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ALtlOff's Avatar ALtlOff
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One of my Supercube III's arrived today, looks so funny having this little 10" cube sitting where one of my 18" cube PF1500's used to be...works just fine though for what I'm doing with it, but the III's are definitely going to end up with the rears and going to at least II's for the side surrounds.
Didn't know how much I really missed using more than one Sub until I put this one back up front, whole nother animal again, walked outside and you could tell the walls were shaking...lol.
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Just bought 2 pairs of 64/A's from bajawaverunner. By the way-Chet is still at DT. I think maybe some people were confusing him with the Social Media guy that was frequenting this forum until just recently when he left for another company.
Cools beans, do you already have a Atmos AVR? It will be a while before I upgrade to one so I'm curious how it works out with your system.
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I am considering upgrading my current setup and was thinking of ceiling speakers and in wall speakers to get to ATMOS and possibly improve my current system. I would like recommendations based on my room configuration and limitations. Room is 209 square feet, 1672 cubic foot. Main viewing area is in the dual recliner and occasionally someone will sit on the couch. My wife can not tell the difference in upgraded speakers in an automobile so my upgrades are not Wife approved normally so i just install and ask forgiveness later. So far the only issue has been the larger sub.

I have a 7.2 setup currently but based on my room configuration i do not have the speakers at the ideal heights. I am considering going to an ATMOS setup in the near future. Current configuration:
I have a 65 inch flatscreen with the speakers on each side and underneath center using:
Promonitor 1000 Front left and Right
Procenter 2000 center speaker.

1 subwoofer is on floor below front left it is a BIC PL200
another sub (Prosub 600) is on floor behind dual recliner below rear surround right.

surround left and right are Promonitor 800's located on wall at junction of ceiling aimed at dual recliner
back surround left and right are just to left and right of dual recliner at junction of ceiling aimed at recliners.

I am thinking using DI 5.5S for surround back left and right just to the outside of the dual recliner
I was going to use the existing pro monitor 600 in current location for ATMOS height back
I was thinking of using DI 5.5R for ATMOS height Front

I have attached the drawing in pdf form of my room so if you have better recommendations i will be open to them. My wife is already unhappy with the sub size at the front left floor level. And i have slowly gone from Promonitor 600 system to what i have now slowly. She didn't notice the upgrade of the Procenter 600 to Procenter 2000. Got lucky.

I am open to other speakers that would match my fronts better but it would just be a step at a time so surround back in wall if recommended would be first to be purchased and installed. Based on my room limitations i am looking forward for your recommendations.
Attached: family room speaker setup - Mod.pdf (12.4 KB) 
jbud55's Avatar jbud55
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Long time lurker, first time poster. I have been out of the audio game for a long time, but we are building a house with a media room. The media room is 17.5 feet long by 13.5 wide. I want to upgrade my speakers from an old JBL HTIB system. I noticed Newegg has the Def Tech SM350s on sale for $159.99 a pair and the Def Tech BP8B on sale for $179.99 each. I was thinking about either of the following set ups.

SM 350s all around... front left, front center, surrounds and rears
or
BP8B for front right and front left and then the SM350s for surrounds and rears.

I would obviously buy a sub and center as budget and sales permit. I will not be able to use any of them for about 4 months as the slab is about to be poured.

I have an Onkyo TX-SR606 that I have been using as my receiver.
Specs for Onkyo receiver - onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-SR606&class=Receiver

Which set up do you guys think would be best? Would the Onkyo 606 be powerful enough drive either of these set ups?

Thanks in advance.
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Long time lurker, first time poster. I have been out of the audio game for a long time, but we are building a house with a media room. The media room is 17.5 feet long by 13.5 wide. I want to upgrade my speakers from an old JBL HTIB system. I noticed Newegg has the Def Tech SM350s on sale for $159.99 a pair and the Def Tech BP8B on sale for $179.99 each. I was thinking about either of the following set ups.

SM 350s all around... front left, front center, surrounds and rears
or
BP8B for front right and front left and then the SM350s for surrounds and rears.

I would obviously buy a sub and center as budget and sales permit. I will not be able to use any of them for about 4 months as the slab is about to be poured.

I have an Onkyo TX-SR606 that I have been using as my receiver.
Specs for Onkyo receiver - onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-SR606&class=Receiver

Which set up do you guys think would be best? Would the Onkyo 606 be powerful enough drive either of these set ups?

Thanks in advance.
The 606 will be more than enough to power them. My advice, spend the extra to get 4 SM450's and then go find a used CLR1000b on eBay. They can be had for around $100. You have the time. The larger drivers will make a huge difference and the CLR1000b is an excellent center. The 450's are excellent speakers. You can add two nice subs later on and you will have a nice system. You could also stay on the lookout for a nice used Def Tech system on CL or eBay. Just my .02.

Oh, and welcome to the forum!
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Long time lurker, first time poster. I have been out of the audio game for a long time, but we are building a house with a media room. The media room is 17.5 feet long by 13.5 wide. I want to upgrade my speakers from an old JBL HTIB system. I noticed Newegg has the Def Tech SM350s on sale for $159.99 a pair and the Def Tech BP8B on sale for $179.99 each. I was thinking about either of the following set ups.

