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So, finally got around to wiring the bedroom, considering what I'm used to is not bad at all:
HK AVR-347
4x ProCinema 100's
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100TL sub
Still needs a little more tweaking but it fills the 16x14 space nicely.

Also, as I said in the "what do you have" thread, GF thought the BP-20's were too big for the living room, so put those in the surround position, moved those BP-10's up for wides, even though it's overkill it actually works out really well since the room is so big (just under 6000 cu/ft). Finally had some time to put everything through its paces also, "Getaway" with the wides, then "Gravity" with the heights, and yes the heights do really make a difference, more so than the wides, but i attribute allot of that to the sound staging of the 2000's, and considering the size of the room and the 9.6" ceilings, but I truly could see where in a smaller room they may not have as great of an effect. But no matter what, I think the effort and extra expense was well worth it, if nothing more than to have the option of using either of them.

Something else that I keep forgetting, a far as heights speakers go, I can see how the heights could be more of a benefit for my setup as opposed to others, since my surrounds and rears are floor standing instead of on wall.
I'm contemplating building some 12-15" pedestals for the surrounds and rears just to see if it makes much of a difference as far as "room fill" is concerned.

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Ordered Promonitor/Procenter 1000 for L/C/R, need in-ceiling for rears. Suggestions?

My room is roughly 15 x 17 and I have already purchased the following:

Samsung PN60F8500 Plasma TV.
Xenon AVR-2000 Receiver.
Sony BDP-S6200 Blu-Ray.
2 Promonitor 1000 White Speakers L/R.
1 Procenter 1000 White Speaker Center.
I have an older subwoofer already.

The only thing left that I need are 2 in-ceiling speakers for the surround sound system.
I am clueless on what to get and would appreciate your input.

Suggestions? What size & brand? Where to buy?

Thanks in advance

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Well, if you want to stay with DefTech, and are only doing 5.1, I would use the UIW BP/A, matching 5.25" drivers, and better sound dispersion than a single driver speaker.
At least that would be my first choice for an in-wall/ceiling speaker, without breaking the bank.

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My room is roughly 15 x 17 and I have already purchased the following:

Samsung PN60F8500 Plasma TV.
Xenon AVR-2000 Receiver.
Sony BDP-S6200 Blu-Ray.
2 Promonitor 1000 White Speakers L/R.
1 Procenter 1000 White Speaker Center.
I have an older subwoofer already.

The only thing left that I need are 2 in-ceiling speakers for the surround sound system.
I am clueless on what to get and would appreciate your input.

Suggestions? What size & brand? Where to buy?

Thanks in advance

Anthony
The PC2000 is a better match to the PM1000s. Can you swap the PC1000 for the PC2000? The naming convention DT used for the series is silly...

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New Def Tech Owner

I recently bought a set of Def Tech speakers before I found this thread. I've really learned a lot after reading over 100 pages. I wish I had found it before I made my purchase but I think what I have will do nicely.

I'm moving soon so I haven't set it up yet but this is what I have:

4 BP10b's
1 CS-8040HD
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2 SuperCube 8000's

I'll be running it all through a Pioneer SC-1223-K.

I'm still searching for a place but my mainly I looking for a place with a nice room for my home theater set up, and an awesome shower that's in my price range.

I know I'm going about this backwards but I'm upgrading from a Logitech 5.1 system so I'm sure I won't be disappointed in the sound.

What would be the minimum room size for this setup.

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With that setup I wouldn't worry about minimum, minimum is easy to control simply with volume and crossover tweaks, I ran my 2000's, 2300 & 10's in a 12x11 room for years.
As far as max, you're covered pretty well there also, having the 2 subs will be a real benefit in the "large room" scenario, subs are a huge factor in larger rooms, and you can always add more with simple Y connections.
With that setup, I would guess your probably good even up to 400-500 sq/ft, and with that receiver, in a large room, adding another pair of sr-8040's for heights would add just "that much more"in the "fill" department.
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Are studiomonitor 350s overkill with a ProCenter 2000? They both have 5.25" drivers but not sure if same type and would timbre match. I don't want to replace my center and was going to upgrade to sm45s (which is probably a better match) but the price of the sm350s is tempting. I do value 2 channel music as well so maybe the added bass would come handy. But still 80% will be for movies. I also have the PSW505 sub.
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Are studiomonitor 350s overkill with a ProCenter 2000? They both have 5.25" drivers but not sure if same type and would timbre match. I don't want to replace my center and was going to upgrade to sm45s (which is probably a better match) but the price of the sm350s is tempting. I do value 2 channel music as well so maybe the added bass would come handy. But still 80% will be for movies. I also have the PSW505 sub.
Personally I think you'd be fine either way, the side radiators on the PC-2000 give it a decent range as far as matching with fronts, it would probably even be "ok" with some 450's or 55's, but your choices should be good.
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Having side radiators makes sense, and got me thinking that the sm350s has them as well so it may be just as seemless a match as the PM1000s.

