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IMO, there are a couple of things to take in consideration on this choice, (esp. since you have the 8020's)
1. Mostly Music or Mostly HT?
2. Are you running separate Sub's?

For HT, I've always preferred either a 6.5" or 5.25" driver (in that order) and with that in mind you would have more than a few other choices that I think would work better than the 8060's (of course depending on how much of a deal you could get), taking cost out of the equation I would place the Supertower's in this order:
1. 3000 / 7000
2. 2000
3. 7001
4. 2002 / 7002 / 8080
5. 2004 / 7004
6. 2006 / 7006 / 8060 / 8040
7. 8020

If it were me I'd wait it out and go for the bigger upgrade from the 8020's and look for anything from #4 on up.

Also, you didn't mention your plan for your 8020's but before you get rid of them, if you have the space at all, try then as surrounds, should be excellent.
Thanks for the details ALtlOff, much appreciated! I mainly will use for home theatre and I do have a good separate sub. But based on what you mentioned, I may have to wait it out on the speakers to find some locally, preferable 1-3 above. Hmmm, I hadn't checked out the other 2002, 2004, or 7004 and wasn't aware they were better than the 8060's, but I see the tweeter sizes were 5 1/4 vs. 4 1/2 like in the 8060 but the 8060 has 3 vs 2 like in the other speakers. So I assume that would come into play, but I could be hard to tell unless you can hear all of them together.

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Thanks for the details ALtlOff, much appreciated! I mainly will use for home theatre and I do have a good separate sub. But based on what you mentioned, I may have to wait it out on the speakers to find some locally, preferable 1-3 above. Hmmm, I hadn't checked out the other 2002, 2004, or 7004 and wasn't aware they were better than the 8060's, but I see the tweeter sizes were 5 1/4 vs. 4 1/2 like in the 8060 but the 8060 has 3 vs 2 like in the other speakers. So I assume that would come into play, but I could be hard to tell unless you can hear all of them together.
Keep in mind, I just gave you recommendations for what "I" like in tonal quality, when it comes to HT, for me the extra driver doesn't carry as much weight as what I prefer in tone.
Since its harder to find older equipment to listen to, see if you can find a retailer that has both the 8080's and 8060's and listen to them with content that isn't real bass heavy (since that's what retailers will try to push on you with the whole built in Sub concept) and just listen to the difference between the 5.25 drivers and the 4.5 drivers, that way you can decide for yourself which, or even if, you like one better than the other. It may help to narrow things down for you as far as direction, if you prefer the smaller driver, or don't hear much of a difference, it may either widen your parameters or save you some money in the long run.
(Here's an example of what I mean, many people who have compared the 8060 to the 8040 stay there's not enough of a difference to justify the extra cost, that should give you some insight as to how much Mid Driver Size comes into play over Sub size and other things)

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I'd like to set the front bookshelf speakers, Def Tech ProMonitor 800s, on the TV console. The console is wide enough that it's a good 10" on either side longer than the TV, so they wouldn't be blocking it. From my research though, it sounds like setting them on a console is a no-no. Is that correct? I'm a complete newbie with audio setup and I'm really trying to learn. Seems like the more I learn though, the more lost I get.

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I don't remember if the 800's are shielded or not, but that may be the only issue ( honestly you should have enough space anyway) just try it and see if you see any problems on your TV.
It's not "on" a cabinet that's the problem, is "in" a cabinet that's the issue, whey need room to breath, esp. from the top, to get the deepest and fullest sound possible out of them, esp. if they are your mains.

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Hey guys, need your help, I'm putting speakers into a work trailer for extended conference call coverage, training videos, and other small usage. These will be ceiling mounted, and was thinking of using four DT AW 6500 for the conference room, it is about 45' long and 20' wide. Any help or other recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
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The more I read, the more my eyes get crossed and confused. I have a pioneer elite vsx92txh connected to bp8040's (center, mains, surrounds) and 2 supercube II's. Can I get a straight up detailed rundown of what I should set everything to? The system sounds great as is but I want it to be perfect. Thanks
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Hey guys, need your help, I'm putting speakers into a work trailer for extended conference call coverage, training videos, and other small usage. These will be ceiling mounted, and was thinking of using four DT AW 6500 for the conference room, it is about 45' long and 20' wide. Any help or other recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
They would work fine, but for what your interested in using them for, the 5500's would work just as well and save you a little.
Just curious, do you absolutely think you need outdoor speakers for your application? If not you could get 6 of the ProMonitor 800's for less than 4 of the 6500's and that's at retail, if you bought referbs it could save you even more. (bajawaverunner on e-bay) or even older ProMonitor 100's would work if you cold find enough of them. With any of these, instead of ceiling mounting you could mount them horizontally where the ceiling meets the walls.
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Hey def tech guys it's been awhile since I visited room hope all is well. Here's a pic of my upgrades