SM 350s all around... front left, front center, surrounds and rears
or
BP8B for front right and front left and then the SM350s for surrounds and rears.

I would obviously buy a sub and center as budget and sales permit. I will not be able to use any of them for about 4 months as the slab is about to be poured.

I have an Onkyo TX-SR606 that I have been using as my receiver.
Specs for Onkyo receiver - onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-SR606&class=Receiver

Which set up do you guys think would be best? Would the Onkyo 606 be powerful enough drive either of these set ups?

Thanks in advance.
I'll second what Badger said, in that space I would choose the 450's over the 350's or BP8's , you could save a little however by just getting 2 450's for the fronts and 350's for the rears, but if the 450's aren't an option, then The difference between the 350's and the 8's are going to be mostly aesthetic, towers or bookshelves.
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I am considering upgrading my current setup and was thinking of ceiling speakers and in wall speakers to get to ATMOS and possibly improve my current system. I would like recommendations based on my room configuration and limitations. Room is 209 square feet, 1672 cubic foot. Main viewing area is in the dual recliner and occasionally someone will sit on the couch. My wife can not tell the difference in upgraded speakers in an automobile so my upgrades are not Wife approved normally so i just install and ask forgiveness later. So far the only issue has been the larger sub.

I have a 7.2 setup currently but based on my room configuration i do not have the speakers at the ideal heights. I am considering going to an ATMOS setup in the near future. Current configuration:
I have a 65 inch flatscreen with the speakers on each side and underneath center using:
Promonitor 1000 Front left and Right
Procenter 2000 center speaker.

1 subwoofer is on floor below front left it is a BIC PL200
another sub (Prosub 600) is on floor behind dual recliner below rear surround right.

surround left and right are Promonitor 800's located on wall at junction of ceiling aimed at dual recliner
back surround left and right are just to left and right of dual recliner at junction of ceiling aimed at recliners.

I am thinking using DI 5.5S for surround back left and right just to the outside of the dual recliner
I was going to use the existing pro monitor 600 in current location for ATMOS height back
I was thinking of using DI 5.5R for ATMOS height Front

I have attached the drawing in pdf form of my room so if you have better recommendations i will be open to them. My wife is already unhappy with the sub size at the front left floor level. And i have slowly gone from Promonitor 600 system to what i have now slowly. She didn't notice the upgrade of the Procenter 600 to Procenter 2000. Got lucky.

I am open to other speakers that would match my fronts better but it would just be a step at a time so surround back in wall if recommended would be first to be purchased and installed. Based on my room limitations i am looking forward for your recommendations.
It's hard to tell for sure without dimensions, but if that is drawn to scale you really need to separate your surround backs and surrounds. Also, you might want to consider going 5.3.4. Instead of the 7.3.4 config. Also, the DI 5.5s would be fine, but you could also hang PM 800s from the ceiling.
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I'll second what Badger said, in that space I would choose the 450's over the 350's or BP8's , you could save a little however by just getting 2 450's for the fronts and 350's for the rears, but if the 450's aren't an option, then The difference between the 350's and the 8's are going to be mostly aesthetic, towers or bookshelves.
I third this. If you look at my setup I went with SM 65s for true full range towers. I owned the 350s when the came out and they are very detailed.
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Cools beans, do you already have a Atmos AVR? It will be a while before I upgrade to one so I'm curious how it works out with your system.
Not yet. Just getting ready for the upgrade in a couple/few years. I'm using an older Yamaha RX-Z11. It's the last flagship caliber receiver they made, and until something as substantial as that comes out I'm not ready to make the change. I just got my HT back together after the last upgrade, and I really need to keep it in operational mode for awhile as it's been down more than up during it's 18 year run.
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Not yet. Just getting ready for the upgrade in a couple/few years. I'm using an older Yamaha RX-Z11. It's the last flagship caliber receiver they made, and until something as substantial as that comes out I'm not ready to make the change. I just got my HT back together after the last upgrade, and I really need to keep it in operational mode for awhile as it's been down more than up during it's 18 year run.
Steve I'm the same way, I've only had my current setup for 7 years. I even just had pioneer elite 92txh fixed for $75, as I really don't want to buy a new receiver now with the atmos, 4k, and who knows when they will update hdmi 2.0. Also the receiver/speaker setup still sounds great!
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Steve I'm the same way, I've only had my current setup for 7 years. I even just had pioneer elite 92txh fixed for $75, as I really don't want to buy a new receiver now with the atmos, 4k, and who knows when they will update hdmi 2.0. Also the receiver/speaker setup still sounds great!


Did you really mean "only 7 years". I think I have had at least 3 different setups in the past 7 years.
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Did you really mean "only 7 years". I think I have had at least 3 different setups in the past 7 years.
Don't you mean 7 setups in the last three years Granted, I don't have a dedicated theater, but if I can hang onto my ST-L's for more than 14 months then that'll be a new record for me.
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Don't you mean 7 setups in the last three years Granted, I don't have a dedicated theater, but if I can hang onto my ST-L's for more than 14 months then that'll be a new record for me.


