s sound great crossed over at 100Hz. I use the subs for speaker stands. If you want to see the pics, click my link.


Forgot to say, the 55s did sound great. They had just a little better mid detail.
Terrell78's Avatar Terrell78
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I listened to the 55s when I bought my 65s. Had I known I was going to end up with 2 PSA XS30s, I probably would have bought the 45s because the 65s sound great crossed over at 100Hz. I use the subs for speaker stands. If you want to see the pics, click my link.


Forgot to say, the 55s did sound great. They had just a little better mid detail.
I've seen the pics of your theater before, it looks great. Wish I had a little more width to put the speakers on the sides of the screen.

Are you saying that the 45s and 55s sounded better to you than the 65s even thought you bought the 65s?
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Guys, I have a pair of BP70001SC that are less than a year old and an L/C/R-3000 that I’m considering selling. If anyone is in the market!
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With the announcement of Dolby Atmos System, I would like to know what other owners of Definitive Technology high end speakers are going planning to do.
What is Definitive planning to offer to existing systems. Special AVR firmware & ceiling speakers will be required. What do you plan to do?
I plan on Pioneer SC-55 --->Pioneer Sc-85 and adding in their A60 atmos module for BP80xxST since i rent and cant put speakrs in ceiling.
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What would be a good price for Def Tec SM450 (studio monitors) - theres someone locally looking to sell a pair for $325 Canadian - i wonder if they'll offer much more performance over my current Energy Veritas Minis

I also use an SVS PB1000 sub crossed over at 100hz
LowellG's Avatar LowellG
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I've seen the pics of your theater before, it looks great. Wish I had a little more width to put the speakers on the sides of the screen.

Are you saying that the 45s and 55s sounded better to you than the 65s even thought you bought the 65s?

No, to clarify, the 65s had better mid range sound, but I didn't listen to the 45s. They only had the 55s and 65s side by side. They would flip back and forth. Very little difference, but I could tell without looking which was which. If money or space is an issue, get the 55s. If you think you will end up with dual subs, get the 45s.
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No, to clarify, the 65s had better mid range sound, but I didn't listen to the 45s. They only had the 55s and 65s side by side. They would flip back and forth. Very little difference, but I could tell without looking which was which. If money or space is an issue, get the 55s. If you think you will end up with dual subs, get the 45s.

I thought the 45 and 55 sounds very similar at normal listening levels. Didn't crank them beyond moderate volume levels. I still prefer the mids in the 8060 towers though, they are more forward and the bookshelves mids sound a little more laid back. Seems to make a difference with rock music.
LowellG's Avatar LowellG
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I thought the 45 and 55 sounds very similar at normal listening levels. Didn't crank them beyond moderate volume levels. I still prefer the mids in the 8060 towers though, they are more forward and the bookshelves mids sound a little more laid back. Seems to make a difference with rock music.
That's probably because they have the MTM arrangement like the 65s.
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Picked up a C/L/R 3000 off E-Bay, got it this afternoon, now I see why there a little hard to find and why the people who have them don't want to part with them.
Awesome sound and clarity, actually had to re-adjust the levels across the front quite allot to get everything to match back up, this things got some real punch to it, as much as I loved my 2300, this is definitely an upgrade. I can easily see why using 3 of these for an entire front section would just kill!

Putting my C/L/R 2300 up in the classifieds.
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Picked up a C/L/R 3000 off E-Bay, got it this afternoon, now I see why there a little hard to find and why the people who have them don't want to part with them.
Awesome sound and clarity, actually had to re-adjust the levels across the front quite allot to get everything to match back up, this things got some real punch to it, as much as I loved my 2300, this is definitely an upgrade. I can easily see why using 3 of these for an entire front section would just kill!

Putting my C/L/R 2300 up in the classifieds.

I am sure that's a significant upgrade from the 2300. I would have to get a new CC stand to put a 3000 in. I would love BamaDaves 7001s and 3000, but I just think they would be to much for my theater.
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Which would be a better center for my bp8, a cs8040 or a clr2300. In the future I will be getting bp8040 or bp8060 for my mainns but that would be in the future.

Thaks
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Which would be a better center for my bp8, a cs8040 or a clr2300. In the future I will be getting bp8040 or bp8060 for my mainns but that would be in the future.