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I'm interested in purchasing quantity 3 UIW RLS III's to go behind a new Silver Ticket Acoustic Weave Projector screen. And 2 UIW RSS III's for surrounds in a 5.1 system (coupled with a SVS SB-2000). I'm looking at buying from the ebay seller orion_av for around $360 each speaker. I'm nervous that the speakers could be knock offs, have the serial numbers removed, or that I won't qualify for any manufacturers warranty even though the seller says they are new in box. The seller has 2000+ positive reviews and 0 negative reviews. Anybody here have any experience with this particular seller on ebay?

I missed out on the refurbished ones from bajawaverunner a couple weeks ago
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I am a total newbie here and have been strongly considering the Def Tech Pro Cinema 600/800 speakers. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the following options I've seen so far.

1. Best Buy has a bundle, Pro Cinema 600 with either Denon X2100W receiver or Yamaha RA-A740BL receiver for $999.
2. Pro Cinema 600 for $599 at Best Buy
3. Pro Cinema 800 for $899 at ProAudioDealer

Either of the last 2 options, I can get a Pioneer Elite VSX-44 on sale at Best Buy for $299.

My budget is about $1200.
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Current 5.1 setup:

-L/R: BP8060ST
-Center: CS8040HD
-Surrounds: ProMonitor 1000
- Subwoofer - SC-2000
- Running all with a Pioneer Elite SC-65 AVR. MCACC calibration with L/R channels set to LARGE.

I just purchased an SVS SB-2000 sub and can't wait to hook it up. Does anyone on here have a similar setup? I ask because I am worried about both the subs working with each other. Anyone else have this setup that can provide some advice? Did you set your 8060ST's to SMALL?

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I'm interested in purchasing quantity 3 UIW RLS III's to go behind a new Silver Ticket Acoustic Weave Projector screen. And 2 UIW RSS III's for surrounds in a 5.1 system (coupled with a SVS SB-2000). I'm looking at buying from the ebay seller orion_av for around $360 each speaker. I'm nervous that the speakers could be knock offs, have the serial numbers removed, or that I won't qualify for any manufacturers warranty even though the seller says they are new in box. The seller has 2000+ positive reviews and 0 negative reviews. Anybody here have any experience with this particular seller on ebay?

I missed out on the refurbished ones from bajawaverunner a couple weeks ago
I bought 2 "new" RLS III's from an ebay dealer as well (about the same price as yours) and 2 RSS III's from baja. They were both in new condition, with Def Tech boxes, proper papers and cutout guides, and they've all been working great for a couple of months now. I didn't use your seller, but if he has good reviews I'd say go for it, if you're ready to buy. I regularly look at what baja is selling, and the RLS's and RSS's come up fairly often. If you're not in a huge hurry to get your system started, I would guess that baja will have more of them up in the next couple months.

As for the warranty, I don't think you'll "officially" get it from orion_av, or possibly from baja even. The Def Tech website specifically says, "If you purchased from a retailer who is not an authorized Definitive Technology retailer your product is not covered by our warranty." Maybe someone else can say if they're super strict with this rule or not.
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Long-time lurker. First post. I appreciate any feedback that you can give... I'm very much a novice. I'm going to build a Bajawaverunner DefTech system to replace a 10 year old Onkyo HTIB. Figured it was time since I just got a new 65" Samsung LCD.

My room:
- Approx. 3200-3300 cu ft basement. HT is in one half of that space but it is wide open.
- I will be mounting all speakers. No shelves or media cabinets. One of the fronts will be mounted in the corner... not sure if that's an issue or not.
- 75% movies, 25% music (mostly Pandora, Spotify, etc.)
- I plan to purchase PM1000 fronts, PC2000 center, PM800 surrounds, still unsure of sub.
- Receiver is Yamaha RX-A740BL.

My questions:
- Are the PM1000's necessary or can I get away with PM800's for the fronts given the space? I assumed 1000's but I'm all for saving money
- The standard subwoofer recommendation seems to be SVS PB/SB1000, HSU, Rythmik, etc. As a novice, will I hear a difference between the SVS and, say, a SuperCube 2000? Baja has the SC's super cheap. If it's THAT much of a difference, I will take the plunge. I don't mind spending the money if it's warranted. I'm just unsure if my ear would hear it. Unfortunately, I can't listen to it prior to the purchase.

