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Anyone in here run towers as wides. Trying to get an idea what's a good starting point. What's the less they should be away from mains.
Anyone chime in like to hear some input :-)
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Galvatron Type R- i've also got the ST8060 towers & CS8060 center- i asked DT folks when i 1st got mine the same question about red turning to green light on the 8060 towers but only red on the center 8060- DT said that's normal & way they're designed- the CS8060 doesn't turn green- the red stays on to indicate power- while the towers turn green when sub amp turns on.

Sometimes it took some loud music for light on 8060 towers to turn green- wasn't right away- they said turn the sub level on receiver up to 3db or so- to make them turn on quickly when playing. hope this helps
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When you say distances is that the cross-over frequencies, and does speaker levels refer to large and small?
No, Distance and Levels are settings in most receivers when doing a manual speaker setup.
Distance:
In you manual speaker setup, they should be a section for setting the distance that each individual speaker is from the main listening position.
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Either by just listening or preferably using an SPL meter, again in the manual speaker setup, there will be a section that plays test tones to each individual channel and a way to adjust that channels volume level, you want to sit in the main listening position and adjust each level so that all the channels are as close to the same volume in that seat as possible.

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I have a pair of 2002 TL's with cherry caps and a CS 8080 HD center all in as new condition for sale, if interested pm me, thanks 21220, cell 410 698 2154, Rick
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Anyone in here run towers as wides. Trying to get an idea what's a good starting point. What's the less they should be away from mains.
Anyone chime in like to hear some input :-)
Prior to changing over to multiple surrounds I ran one of my pairs of BP-10's as Wides, set them up at about 45°-50° from center. They worked very well, tried them both forward and side firing, forward firing would work well if that channel was discrete, but since it's matrixed, the wider dispersion of side firing seemed to give a better sense of "fill".

Since my current receiver only supports 9.2 channels, I was left with manually switching back and forth between highs or wides depending on what I was watching, because of the size of my room I found myself really wanting both, but even with external amplification my receiver just won't run both at the same time, but it does have a setting for virtual Wides, this is what gave me the idea for multiple surrounds, basically I wired my BP-10's in with my BP-20's to my surround channels, moved the 10's to about 65°-70° from center and the 20's to about 100°, and ran the receiver with Heights and Virtual Wides, sounds almost exactly like wides themselves but now I get them and heights at the same time.

Oh, I'm still looking for a single SM-450 if anybody has one, or if anyone wants to buy a single for a center, I'll part with mine and just buy a pair.

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No, Distance and Levels are settings in most receivers when doing a manual speaker setup.
Distance:
In you manual speaker setup, they should be a section for setting the distance that each individual speaker is from the main listening position.
Level:
Either by just listening or preferably using an SPL meter, again in the manual speaker setup, there will be a section that plays test tones to each individual channel and a way to adjust that channels volume level, you want to sit in the main listening position and adjust each level so that all the channels are as close to the same volume in that seat as possible.
Thank for your patience, I assume from my question you know I dont know what I'm doing.. I am setting everything up from scratch.. I have Jeff Meir coming in April to calibrate everything so i just need some basic settings to get me started.
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Thank for your patience, I assume from my question you know I dont know what I'm doing.. I am setting everything up from scratch.. I have Jeff Meir coming in April to calibrate everything so i just need some basic settings to get me started.
No problem, we all started somewhere, the manual setup I described will at least give you a decent experience until you get your calibration done, plus help you familiarize yourself a little bit with your receiver.
What sometimes happens with auto setups and bi-polar speakers is that the reflection from the rear firing driver confuses the program as to the exact location of the speaker, which is how it determines the distance and subsequent delays and speaker levels to balance things out.

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I may have a problem with my day old CS-8060HD center speaker. The LED on the back (which indicates power to the amp) is constantly red and does not turn green (my 8060 towers show green on their LEDs). I have it hooked up via speaker cable only and run at Full Range through my receiver.

I have no issues getting dialog audio out of the center channel. What's strange is that I plugged the LFE out from the receiver to the LFE in on the center channel and the bass is strong via the top mounted powered sub but the LED on the back is still showing red. I even plugged the power cable into another outlet and still nothing.

Do I need to make an exchange or is this a simple fix?
So does anyone have an answer to my center channel issue? Put simply, does your CS8060's rear LED light up green when in use or does it show as red even with audio played through it?

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So does anyone have an answer to my center channel issue? Put simply, does your CS8060's rear LED light up green when in use or does it show as red even with audio played through it?
Mine never turns green. When it gets a signal the led comes on and glows red. When it goes to sleep the led turns off. Same as my Mythos STS' leds.

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Anyone in here run towers as wides. Trying to get an idea what's a good starting point. What's the less they should be away from mains.
Anyone chime in like to hear some input :-)
Prior to changing over to multiple surrounds I ran one of my pairs of BP-10's as Wides, set them up at about 45?-50? from center. They worked very well, tried them both forward and side firing, forward firing would work well if that channel was discrete, but since it's matrixed, the wider dispersion of side firing seemed to give a better sense of "fill".

