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post #32761 of 32790 Old 05-07-2015, 06:35 AM
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@billqs It might help some of the folks in here, me included if you posted a pic of the setup and room. Just a thought.
I'll try to take a pic this evening when I'm home to show what is up. I made a conscious effort to put as much screen on the wall as possible & actually had to downgrade my screen size from 154" to 133" when we enclosed the room in. (Only one rule from wife- cars must still fit in the garage!) That's why the room is so narrow. I have five inches on either side and the center is mounted under the screen. The screen almost hits the ceiling. So, 5 inches on either side of the screen and 3 1/2 of border is all I have. Any more and I'll be running into the overshoot from the projector.

You guys have been wonderful with your suggestions! We have a great community here at AVS forum and being a member of many other fora, I can say this level of positive help is definitely out of the norm- and extremely welcome!
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Actually, I made my purchases. I'm getting a pair of Studio Monitor 350s and a C2 Center. This will give me a frontstage with all 5.25 mid-woofers which should work well.
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I recently upgraded all my speakers and at the time, my entertainment center could only hold the ProCenter 2000. I actually have a different entertainment center arriving this next week that has a 24" wide opening for the center. My previous was only 20". So I'm wondering if it's worth the cost to upgrade to a better center. Another Studio Monitor 65 (on it's side)? A CS8060 or CS8040? Or would any of these be worth the cost of upgrade over the ProCenter 2000 that I have now?
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I recently upgraded all my speakers and at the time, my entertainment center could only hold the ProCenter 2000. I actually have a different entertainment center arriving this next week that has a 24" wide opening for the center. My previous was only 20". So I'm wondering if it's worth the cost to upgrade to a better center. Another Studio Monitor 65 (on it's side)? A CS8060 or CS8040? Or would any of these be worth the cost of upgrade over the ProCenter 2000 that I have now?
Looking at the distance you have the 65s apart have you tried phantom CC mode. I have an 8080 and go back and forth on whether to keep it or use my 65s without it. They actually sound much better, it's just I can tell in any other position but the MLP.

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I recently upgraded all my speakers and at the time, my entertainment center could only hold the ProCenter 2000. I actually have a different entertainment center arriving this next week that has a 24" wide opening for the center. My previous was only 20". So I'm wondering if it's worth the cost to upgrade to a better center. Another Studio Monitor 65 (on it's side)? A CS8060 or CS8040? Or would any of these be worth the cost of upgrade over the ProCenter 2000 that I have now?
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Looking at the distance you have the 65s apart have you tried phantom CC mode. I have an 8080 and go back and forth on whether to keep it or use my 65s without it. They actually sound much better, it's just I can tell in any other position but the MLP.
^^This^^ is actually a pretty good idea since the 65's image so well, but.....
Before you do anything, try the PC-2000 in the new cabinet, because of where you have it and the side radiators, the extra space of the new cabinet may really change the sound of the 2000.
If you still want to change it, I'd stay away from a center with a powered woofer, simply because they don't like being buried in a cabinet, they need to breathe, I'd look at a vintage C-2 or CLR-2002, since they are front ported. (And for an exact match, you could always swap out to the new matching tweeter in one of those, that would be the only thing that may make them sound slightly different).

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Guess i never realized how much bigger the 2000 is over the 1000. Thanks for the pic.

Finally mounting my TV in the living room this weekend so I can use my CLR2002 instead of the 1000. The 1000 fits in front of my Tv.

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Using the Sanus SF26's with the top plate from the SF22's (8"x8.5" instead of 6"x6.5"). I drilled through the top plate and the tube to run the speaker wires hidden. They normally run down the backside of the units.

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^^This^^ is actually a pretty good idea since the 65's image so well, but.....
Before you do anything, try the PC-2000 in the new cabinet, because of where you have it and the side radiators, the extra space of the new cabinet may really change the sound of the 2000.
If you still want to change it, I'd stay away from a center with a powered woofer, simply because they don't like being buried in a cabinet, they need to breathe, I'd look at a vintage C-2 or CLR-2002, since they are front ported. (And for an exact match, you could always swap out to the new matching tweeter in one of those, that would be the only thing that may make them sound slightly different).
Yeah I noticed they did very well in phantom mode while in the store, however like Lowell said, in any other position besides the MLP, it wouldn't work.