But I gotta ask are the sm350s truly a downgrade from the sm45s? I know the sm45s are the preplacement but still conficted if it's worth twice as much. Looking at the specs.. it has quite a frequency range which IMO don't see how the new studios can be that much better but living in the boonies means it isn't as easy for me to audition these things. I don't want them if it's gonna sound to bright / give me listening fatigue and wasn't sure how accurate this applies to the sm350. I need something comfortable like the PM1000s to watch tv/movies for hours.

The bottom line.. if the sm350s are going to give me even a small upgrade from the PM1000s then I can't ask for anything more at that price, but if there's an obvious difference with the sm45s then I may reconsider. I have the Onkyo NR-616 so it's like 50 actual watts to each channel and was hoping that would be enough to power it. I don't listen at reference levels all the time and will have it crossed over at the recommded 60hz so the sub can take over from there? Is my reciever enough and/or would it sound better with the sm45s or would you stick to your suggestion and recommend both? If that's the case I'm pulling the trigger.

I appreciate your help.

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My three SM65s and two XTR-20BPs came today. Now to get the wires made up and everything plugged in.

How much break in do the monitors need before they sound their best?
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Are studiomonitor 350s overkill with a ProCenter 2000? They both have 5.25" drivers but not sure if same type and would timbre match. I don't want to replace my center and was going to upgrade to sm45s (which is probably a better match) but the price of the sm350s is tempting. I do value 2 channel music as well so maybe the added bass would come handy. But still 80% will be for movies. I also have the PSW505 sub.
The 350s and the 1000s are quite similar to one another. The 350s might have a bit more low end, and the 1000s might be a little smoother up top, but the differences are subtle because they both have the same voicing. I have a PC2000 and have used it with three different DT mains -- PM1000, SM350, and BP8b. All of these are built around some version of DT's 5.25" midrange/bass driver and their 1" aluminum dome tweeter, and IMO all of them match up well (even if the PM1000/PC2000 has an edge).

IMO there is no advantage to the 350 over the 1000 if you are using a separate sub. Standing alone, for 2-channel music, I prefer the 350s. Indeed, I moved mine to the bedroom for a music-only system there, replacing them with the BP8b, which is basically a bipolar tower using the same drivers as the 350.

But in a system with a sub or two, I wouldn't hesitate to mix and match the SM350 (a fabulous bargain recently at NewEgg at $150 for a pair!) with the PM1000/PC2000 in a surround system. I'm currently using my four PM1000s as surrounds with the BP8b mains and the PC2000, and in my small room it all sounds great.

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Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated!
Since I'm using the BP10B's for rears. I was
thinking of using the 2 SR-8040BP's that I
have now for heights. I'm just not sure how
I can securely and safely hang them.

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My three SM65s and two XTR-20BPs came today. Now to get the wires made up and everything plugged in.

How much break in do the monitors need before they sound their best?
Probably depends how loud you play them. Crank them for a couple hours. That's all they should need.
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Are studiomonitor 350s overkill with a ProCenter 2000? They both have 5.25" drivers but not sure if same type and would timbre match. I don't want to replace my center and was going to upgrade to sm45s (which is probably a better match) but the price of the sm350s is tempting. I do value 2 channel music as well so maybe the added bass would come handy. But still 80% will be for movies. I also have the PSW505 sub.

I had 350s, they were great and the 2000 should be fine with them. I think the drivers in the 2000 are one generation newer.

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My three SM65s and two XTR-20BPs came today. Now to get the wires made up and everything plugged in.

How much break in do the monitors need before they sound their best?

I left mine on over night for a couple days and they were fine. I think Def Tech says around 40 hours.