Any help would be most appreciated. I'm amazed at the level of knowledge on this forum. Hopefully I can learn something and do this the right way. Thanks guys!
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James Mchughes post.

Very nice system. What caught my attention is "two" C/L/R 3000 center speakers? I have Bpvx surrounds and Bpvx/P rear. (there is so much additional sound I never knew until I placed Bpvx/p back there) I have Def A60 Atmos height modules on top of front L/R speakers, and Onkyo Skh-410 Atmos height modules on top of my rear Bpvx/p rear speakers. My AVR is Denon X5200w. Dolby Atmos content so far really pumped up my system. December firmware update will add Auro-3D to the AVR for future system improvements. I hope DTS offers same firmware update. Again nice system.

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Long-time lurker. First post. I appreciate any feedback that you can give... I'm very much a novice. I'm going to build a Bajawaverunner DefTech system to replace a 10 year old Onkyo HTIB. Figured it was time since I just got a new 65" Samsung LCD.

My room:
- Approx. 3200-3300 cu ft basement. HT is in one half of that space but it is wide open.
- I will be mounting all speakers. No shelves or media cabinets. One of the fronts will be mounted in the corner... not sure if that's an issue or not.
- 75% movies, 25% music (mostly Pandora, Spotify, etc.)
- I plan to purchase PM1000 fronts, PC2000 center, PM800 surrounds, still unsure of sub.
- Receiver is Yamaha RX-A740BL.

My questions:
- Are the PM1000's necessary or can I get away with PM800's for the fronts given the space? I assumed 1000's but I'm all for saving money
- The standard subwoofer recommendation seems to be SVS PB/SB1000, HSU, Rythmik, etc. As a novice, will I hear a difference between the SVS and, say, a SuperCube 2000? Baja has the SC's super cheap. If it's THAT much of a difference, I will take the plunge. I don't mind spending the money if it's warranted. I'm just unsure if my ear would hear it. Unfortunately, I can't listen to it prior to the purchase.

Any help would be most appreciated. I'm amazed at the level of knowledge on this forum. Hopefully I can learn something and do this the right way. Thanks guys!
I'm in kind of the same dilemna as you but I brought in another sub, the SVS SB-2000. I'm still working on my setup, but so far, I am liking my DT SC-2000 over the SVS SB-2000. I'm really hoping that I'm doing something wrong. I'm pending feedback to see what I can do to improve the LFE response.

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Very nice system. What caught my attention is "two" C/L/R 3000 center speakers? I have Bpvx surrounds and Bpvx/P rear. (there is so much additional sound I never knew until I placed Bpvx/p back there) I have Def A60 Atmos height modules on top of front L/R speakers, and Onkyo Skh-410 Atmos height modules on top of my rear Bpvx/p rear speakers. My AVR is Denon X5200w. Dolby Atmos content so far really pumped up my system. December firmware update will add Auro-3D to the AVR for future system improvements. I hope DTS offers same firmware update. Again nice system.
Thx Bill and nice system yourself. It's nice have four 6.5" drivers for a center. I Set one clr3000 to the pioneer and the other clr3000 to my Rotel. The blend very well
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I'm in kind of the same dilemna as you but I brought in another sub, the SVS SB-2000. I'm still working on my setup, but so far, I am liking my DT SC-2000 over the SVS SB-2000. I'm really hoping that I'm doing something wrong. I'm pending feedback to see what I can do to improve the LFE response.
Got the SC2000 for dirt cheap from Bajawaverunner. If I find that it's not filling the room, I'll get a second SC or upgrade. I couldn't say no to $140.
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Got the SC2000 for dirt cheap from Bajawaverunner. If I find that it's not filling the room, I'll get a second SC or upgrade. I couldn't say no to $140.
That may be my next move if I don't make progress with this new sub. Post your thoughts after you play with your new sub.

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James Mchughes post.

Very nice system. What caught my attention is "two" C/L/R 3000 center speakers? I have Bpvx surrounds and Bpvx/P rear. (there is so much additional sound I never knew until I placed Bpvx/p back there) I have Def A60 Atmos height modules on top of front L/R speakers, and Onkyo Skh-410 Atmos height modules on top of my rear Bpvx/p rear speakers. My AVR is Denon X5200w. Dolby Atmos content so far really pumped up my system. December firmware update will add Auro-3D to the AVR for future system improvements. I hope DTS offers same firmware update. Again nice system.
I completely agree with this, I was real surprised with the difference when I re-purposed two of my subs as powered woofers for my surround channels, I'll end up adding two more for my rear channels also, after hearing the difference I've become a complete advocate of full range speakers for all channels if it's at all possible.