Good point though on playing with the PC2000 and the new Entertainment Center with wider space, it might actually sound a bit better with more room. It doesn't sound bad now, I just wonder if I'm missing anything by not moving to something like the 8040 or another SM65 and my only concern with moving away from the PC2000 to something like the CS8040 is driver size...5.25 down to 4.5.

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Yeah I noticed they did very well in phantom mode while in the store, however like Lowell said, in any other position besides the MLP, it wouldn't work.

Good point though on playing with the PC2000 and the new Entertainment Center with wider space, it might actually sound a bit better with more room. It doesn't sound bad now, I just wonder if I'm missing anything by not moving to something like the 8040 or another SM65 and my only concern with moving away from the PC2000 to something like the CS8040 is driver size...5.25 down to 4.5.
Personally I think the 8040 would def. be a step down, IMO there's no way 4.5" drivers and an upward firing base radiator would sound as good, esp. burried in a cabinet, maybe the 8060, but again not in a cabinet, you wouldn't be allowing the powered woofer to compensate for the smaller drivers.

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Why not the CLR 2002? Will it not fit in the new space?

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Hello everyone, I recently bought two 8060ST Towers and the 8060 Center channel. Today I am hooking them up and noticed that only one tower's light turns Green and Sub works. The other tower and center channel light stays red and the subs don't work. I've been trying to search for a solution but haven't seen any yet. I have left the speakers unplugged for over an hour before plugging them in and trying again. Verified the speaker wires are connected properly and checked the fuses. Any help would be great. Tried calling Def Tech but it seems they are closed on Saturdays. Thanks in advanced.
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Hello everyone, I recently bought two 8060ST Towers and the 8060 Center channel. Today I am hooking them up and noticed that only one tower's light turns Green and Sub works. The other tower and center channel light stays red and the subs don't work. I've been trying to search for a solution but haven't seen any yet. I have left the speakers unplugged for over an hour before plugging them in and trying again. Verified the speaker wires are connected properly and checked the fuses. Any help would be great. Tried calling Def Tech but it seems they are closed on Saturdays. Thanks in advanced.
First thing I would do is connect the speakers that aren't working to the wiring for the speaker that was, this will absolutely verify it's a speaker issue and not a source, wiring or receiver setting or issue.

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Hello everyone, I recently bought two 8060ST Towers and the 8060 Center channel. Today I am hooking them up and noticed that only one tower's light turns Green and Sub works. The other tower and center channel light stays red and the subs don't work. I've been trying to search for a solution but haven't seen any yet. I have left the speakers unplugged for over an hour before plugging them in and trying again. Verified the speaker wires are connected properly and checked the fuses. Any help would be great. Tried calling Def Tech but it seems they are closed on Saturdays. Thanks in advanced.
Well, the RCA on the CS-8060HD only has the one color, red, and off. If the red LED comes on then the amp is powering up. Are you sure you aren't getting anything from the subs?

Try running an RCA cable from either a preout or the sub out on your AVR to the LFE portion of the speakers and disconnect the speaker wire, then run test tones or bass heavy music. If the amps really aren't coming on then you won't get any sound. If you get sound, then the amps/subs aren't the problem. Always nice to eliminate variables.