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IMO there is no advantage to the 350 over the 1000 if you are using a separate sub.
This is what I was thinking. Also what exactly gives the PC2000/PM1000 combo the slight edge? Is it the smoother highs? I can get fatigued quickly with cheap/muddy/bright highs and it has me worried that I'll be ordering the wrong thing in which case. Just need confirmation on this.
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This is what I was thinking. Also what exactly gives the PC2000/PM1000 combo the slight edge? Is it the smoother highs? I can get fatigued quickly with cheap/muddy/bright highs and it has me worried that I'll be ordering the wrong thing in which case. Just need confirmation on this.
Actually there is quite a difference. For one, size does matter with speakers. The cubic volume is almost double. The 350 has a large bass radiator. It has a much more crystal clear sound than the 1000s. Space wise, the 1000s are fine, but speaker quality, there is a reason the SM350 is in the SM line.

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Thank you. Just ordered two pair from the egg.
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I also have SM350's for fronts and am wondering which center I should get. I'm conflicted between the CS-8040HD and procenter 2000. I asked a def tech guy and he said the 8040 is better match with the 350's, but then again he could be trying to get me to buy a more expensive speaker. What do you guys think? I'm worried that because the 8040 has 4.5 inch woofers, the sound won't blend as well as the procenter 2000, which has the same size woofers as the 350's.
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Nudge, nudge, hint, hint...I know someone with a CLR-2300...
Just kidding.
Personally I would say either the PC-2000 or an older CLR-2002.
But, in his defence, the powered woofer in the cs-8040 will make up for the difference in driver size, my 2300 held its own with my 2000's surprisingly well.

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Nudge, nudge, hint, hint...I know someone with a CLR-2300...
Just kidding.
Personally I would say either the PC-2000 or an older CLR-2002.
But, in his defence, the powered woofer in the cs-8040 will make up for the difference in driver size, my 2300 held its own with my 2000's surprisingly well.
Personally, I don't want to buy a used speaker so I'm not really considering the CLR-xxxx models. So my options come back to the 8040 and PC-2000. I'm confused which will integrate better/provide an overall better listening experience with the 350's...
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Personally, I don't want to buy a used speaker so I'm not really considering the CLR-xxxx models. So my options come back to the 8040 and PC-2000. I'm confused which will integrate better/provide an overall better listening experience with the 350's...
Ok, I screwed up, for some reason I was thinking about the 8060, not the 8040...
You probably will get a better match with the 2000, but a little "fuller" sound with the 8040, it's so close you may want to consider design and placement as one of the deciding factors, how open is the space where you'll be using it? The 8040 has it's radiator on the top and the 2000 has them on it's sides, where you put either of these will make a difference, in a completely open scenario I would choose the 8040, but in any kind of enclosure or on a shelf, it may change things, the 8040 will definitely need some breathing room on top but the 2000 will probably perform better in a tighter space.

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Ok, I screwed up, for some reason I was thinking about the 8060, not the 8040...
You probably will get a better match with the 2000, but a little "fuller" sound with the 8040, it's so close you may want to consider design and placement as one of the deciding factors, how open is the space where you'll be using it? The 8040 has it's radiator on the top and the 2000 has them on it's sides, where you put either of these will make a difference, in a completely open scenario I would choose the 8040, but in any kind of enclosure or on a shelf, it may change things, the 8040 will definitely need some breathing room on top but the 2000 will probably perform better in a tighter space.
I would be putting it in a cabinet space. The dimensions of the 8040 would leave about 3 inches of open space above it, whereas the PC-2000 would have 4-5 inches of open space on both sides. Aesthetically, I'm leaning towards the 8040 since it has a more boxy shape that parallels the shape of the 350's, as opposed to the round design of the PC-2000's. Do you think 3 inches would be enough space?
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It's probably going to be close, it def. wouldn't be enough of it were powered and not a radiator. Since its such a toss up decision, where were you thinking of getting it from? Since you want to buy new, you may want to think about taking advantage of the Best Buy 15 day no questions asked return policy, try the 8040 and see if the cabinet ends up being a detriment or not. He'll if you had the cash, get them both and return the one you don't like....But there again that would solve everything and be too easy....
(Just a thought) lol

And I absolutely understand the aesthetic thing, I've got the 100's and old C-2 in my bedroom and am selling my 2300 simply because I like the appearance match of the C-2 with that system better.

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I also have SM350's for fronts and am wondering which center I should get. I'm conflicted between the CS-8040HD and procenter 2000. I asked a def tech guy and he said the 8040 is better match with the 350's, but then again he could be trying to get me to buy a more expensive speaker. What do you guys think? I'm worried that because the 8040 has 4.5 inch woofers, the sound won't blend as well as the procenter 2000, which has the same size woofers as the 350's.