Since my current receiver only supports 9.2 channels, I was left with manually switching back and forth between highs or wides depending on what I was watching, because of the size of my room I found myself really wanting both, but even with external amplification my receiver just won't run both at the same time, but it does have a setting for virtual Wides, this is what gave me the idea for multiple surrounds, basically I wired my BP-10's in with my BP-20's to my surround channels, moved the 10's to about 65?-70? from center and the 20's to about 100?, and ran the receiver with Heights and Virtual Wides, sounds almost exactly like wides themselves but now I get them and heights at the same time.

Oh, I'm still looking for a single SM-450 if anybody has one, or if anyone wants to buy a single for a center, I'll part with mine and just buy a pair.
Still have some adjusting a bit but here's what it will look like. Thx for your help
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Galvatron Type R- i've also got the ST8060 towers & CS8060 center- i asked DT folks when i 1st got mine the same question about red turning to green light on the 8060 towers but only red on the center 8060- DT said that's normal & way they're designed- the CS8060 doesn't turn green- the red stays on to indicate power- while the towers turn green when sub amp turns on.

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Mine never turns green. When it gets a signal the led comes on and glows red. When it goes to sleep the led turns off. Same as my Mythos STS' leds.
Thanks for the replies. It looks like you guys saved me a call to Definitive.

On a side note, I upgraded from B&Ws to Definitive Tech and while the sound quality is better (especially with greater bass response from the 8060 towers), the overall improvement is only marginal and not phenomenal.

I guess the B&Ws are already great speakers to begin with so I shouldn't have expected an earth shattering difference but I was expecting a more noticeable improvement.

Oh well, they're still excellent speakers that I will keep for years.

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I'm currently running with a Marantz 5009 receiver and a 5.1 deftech package including a pair of 8060ST's. However there seems to be a problem with the towers. The speakers worked fine for around a month until I started noticing problems. The speakers are connected to the receiver with audio quest X2 wire. A few weeks ago i noticed that the lights on the back of the towers were solid red and no sound was coming out of the subs. It seems if i unplug the speakers for 5 minutes (speaker wire and power), that the green light comes on and boom subs are working. This doesn't seem right to me. Does anyone have any suggestions? I would really appreciate some help!
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Anyone in here run towers as wides. Trying to get an idea what's a good starting point. What's the less they should be away from mains.
Anyone chime in like to hear some input :-)
Prior to changing over to multiple surrounds I ran one of my pairs of BP-10's as Wides, set them up at about 45?-50? from center. They worked very well, tried them both forward and side firing, forward firing would work well if that channel was discrete, but since it's matrixed, the wider dispersion of side firing seemed to give a better sense of "fill".

Since my current receiver only supports 9.2 channels, I was left with manually switching back and forth between highs or wides depending on what I was watching, because of the size of my room I found myself really wanting both, but even with external amplification my receiver just won't run both at the same time, but it does have a setting for virtual Wides, this is what gave me the idea for multiple surrounds, basically I wired my BP-10's in with my BP-20's to my surround channels, moved the 10's to about 65?-70? from center and the 20's to about 100?, and ran the receiver with Heights and Virtual Wides, sounds almost exactly like wides themselves but now I get them and heights at the same time.

Oh, I'm still looking for a single SM-450 if anybody has one, or if anyone wants to buy a single for a center, I'll part with mine and just buy a pair.
Altl off why don't u use the preouts on receiver to go 11 channel that's what I'm going to this weekend and yes my receiver is only 9.2 also
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Sm450 heights all In pioneer
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Hello,
I own a pair of BP7000SC and keep getting an out of phase error when setting up my Denon receiver. Does anyone know the polarity of the orange,white, gray, brown wires that connect on the inside of the amp plate?

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Altl off why don't u use the preouts on receiver to go 11 channel that's what I'm going to this weekend and yes my receiver is only 9.2 also
Pioneer sc79
Bp7000
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Clr3000 all preouts in my Rotel 1095

Bpvx surrounds
Sm450 rear surrounds
Sm450 heights all In pioneer
It wouldn't matter, my receiver (Pioneer sc1522k) still won't play both channels at the same time, without doing it the way I am I'd still have to decide between the two.

As a side note, I finally got all of my height layer wired in, even though is still only 9.2, having both upper and lower surround sounds great, can't wait to get the next receiver and go to true immersive audio.

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I own a pair of BP7000SC and keep getting an out of phase error when setting up my Denon receiver. Does anyone know the polarity of the orange,white, gray, brown wires that connect on the inside of the amp plate?

Thanks
My old pioneer also gave me this error with my 7001's. It is because of the bi polar speakers. Just ignore it and keep going.

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