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Just put all the speakers I have for sale in the classifieds section:
F.S. Many different DefTech Speakers, Bookshelves, center and Surrounds

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Just posted my Mythos ST-L's for sale

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Just put all the speakers I have for sale in the classifieds section:
F.S. Many different DefTech Speakers, Bookshelves, center and Surrounds
Whoa....why?

Edit: Ok, perhaps I interpreted that wrong. Doesn't look like you put ALL your speakers up for sale, just a few.

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Whoa....why?

Edit: Ok, perhaps I interpreted that wrong. Doesn't look like you put ALL your speakers up for sale, just a few.
Lol, right, it's everything I've upgraded out of, I've only got so many rooms....

You'll have to pry my towers out of my cold dead hands...

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Thank you for the pics of the atmos setup.

I didnt realize they went on the front and the rears.

Id probably only use them on my fronts since my rears are in ceiling. Or i might just cut some more holes in my ceiling when i upgrade my receiver.

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Thank you for the pics of the atmos setup.

I didnt realize they went on the front and the rears.

Id probably only use them on my fronts since my rears are in ceiling. Or i might just cut some more holes in my ceiling when i upgrade my receiver.
Or, you could just add some ear level surrounds and use the in-ceiling for you Top's. Even if there not optimal in placement that "may" be able to be dealt with with room correction.

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Just posted my Mythos ST-L's for sale

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Want to trade for a BP7000's setup
lol, nope cash=king!
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Gotcha, GL, seems like a good deal with the parts lol
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I posted this in the Mythos thread but got no response, thought maybe I would ask here:

I have a dedicated home theater room and am currently using DefTech Procinema speakers. Room is 10 x 20 and my front wall is almost wall to wall screen. I'm using the ProCenter 1000's as LCR. I have Mythos Gems for side surrounds and 8040BP Surrounds for rear (originally the BP surrounds were going to be for side surround, but I have to keep a walk way to my theater seats so only the Gems fit.)

What would be some suggestions on the next upgrade path sticking with DefTech. The frontstage will need to be fairly narrow (I have a 133" 16x9 Dalite screen on the front 10ft wall.) I never noticed any deficiencies but since I'm now running a Denon X7200 it seems like I could do better for my front stoundstage. (I am using Tannoy DC speakers for Atmos Height speakers.) I have two subs an SVS PB12 and a Boston Acoustic HPS 12ho.

I'm thinking the minimum would be to go with Procenter 2000s instead of 1000s, but I'm also interested in either the Mythos series or BP series and preferably used or refurbed. How good are some of the earlier BP or Mythos models and how do they compare with what is current product from DefTech?
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Hm, I would do two things before seeking recommendations:

1. Determine a budget range for your L/C/R. Prices for Mythos and BP series range from a few hundred to several thousand. Try to narrow down your choices based on what you can/want to spend
2. Think about a long term plan. Right now in your room you have 3 different generations of Def Tech drivers plus Tannoy speakers. Personally, I'd be thinking about how to get a more coherent sound overall whether that means moving all your speakers to BP series or all of them to mythos series. You don't have to do it all at once, but long-term goals/restraints may guide you in a different direction.

You mentioned the procenter2000 to replace your procenter1000's. Though they are a better speaker, if I'm going to the trouble and expense of upgrading, I'd aim for a bigger upgrade than that.

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Thanks for your help. I'm thinking used/refurb market. I could spend no more than around $400 each for good used speakers for fronts. I understand about picking a series. I just wondered how some of the old models, e.g. BP6 and 8's, or Mythos One and Two compare to current models. Right now the 8040 surrounds are the odd man out, but they seem beefier than the Mythos, however, the Mythos would probably work better long term for narrow space I have to put up a front stage.
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Thanks for your help. I'm thinking used/refurb market. I could spend no more than around $400 each for good used speakers for fronts. I understand about picking a series. I just wondered how some of the old models, e.g. BP6 and 8's, or Mythos One and Two compare to current models. Right now the 8040 surrounds are the odd man out, but they seem beefier than the Mythos, however, the Mythos would probably work better long term for narrow space I have to put up a front stage.
Gotcha. So how are your speakers arranged? It doesn't sound like you have an AT screen. Do you have the L/R next to the screen and the center below the screen?