I owned the 350s and the 2300 at the same time. I actually sold the 2300 and bought another one again, then sold it again, before I bought my 8080CS. The 2300 is a great match for the 350s. I tried the 350 and the 2300 both as center and they sound basically the same. I was just the aesthetics that bothered me. The 2002 is also a good match for the 350s.


P.S. Don't buy a 2300 if it can't be out in the open. I had it on the shelf under my TV the first time and I think that's why I didn't like it. When I bought the second one I had it in my Home Theater and it was much better. I have also tried the Mythos 8 as a CC. Didn't like it much, but space wise it was what worked. I think a 2002 would have been best for my first situation. The 8080 is best now.

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It's probably going to be close, it def. wouldn't be enough of it were powered and not a radiator. Since its such a toss up decision, where were you thinking of getting it from? Since you want to buy new, you may want to think about taking advantage of the Best Buy 15 day no questions asked return policy, try the 8040 and see if the cabinet ends up being a detriment or not. He'll if you had the cash, get them both and return the one you don't like....But there again that would solve everything and be too easy....
(Just a thought) lol

And I absolutely understand the aesthetic thing, I've got the 100's and old C-2 in my bedroom and am selling my 2300 simply because I like the appearance match of the C-2 with that system better.
I talked to the def tech guy again, and he said that the larger size of the speaker, along with the large passive bass radiator, more than makes up for the slightly smaller size woofers on the 8040. He also said they are timbre matched (whatever that means) with the 350's and that 3 inches of space is enough since it's just a passive module. He concluded that the 8040 is going to be (sound-wise) the better choice compared to the PC-2000. Since I like the look of the 8040 better, I think I'll go with that one. I'll probably get it from Best Buy, like you said, to have the return option. Thanks for your help.

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Ordered the Mopad XL from Amazon just now and should be here Friday. I'll report back to see how it works, but I'm hopefully optimistic.

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Well, I got the ModPad XLs in and they were a bit longer than my fireplace mantle (12" for XLs vs. 8" depth for mantle). So, after trimming them down, I inserted the most downward facing angle-insert and put my speaker on. I did several listens, and possibly there is an ever so slight increase in clarity, but that would be pushing it. Since I've cut them, amazon probably won't take them back now... but maybe I can still use them.

So, I'm back to square one. Should I look at replacing the Mythos Eight with a Mythos Nine or Ten? Or should I look at getting a completely different brand center channel? Again, on my fireplace mantle, I only have about 8 inches of depth.

As a refresher, I have the following equipment:
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The PC2000 is a better match to the PM1000s. Can you swap the PC1000 for the PC2000? The naming convention DT used for the series is silly...
After soliciting your input, I swapped out the center channel for the PC 2000. Thank you.

I am building a 5.1 system and have PM1000 for the L/R channel. I need 2 rear in-ceiling speakers and don't want to spend the money on UIW BP/A which somebody suggested earlier.

Can you give me some alternatives for 2 rear speakers that might be priced lower?

For a reminder, here is my system setup:

My room is roughly 15 x 17 and I have already purchased the following:

Samsung PN60F8500 Plasma TV.
Xenon AVR-2000 Receiver.
Sony BDP-S6200 Blu-Ray.
2 Promonitor 1000 Speakers L/R
1 Procenter 2000 Speaker.
I have an older subwoofer already.

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You know I didn't think to ask this but my tv stand has an 18" cutout (with open back) for the center channel and this is where my PC2000 will be. Being that it's 17" wide it's going to be a tight fit and I know it has radiators on the side but these are just passive so will the 1/2" on each side be enough for it to breath considering the back is open? My PC1000 sounds good where it's at now and really don't have a choice unless I swap out the stand. I have everything in place and it looks nice so I would very much prefer not to use some other stand or contraption for the center unless I have to. Will I be okay?

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After soliciting your input, I swapped out the center channel for the PC 2000. Thank you.

I am building a 5.1 system and have PM1000 for the L/R channel. I need 2 rear in-ceiling speakers and don't want to spend the money on UIW BP/A which somebody suggested earlier.

Can you give me some alternatives for 2 rear speakers that might be priced lower?

For a reminder, here is my system setup:

My room is roughly 15 x 17 and I have already purchased the following:

Samsung PN60F8500 Plasma TV.
Xenon AVR-2000 Receiver.
Sony BDP-S6200 Blu-Ray.
2 Promonitor 1000 Speakers L/R
1 Procenter 2000 Speaker.
I have an older subwoofer already.
Do you need in ceiling speakers. I would wall mount another pair of 1000s or 800s.

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