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Long-time lurker. First post. I appreciate any feedback that you can give... I'm very much a novice. I'm going to build a Bajawaverunner DefTech system to replace a 10 year old Onkyo HTIB. Figured it was time since I just got a new 65" Samsung LCD.

My room:
- Approx. 3200-3300 cu ft basement. HT is in one half of that space but it is wide open.
- I will be mounting all speakers. No shelves or media cabinets. One of the fronts will be mounted in the corner... not sure if that's an issue or not.
- 75% movies, 25% music (mostly Pandora, Spotify, etc.)
- I plan to purchase PM1000 fronts, PC2000 center, PM800 surrounds, still unsure of sub.
- Receiver is Yamaha RX-A740BL.

My questions:
- Are the PM1000's necessary or can I get away with PM800's for the fronts given the space? I assumed 1000's but I'm all for saving money
- The standard subwoofer recommendation seems to be SVS PB/SB1000, HSU, Rythmik, etc. As a novice, will I hear a difference between the SVS and, say, a SuperCube 2000? Baja has the SC's super cheap. If it's THAT much of a difference, I will take the plunge. I don't mind spending the money if it's warranted. I'm just unsure if my ear would hear it. Unfortunately, I can't listen to it prior to the purchase.

Any help would be most appreciated. I'm amazed at the level of knowledge on this forum. Hopefully I can learn something and do this the right way. Thanks guys!
As far as the 800's vs 1000's I would say, yes, if at all possible stick with the 1000's they are a prefect driver match to the PC2000, and should work noticeably better, esp. as fronts in a room that size.
As far as cost savings, if you don't mind the difference in styling, the older SM350's are also a good match, plus you can usually find a pair of them on e-bay for the price of 1 new PM1000. For that matter if you don't mind the square look and older gear, the combo of SM 350's and CLR2000 or CLR2002 would work really well as a front stage for prob. a little less money also. The cost differences are actually small enough that it would really depend on which you liked the look of, more than anything, the performance would be very similar.

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As far as the 800's vs 1000's I would say, yes, if at all possible stick with the 1000's they are a prefect driver match to the PC2000, and should work noticeably better, esp. as fronts in a room that size.
As far as cost savings, if you don't mind the difference in styling, the older SM350's are also a good match, plus you can usually find a pair of them on e-bay for the price of 1 new PM1000. For that matter if you don't mind the square look and older gear, the combo of SM 350's and CLR2000 or CLR2002 would work really well as a front stage for prob. a little less money also. The cost differences are actually small enough that it would really depend on which you liked the look of, more than anything, the performance would be very similar.

I would have to second the combo, especially the SM350s I used to own them and they are great speakers. Very clear and detailed. I have heard the PM1000s at BB and they are not nearly as detailed.

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Current 5.1 setup:

-L/R: BP8060ST
-Center: CS8040HD
-Surrounds: ProMonitor 1000
- Subwoofer - SC-2000
- Running all with a Pioneer Elite SC-65 AVR. MCACC calibration with L/R channels set to LARGE.

I just purchased an SVS SB-2000 sub and can't wait to hook it up. Does anyone on here have a similar setup? I ask because I am worried about both the subs working with each other. Anyone else have this setup that can provide some advice? Did you set your 8060ST's to SMALL?

I have the 8060 towers and center along with a SVS cylinder, so pretty close.


With the sub I would try setting your speakers to small and crossover of 60-80hz. Let the towers work a little bit and then send the LFE to the sub. I have the 8060 powered woofers set at the 12:00 postion. I like my bass nice and tight and not bloated and boomy, even if that means sacrificing some impact. For me this set-up works best. Your mileage may vary.


I listen to about 75% 5.1 hi-res music with my system.
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I have the 8060 towers and center along with a SVS cylinder, so pretty close.


With the sub I would try setting your speakers to small and crossover of 60-80hz. Let the towers work a little bit and then send the LFE to the sub. I have the 8060 powered woofers set at the 12:00 postion. I like my bass nice and tight and not bloated and boomy, even if that means sacrificing some impact. For me this set-up works best. Your mileage may vary.


I listen to about 75% 5.1 hi-res music with my system.
I put the sub behind my listening position and run the BP8060STs as Large to give me more impact. Will try them as SMALL. Thx.

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