I can't be too much help with the older BP's as I've only heard them a few times and it was 4 or 5 years ago. I know the current BP series pretty well. I like them a lot and they can handle almost any crossover because of the powered woofers. They would also be the easiest match to your 8040's. However, refurbs will likely be a bit above your price range though patience on the used market may give you the price you're looking for. plus, there is a matching center for them. I think the biggest issue with any of the BP series (current or older) is that since they are bi-polar, placement in relation to the walls is very important. Without much room to play with, you may find optimizing them difficult. They certainly won't sound bad, but just may not be able to get the best out of them.

I am definitely in the minority in that I was never that fond of the mythos series until the big ST-L's came out but I know most on here like them a lot.

$400 will get you some pretty nice used Def Techs, lots of options from their refurb seller too. One option that you may want to consider is the studio monitor series (same drivers as the current BP series). Depending on how your speakers are positioned, you could get 3 of the new(ish) flagship SM65's for $259 per speaker from bajawaverunner or you could do 2 SM65's plus the CS8060 ($400).
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Thanks for your help. I'm thinking used/refurb market. I could spend no more than around $400 each for good used speakers for fronts. I understand about picking a series. I just wondered how some of the old models, e.g. BP6 and 8's, or Mythos One and Two compare to current models. Right now the 8040 surrounds are the odd man out, but they seem beefier than the Mythos, however, the Mythos would probably work better long term for narrow space I have to put up a front stage.
Well I own BP 7001-Sc's they are big and bipolar design really asks for at least 1 ft on the sides ( at least) and hopefully 1-2 ft of forant wall to get the most of the bipolar design to form nice wide soundstage, but I dont think these will fit if you screen is wall-to wall, so direct firing monitors might be better choice.

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@billqs It might also be a good idea to either decide to include front towers or are you specifically looking for speakers to mount.

I agree it isnt worth it to upgrade from the 1000 to the 2000. If i remember correctly when I purchased my bedroom setup i was talked down from the 2000 because it wasnt really worth the extra coin.

If you already have two subs then adding towers with powered subs might be overkill. (not IMO) but probably most. Just a thought.

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Hey guys, just an FYI...I am looking to buy a couple of CLR 3000's. Does anyone have a couple they want to unload? I will be using them for wides. I am going to replace my StudioMonitor 450's with the CLR 3000s. I had a chance to buy some from James' friend awhile back but dropped the ball on making up my mind.

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Do you not like the SM450's? I don't think the CLR3000 are worth it for wides. I had three at one point but sold two. My AVR doesn't support wides but I ran them in stereo for a little while. They sounded ok, but I liked the liveliness of the BP7000SC better. The CLR3000's are too big and heavy making them a bit unstable on a stand too. Besides this they should be crossover, which mean you're now only using the mids and highs anyway... Might be best of keeping the SM450's else going with another pair of BP7000's or BP7001's.
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@billqs It might also be a good idea to either decide to include front towers or are you specifically looking for speakers to mount.

I agree it isnt worth it to upgrade from the 1000 to the 2000. If i remember correctly when I purchased my bedroom setup i was talked down from the 2000 because it wasnt really worth the extra coin.

If you already have two subs then adding towers with powered subs might be overkill. (not IMO) but probably most. Just a thought.
I know some DefTech towers are narrow. I only have 5 inches of clearance on each side and 3 1/2 inches of black screen border. Currently, that allows me the ability to fit the ProCenters on each side and toe-in for MLP. Would that be realistic for towers? I know BP's are out of the questions since the room is so narrow and clearance is tight. Most Mythos on walls I've seen are flat next to flat screens. I don't know how that would work for Mythos Towers. I'm open to suggestions, but it's sounding like I'll need an on-wall solution. Kind of a shame since I really like the idea of the built-in subwoofer in the towers that some models feature (though not near my price-range.)
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Yes, sounds like the BP towers are out because of their size, as far as the Mythos towers are concerned they may work, the One's I just got are excellent and are only 6" wide & 6" deep (except the base) and these are the widest of the older Mythos towers, you may be able to find some in your price range, the One's that is, I just picked up an entire 5.0 with the One's, a Three and some Gems for just over $800.
If you think you may want to go this way you'd want to look for the One's, Four's or Five's, (Ones are 5.25", Fours are 4.5", Fives are 3.5") they would match well with your surrounds also.
As far as bookshelves, any of the Studio Monitors would actually work because of your subs but with your budget I'd opt for 65's or 450's as a first choice.
Oh, I also listened to the Three I got as a center, it's actually pretty good and would make a good center for any of the Mythos towers. Honestly if I had a need for another surround setup I'd use the whole package I just bought I was really surprised in how good it sounded, but I just wanted the One's for my living room.
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@billqs It might also be a good idea to either decide to include front towers or are you specifically looking for speakers to mount.