I know, it can be crazy sometimes. I am debating on the whole Atmos thing right now which would make my 4th change. On top of that, I am thinking of switching from Def Tech to Klipsch THX sealed in walls.
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Did you really mean "only 7 years". I think I have had at least 3 different setups in the past 7 years.
Yup! Maybe 6 years. Actually I did change out my bp1.2x to bp2 a couple years ago. I just changed the center twice in less than a year. It's in our living room and haven't found speakers that I really like, and I will say when I bought my original set I got a great price on them new, so it was hard to justify upgrading speakers. I guess I just haven't changed the receiver now that I think about it haha (tv has changed since too).

When you made those 3 changes, was that a full system change or just a speaker or too? I couldn't imagine changing out that quickly (also moving those bp7002 aren't the easiest to move/tranaport haha)
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Don't you mean 7 setups in the last three years Granted, I don't have a dedicated theater, but if I can hang onto my ST-L's for more than 14 months then that'll be a new record for me.
What other speakers /receivers have you had?

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I know, it can be crazy sometimes. I am debating on the whole Atmos thing right now which would make my 4th change. On top of that, I am thinking of switching from Def Tech to Klipsch THX sealed in walls.
I think it would take me awhile to actually find speakers that I like better without breaking the budget. Also I still don't have an external sub, so if I switched to something else I'd have to buy one.
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The 606 will be more than enough to power them. My advice, spend the extra to get 4 SM450's and then go find a used CLR1000b on eBay. They can be had for around $100. You have the time. The larger drivers will make a huge difference and the CLR1000b is an excellent center. The 450's are excellent speakers. You can add two nice subs later on and you will have a nice system. You could also stay on the lookout for a nice used Def Tech system on CL or eBay. Just my .02.

Oh, and welcome to the forum!
Thank you Badger!

As it turns out I missed the sale on the 350s. The are now only $50 less than the 450s. In your post you mentioned 4 450s, I assume you mean 2 for the fronts and 2 for the surrounds. What would you recommend for the rears in this type of set up?

Also, in looking at the another house with our same floorplan with media room, I measured the height of the speaker wall plates the installer put in and the height is just over 6 ft high all the way around. This seems really hig up on the wall especially for the fronts. Thinking of telling the installer to put them at 4 feet high on the wall. I am wondering why they put them that high.

Do you have any opinions on the Def Tech subs?
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I'll second what Badger said, in that space I would choose the 450's over the 350's or BP8's , you could save a little however by just getting 2 450's for the fronts and 350's for the rears, but if the 450's aren't an option, then The difference between the 350's and the 8's are going to be mostly aesthetic, towers or bookshelves.
Thanks ALtlOff,

Looks like I missed the sale. The 350s are now only $50 less than the 450s. I like the idea of using the 450s for front and surrounds and the 350s for the rears. I looked at another house that is the same floorplan as ours with a media room. The AV installers put the speaker wire wall plates at just over 6 feet high all the way around including the fronts. This seems really high up to me especially for the fronts. I am wondering why they ran them this high.
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Thank you Badger!

As it turns out I missed the sale on the 350s. The are now only $50 less than the 450s. In your post you mentioned 4 450s, I assume you mean 2 for the fronts and 2 for the surrounds. What would you recommend for the rears in this type of set up?

Also, in looking at the another house with our same floorplan with media room, I measured the height of the speaker wall plates the installer put in and the height is just over 6 ft high all the way around. This seems really hig up on the wall especially for the fronts. Thinking of telling the installer to put them at 4 feet high on the wall. I am wondering why they put them that high.

Do you have any opinions on the Def Tech subs?
Yes, 450's front and rear, CLR1000b for the center. I personally would put them on speaker stands. Def Tech makes stands just for that purpose. Check Bajawaverunner on eBay. If he doesn't have any listed, send him an email. As far as subs go, you can do better than Def Tech for your money. Lots of great subs out there now. I went with a pair of 12" Rythmik subs several years ago and have been happy.
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Hi guys I'm a new proud owner of a pair of Definitive BP-8060ST, CS-8040HD, & SM350 powered by a Sony STR-DG2100 av receiver. The receiver is temporary. I am borrowing from a friend until the Denon AVR-X7200W becomes available. I used to own a pair of Mythos ST Supertowers which I loved. Additionally, I owned the procinema 60.6 which I was quite surprised with its performance. I do have my room treated by GIK Acoustics as well.

So to the point. I have been noticing a lot of sibilance when watching movies. I ran the auto calibration and everything is set to flat as far as I can see on the Sony menu. I don't remember any of my previous Def Techs sounding this sibilant. I'm wondering if the Sony is simply not a good match for these speakers? Have any of you guys experience it for yourself? I picked these up used and they look mint condition. The owner said he has only owned if for about a year. Is it possible these need extensive amount of break in? I even auditioned these speakers at my local Best Buy and I don't remember hearing this much sibilance either. Anyone experience this with their Def Tech, particularly same models as mine? I notice the most sibilance in movies. Its to the point its getting annoying. I even tried turning down the treble and I can still hear it. In addition I loose detail when I lower the treble. Any comments?

Thank you
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