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post #31561 of 31574 Old 09-15-2014, 06:45 PM
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I have a 5.1 setup and want to move to 7.1. I'm considering getting four of the Def Tech RSS 2 or RSS 3 to replace my existing Snell bipole surrounds. All RSS will be installed in the ceiling (due to physical constraints) and need to be fully enclosed. I have a couple questions:

1) In the Def Tech RSS manual, I was shocked that they recommend that for side surrounds, one set of drivers should be shooting towards the listening position. Isn't it the OPPOSITE? I always thought that the point of bipole side surrounds is that they shoot front and back, creating a widely dispersed sound field. I have pasted the manual entry below. Is this a typo or mistake? Same for the rear, it seems like they have it in reverse.

2) How far back should the rear pair be for this to work? They will be at most 8 to 12 inches behind my head in the ceiling, is it worth moving to 7.1?

3) Would it be better to get the RCS as rear? Or all four RCS? (I plan to go Atmos at some point in the future, so debating whether bipole is the way to go or not)


From RSS 3 Manual:

http://www.definitivetech.com/downlo...12909_read.pdf

If ceiling-mounting these speakers directly on either side of the main
listening position, the speakers should be oriented so that one set of drivers
shoots at the listening position and the other set shoots away from the
listening position.

If ceiling-mounting the speakers directly behind the main listening position,
orient the speakers so that one set of drivers shoots towards the listening
position and the other set shoots back away from the listening position.
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I currently have the following setup

7.2
L\R - BP2004
C - CLR2300
Sur - UIW63/A (in ceiling)
R - BPX
Sub - DIY slot ported 18" DI HT Marty Cube x2

Receiver - Denon AVR-X2100W

I'm not thrilled with my center channel .... I know some are going to suggest a Def-tech center channel upgrade, some are going to say get another BP2004 ... I've recently heard the SEOS compression drivers and it was a perceived improvement; I also listened to some ribbon tweeters and liked the clarity ...

How much of an issue is it to mix the type or manufacturer of the center? Anyone doing it? How's the Mythos 10 center? With modern EQ'ing isn't a lot of the issues of mixing speakers removed? I know its not a total non issue .. but was wondering if anyone had the same thoughts ...

Thanks for any advice in advance.

Jason

I have owned the 2300, twice, a Mythos 8 and now have an 8080. I haven't tried that, but it's recommended to have matching across the front soundstage. However, I did have Boston Acoustics VS line in my back with Def Tech upfront and the difference was very obvious. The Mythos 8 sounded very small compared to the 2300. I don't then a Mythos 10 would be much better. Somebody recommended the 2000, try that, a 2500, the 8080, or phantom center. I have just discovered my CS8080 increases a room null with REW. It's right at the 60-80Hz range. I have been running without my8080 for a couple days and seem to like it. I just don't like the thought of not having a 7.2. I may try something different to see if it works, otherwise I may just get rid of it. I like phantom CC mode, try it.

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I agree with Lowell about trying phantom mode, the 2004's should give you a pretty decent phantom.

As far as the 2300 itself, I'm sort of surprised it's not doing the job well, the 2004's should be a really good match for it, I was wondering what your setup is like as far as location and acoustics, I never pulled my 2300 out, but always had a pretty airy spot for it, and as much as going to 3000 was an upgrade, bringing it completely out of a cabinet and out into the open improved it that much more. Also, try playing with your EQ a little, I know ideally everything should be good with a flat adjustment, but again, it will help you to adjust for acoustical differences.

Good luck.

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Just a thought, but are they at least 12 inches out from the wall?
Yeah. have actually used it in different setups in different rooms over the years.. no big thing. Now they are just used for when company comes over to play hockey on the playstation.. they are pretty good for that..
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Thanks for the input. The Center is on top of the 2 sub cabinets. Not inside anywhere. It's definitely the larger room or something happened during the move, I was never wowed by it but it does seem flatter in the new room.

I have REW, glad that was mentioned. I will run a sweep and see what it looks like compared to the mains.

Anyone who owns some deftechs compared them to the Clearwave Dynamic Mains(4TSE)/Center(4CCSE)? Impressions?
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A little off topic, but since it's been mentioned in this page a few times. To those that have used REW, is it worth the time, effort and investment to get the $95 mic and spend time learning the software? Or is using the receivers built in calibration tools (MCACC, Audyssey, etc) + SPL meter + some manual fine tuning a better route. I've been reading about it for the past day and it seems easy and complicated at the same time and I'm wondering if it's worth the effort and hours spent configuring everything.