Thaks

If you are going to get the 8060s in the future I would try and get the 8060 CS, otherwise the 8040 will have the matching drivers. In the present I would say the 2300 is a better match.
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LowellG,

I can also get a clr2002 for a good price on ebay.Would you choose clr2300 over clr2002 to match with my bp8.
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Come on you know you want them! Beside when you come pick them up I'll take you for a thrill ride in my APU MkIV and you'll be looking to upgrade your ride as well!


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I am sure that's a significant upgrade from the 2300. I would have to get a new CC stand to put a 3000 in. I would love BamaDaves 7001s and 3000, but I just think they would be to much for my theater.

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I am sure that's a significant upgrade from the 2300. I would have to get a new CC stand to put a 3000 in. I would love BamaDaves 7001s and 3000, but I just think they would be to much for my theater.
"Too Much"...

What are these words your sayin'?...

My brain just hears noise....

:-)


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LowellG,

I can also get a clr2002 for a good price on ebay.Would you choose clr2300 over clr2002 to match with my bp8.
IMO, it really would depend on your upgrade for the fronts.
With the bp8's it would be a toss up, while the CLR2002 would be a better driver match the powered sub in the CLR2300 absolutely makes up the difference, and then some.
But with the 8060 or 8040 (esp. 8060) the CLR2300 would be the far better choice. (or of course the matching CS80xx)
BTW, the 8060 + 2300 front and bp8 surround combo would absolutely not disappoint!
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Come on you know you want them! Beside when you come pick them up I'll take you for a thrill ride in my APU MkIV and you'll be looking to upgrade your ride as well!


I am already spinning my tires to much. I don't know what I would do with that much HP.


If you live near San Antonio I would come do both though.
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LowellG,

I can also get a clr2002 for a good price on ebay.Would you choose clr2300 over clr2002 to match with my bp8.


I tested the 2002 when I bought my first 2300. The 2300 is just better, clearer, deeper bass. I still would cross it over at 40 though. If you have room to put nothing over the top of the 2300, get it or an 8060. If you can't let it breath, get the 2002 and 8040 in that order. Size matters.


Here is a pic of the 2300 vs 8080.
Attached: 8080 vs 2300.JPG (714.5 KB) 
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I am already spinning my tires to much. I don't know what I would do with that much HP.



625 WHP and she's in the shop for some additional upgrades and another dyno session. I'm running drag radials and Racelogic to help matters!



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OK, I am 99% sure I know the answer to this question, but I need make sure. In the never ending nagging desire to upgrade. I am thinking about trading the SM65 for BP8080STs. Here is my problem. If I bring the 8080s in my main HT and set them to large with my 2 PSA XS30s, and my 8080 CS is crossed at 60Hz, won't I only be getting the benefit of 60Hz and below out of the XS30s. Right now they are crossed at 100Hz with the SM 65s and 60 with the CC.


I am looking for just a little more chest thump without the whole theater being louder.
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OK, I am 99% sure I know the answer to this question, but I need make sure. In the never ending nagging desire to upgrade. I am thinking about trading the SM65 for BP8080STs. Here is my problem. If I bring the 8080s in my main HT and set them to large with my 2 PSA XS30s, and my 8080 CS is crossed at 60Hz, won't I only be getting the benefit of 60Hz and below out of the XS30s. Right now they are crossed at 100Hz with the SM 65s and 60 with the CC.


I am looking for just a little more chest thump without the whole theater being louder.
That shouldn't happen as long as your receiver has a sub setting for +, the + setting allows for the fronts and others, to be set as low as you like without it cutting off or interfering with the LFE output.

Because of my combination everything is set to larger except the heights.
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That shouldn't happen as long as your receiver has a sub setting for +, the + setting allows for the fronts and others, to be set as low as you like without it cutting off or interfering with the LFE output.

Because of my combination everything is set to larger except the heights.

It's a Denon X4000. It sound louder with the mains crossed at 100 vs 60 or 40. I was assuming that was because the sub let the mains handle anything above their crossover setting.
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It's a Denon X4000. It sound louder with the mains crossed at 100 vs 60 or 40. I was assuming that was because the sub let the mains handle anything above their crossover setting.
I did a quick read of your manual, it says that as long as your set to LFE + , you should have complete control and shouldn't be an issue when a speaker is set to larger.
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