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Even though I got my new sound stage bought, I thought I would still attach a pic of the current front stage so you can see the narrow room that's there. In the pic are 3 ProCenter 1000s which are my current sound stage.
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MikeS54: I had a similar issue with my center 8080HD. After trying multiple fixes via trial and error it turned out the amp for the "subs" in the center channel was the issue. Def Tech was wonderful and sent out a new amp which I easily replaced. Once I did that I no longer had any issues and the speaker works perfectly. The light only stays "red" when the speaker isn't receiving a signal (which is rare). Otherwise it turns green (and note that I'm only using speaker cable - no RCA cables). Hope this helps!
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Even though I got my new sound stage bought, I thought I would still attach a pic of the current front stage so you can see the narrow room that's there. In the pic are 3 ProCenter 1000s which are my current sound stage.
yep, it is narrow, I guess it is too late now that the new speakers are on the way butt another option could have been ( although would require more work) trying to buy and install in-walls just under the screen like DI 5.5 LCR or similar.

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yep, it is narrow, I guess it is too late now that the new speakers are on the way butt another option could have been ( although would require more work) trying to buy and install in-walls just under the screen like DI 5.5 LCR or similar.
Interesting idea. I had possibly looked at in walls for surround purposes because the narrow walkway to my 2 rows of seats, but ended up using Mythos Gems in the gap between the rows so people could still get by.

I think I want on walls for the front sound stage so I'm not counting on just the right amount of infinite baffle space to get good bass performance. I did go with in-ceilings for my height speakers more out of necessity than anything else. Maybe one day I will try a completely "invisible" array of speakers, but not this go round. Thanks for the idea though... with a narrow room in wall & in ceiling make a lot of sense.
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MikeS54: I had a similar issue with my center 8080HD. After trying multiple fixes via trial and error it turned out the amp for the "subs" in the center channel was the issue. Def Tech was wonderful and sent out a new amp which I easily replaced. Once I did that I no longer had any issues and the speaker works perfectly. The light only stays "red" when the speaker isn't receiving a signal (which is rare). Otherwise it turns green (and note that I'm only using speaker cable - no RCA cables). Hope this helps!
I don't know about the CS-8080HD, but MikeS54 stated he has the 8060. I have the same center and can confirm that at least on that speaker the LED is only off or on (Red). This has come up before as the towers in the BP line have LED's that turn green, which is different.

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Galvatron Type R- i've also got the ST8060 towers & CS8060 center- i asked DT folks when i 1st got mine the same question about red turning to green light on the 8060 towers but only red on the center 8060- DT said that's normal & way they're designed- the CS8060 doesn't turn green- the red stays on to indicate power- while the towers turn green when sub amp turns on.

Sometimes it took some loud music for light on 8060 towers to turn green- wasn't right away- they said turn the sub level on receiver up to 3db or so- to make them turn on quickly when playing. hope this helps
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That is correct. My center channel behaves this way, which is different from the 8060 towers. I contacted Def Tech, and they confirmed that this was the normal operation of the center channels.

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Hey guys, I just bought a center channel speaker for the first time to replace my old Aiwa speaker that is 20 years now. So I just got the 1000, and I am very please with the power and sound quality it provides and it hasn't been broken in yet and it's been running on my Onkyo TX-SR313 so far. I'm going to hook up this up to my Yamaha RX-830 in my living room soon and hear what it truly is capable of.

I chose the ProCenter 1000 over the Martin Logan Motion 8 and over the Bowers and Wilkins HTM62 center speaker. I went to the Magnolia at Best Buy today with my mind set on the B&W HTM62 only to be a bit disappointed by it when I got the chance to hear the 1000 over that one, and the Motion 8 sounded like a tin can. Eventually I chose the 1000 and I bought it at a great price.

So there a few questions about setting this speaker up properly.

1. Should I set the ProCenter 1000 to Large or Small on the speaker configuration? If set to small, what would the recommended crossover?

2. Why can't the treble be adjusted at all? Does the speaker lock that setting on your receiver or something?
Not sure about your treble issue, but I would set the 1000 to small and around 100. Alot depends on your subs. I have a CS8080 set to 100 because of my configuration.

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I agree with both of @LowellG response.

Congrats on getting yourself a Def Tech speaker. Now you will find yourself slowly replacing all of your speakers with them.