I agree it isnt worth it to upgrade from the 1000 to the 2000. If i remember correctly when I purchased my bedroom setup i was talked down from the 2000 because it wasnt really worth the extra coin.

If you already have two subs then adding towers with powered subs might be overkill. (not IMO) but probably most. Just a thought.
The PC 2000 is definitely worth the upgrade from the PM 1000. This thread covers that extensively.

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My bad on the 1000 to 2000 info. Guess memory did not serve correctly.

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My bad on the 1000 to 2000 info. Guess memory did not serve correctly.
No worries....I read way too many threads before I bought my Def Techs for my home theater.

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I appreciate all the help, guys! I thought I had read that the ProCenter 2000 was regularly suggested as an upgrade over the ProCenter 1000, but I'm unsure of the differences. Also, I am very interested in Mythos Towers, I really liked the look of the Ones I saw on a certain auction site, but wanted more information before I took the plunge.

Am I correct that the Mythos series is a step up from the Procinema line? Like I said before, what I have is not bad, but I'm looking to see if an upgrade might make the soundstage a bit more revealing, if that makes sense.
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This may be a bad idea, but what about using 3 CS-8060's for a front stage. Are they omni-mountable like the CLR line? That would give me the speaker with sub but still relatively wall friendly.
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This may be a bad idea, but what about using 3 CS-8060's for a front stage. Are they omni-mountable like the CLR line? That would give me the speaker with sub but still relatively wall friendly.
Might sound ok but not ideal. Can you not get a real subwoofer? What about Mythos speakers?
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Yes, sounds like the BP towers are out because of their size, as far as the Mythos towers are concerned they may work, the One's I just got are excellent and are only 6" wide & 6" deep (except the base) and these are the widest of the older Mythos towers, you may be able to find some in your price range, the One's that is, I just picked up an entire 5.0 with the One's, a Three and some Gems for just over $800.
If you think you may want to go this way you'd want to look for the One's, Four's or Five's, (Ones are 5.25", Fours are 4.5", Fives are 3.5") they would match well with your surrounds also.
As far as bookshelves, any of the Studio Monitors would actually work because of your subs but with your budget I'd opt for 65's or 450's as a first choice.
Oh, I also listened to the Three I got as a center, it's actually pretty good and would make a good center for any of the Mythos towers. Honestly if I had a need for another surround setup I'd use the whole package I just bought I was really surprised in how good it sounded, but I just wanted the One's for my living room.
Would SM 350s work well with a 2002CLR? They appear to use similar drivers. I'm taking it that the 5.25 drivers in these provide a lot fuller frontstage above where the subs I have would come in. Do they Mythos really work well with such tiny drivers and shallow depth? The Mythos Gems sound fine, but according to Audessey they cross at 150 hz which is pretty high. Mythos would probably look better on either side and below the screen but I worry about the sound.
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I posted this in the Mythos thread but got no response, thought maybe I would ask here:

I have a dedicated home theater room and am currently using DefTech Procinema speakers. Room is 10 x 20 and my front wall is almost wall to wall screen. I'm using the ProCenter 1000's as LCR. I have Mythos Gems for side surrounds and 8040BP Surrounds for rear (originally the BP surrounds were going to be for side surround, but I have to keep a walk way to my theater seats so only the Gems fit.)

What would be some suggestions on the next upgrade path sticking with DefTech. The frontstage will need to be fairly narrow (I have a 133" 16x9 Dalite screen on the front 10ft wall.) I never noticed any deficiencies but since I'm now running a Denon X7200 it seems like I could do better for my front stoundstage. (I am using Tannoy DC speakers for Atmos Height speakers.) I have two subs an SVS PB12 and a Boston Acoustic HPS 12ho.

I'm thinking the minimum would be to go with Procenter 2000s instead of 1000s, but I'm also interested in either the Mythos series or BP series and preferably used or refurbed. How good are some of the earlier BP or Mythos models and how do they compare with what is current product from DefTech?
That is a lot of receiver. Any chance to return the 7200, pick up a 4100/5200 and reinvest the difference back into the speaker budget? Chances are that would give you a better ROI (unless you absolutely need HDCP 2.2 and an AVR right now).

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