Will you hear the difference between either way?

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I have a CRL 2002 for sale, no scrathes with original box and accessory's , if interested pm me, thanks
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Def Tech holiday deal?

Hi folks...

Has anyone heard if Def Tech is again going to offer their deal this year (Oct - Jan) - where if you buy 2 BP8060ST's at regular price - you get a center 8040 and 8040 surrounds for free?
They've done this the last few years - I'm hoping...
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I recently got a CS-8040HD from bajawaverunner (excellent condition, I might add), and am wondering if anyone has advice on whether it should be tilted towards me or not. I previously had a ProCenter 1000 and it was easily adjusted with the tilt screw. At any rate, I have the center on top of an entertainment stand below my projection screen and am wondering about tilting it upwards towards ear level, or if the "HD" means it doesn't need the direct shot that the PC-1000 might. I would only need the front to tilt upwards a small amount to have it aimed at the main listening position. What is a cheap, effective, decent-looking solution to this -- and do I need to solve this or is it not a problem?

Thanks in advance!

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Former 35mm and Digital Projectionist @ Regal Cinemas

Currently watching on: BenQ W1070, 82" 1.0 Gain Screen, PS3, with Yamaha RX-V473, SVS PB-1000, a Def Tech CS-8040HD, and 4 Def Tech ProMonitor 800s.
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I recently got a CS-8040HD from bajawaverunner (excellent condition, I might add), and am wondering if anyone has advice on whether it should be tilted towards me or not. I previously had a ProCenter 1000 and it was easily adjusted with the tilt screw. At any rate, I have the center on top of an entertainment stand below my projection screen and am wondering about tilting it upwards towards ear level, or if the "HD" means it doesn't need the direct shot that the PC-1000 might. I would only need the front to tilt upwards a small amount to have it aimed at the main listening position. What is a cheap, effective, decent-looking solution to this -- and do I need to solve this or is it not a problem?

Thanks in advance!
I tilted it up and it sounded much better. I bought some rubber feet off Amazon.
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Re:tilt on the center. It can help and is easy to do. Rubber doorstops work as well as the rubber feet mentioned above. I use a pair of Auralex MoPads under my 8060 and like those.
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bp8080st vs svs ultra towers

I need help in deciding between the bp8080st or the svs ultra tower. I'm going to buy a set of one or the other.I also am considering the 8060st is the 8080st a big upgrade from the 8060st. I have definitive technology towers now but the svsultra sounds like a great speaker.If I buy 8080st I will get them from bajawaverunner, are the products from them usuallybin good working order.Please any advice is most wanted in making this difficult decision.
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I need help in deciding between the bp8080st or the svs ultra tower. I'm going to buy a set of one or the other.I also am considering the 8060st is the 8080st a big upgrade from the 8060st. I have definitive technology towers now but the svsultra sounds like a great speaker.If I buy 8080st I will get them from bajawaverunner, are the products from them usuallybin good working order.Please any advice is most wanted in making this difficult decision.
I haven't heard the SVS's so I really can't help you there, but just doing a quick glance you'd be be giving up a 12" powered woofer for 2 8" woofers that are dependant on your source component for power, at a glance it seems like a push toward the 8080's, but again that's just at a glance. But... one thing about the 8080's just remember you can't jam them into a tight space and expect them to perform to their full potential, they need room to breathe, esp. the rear driver.

As far as the 8080 vs 8060, yes there is a decent amount of difference in their sound, IMO the 8080 is a lot better suited for HT and just marginally better suited for music, but that's just me, you'd have to side-by-side them yourself to truly know which you like better. Something to think about though, a few people who have listened to the 8060 against the 8040, haven't thought that the 60 was "enough" better to justify the extra cost between them, but the 80's were.

As far as Baja, they've probably got one of the best reputations as a DefTech re-seller on E-Bay.

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Mythos 3 or ProCinema 1000 for Bp7006?

Hi

Im looking for a center channel that match the bp7006 towers in which use 4.5" mid drivers.

Mythos 3 and ProCinema 1000 both use 4.5" mid drivers but i believe the type of drivers are different.

Im inclining more in the mythos 3 but I need advise from experts.

Thanks
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