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Need Mounting help with SR-8080BP's. I purchased a set of 8080BP's that I am going to use as high fronts. I am having the hardest time with figuring out a good mounting bracket to get for them. I don't want to use the keyhole for mounting to the wall because I want to angle them down a little. Everything I look at seems to be for little plastic speakers. Anyone have suggestions for me to mount these?
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Need Mounting help with SR-8080BP's. I purchased a set of 8080BP's that I am going to use as high fronts. I am having the hardest time with figuring out a good mounting bracket to get for them. I don't want to use the keyhole for mounting to the wall because I want to angle them down a little. Everything I look at seems to be for little plastic speakers. Anyone have suggestions for me to mount these?
These maybe?
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Exclamation Unreal epic fail

Here's one for the books, baby.
Recently i posted that one of my surrounds, a pro monitor 1000 mounted on a deftech in the wall mount "broke" and needed repair.
I did bring it back to Best Buy as it was only 4 years old and still under the 5 year Deftech warranty. Of course they didn't replace it, (what a shock), and sent it to their Geek repair center where they ordered what turned out to be a new woofer from Deftech.
It seems to be fixed just fine now.

But THIS is the story that is one for the books as to how the epic fail went down.

I was watching Interstellar on Blu Ray. The loud transients were insane. Here's the good part. All of a sudden the speaker started emitting an ear splitting noise. Then, drumroll please,
the speaker mount blew outta the wall. Yes, the movie blew the whole mount held in by 2 hefty drywall mollies and 2 hefty screws completely outta the wall and the speaker was dangling by the wires. I rushed to just catch it before it hit the ground - barely!

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Heeheehee, I guess those drivers were movin'....

I had some decorations fall off the wall during the black hole sequence, but I sort of expect stuff like that considering my setup....

Time for an upgrade maybe?

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A speaker that fell because a speaker mount that was only secured to drywall would not be covered by any speaker manufacture. Can you not move the speaker a few inches and hit a stud?

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Got my Denon back from upgrade and got to try out the Studiomonitor 350's and C2 Center that also just arrived. I'm very impressed. I quickly connected the speakers and played Barenaked Ladies "Brian Wilson". It sounded great with nice bass that was perfectly blended with the speakers. Then I found out why- The subwoofers were off. I was getting quality bass just from the 350's and the C2 Now playing some other recordings that were more bass heavy (Butthole Surfers "Pepper" and NIN "Down in it") and found out that a sub is still very useful for heavy processed bass. But on acoustic "folky " music it presented a wonderful front stage even on it's own.

I finally got hold of my dream speakers, some well-priced vintage M&K S150s, so I'm looking forward to demoing them against the DefTech 350s when the M&Ks make it in. Should be quite a battle!
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BTW, those that owned both Def Tech an M&K, wht are your experiences? I expect a pretty different sound for several reasons, mostly due to a much different tweeter and a lower crossover in the M&Ks. Also, Ive heard M&K are very neutral and are more likely to reveal defiencies in recordings, whereas one of DTs strengths is that it can make mediore recordings sound great. Love to hear some thoughts without steering the thread too far OT.
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Got my Denon back from upgrade and got to try out the Studiomonitor 350's and C2 Center that also just arrived. I'm very impressed. I quickly connected the speakers and played Barenaked Ladies "Brian Wilson". It sounded great with nice bass that was perfectly blended with the speakers. Then I found out why- The subwoofers were off. I was getting quality bass just from the 350's and the C2 Now playing some other recordings that were more bass heavy (Butthole Surfers "Pepper" and NIN "Down in it") and found out that a sub is still very useful for heavy processed bass. But on acoustic "folky " music it presented a wonderful front stage even on it's own.

I finally got hold of my dream speakers, some well-priced vintage M&K S150s, so I'm looking forward to demoing them against the DefTech 350s when the M&Ks make it in. Should be quite a battle!
Good to hear, I still think that the 350's are one of the most musical bookshelves DefTech ever made.

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The 350's really do sound great! Very musical and a definite upgrade from the ProCenter 1000s I was using for left and right fronts!
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