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Hello all.
I own a CS8080. My question is regarding the rca plug on the back. I know the use of this cable is optional. I am just curious. Is it better if I use it along with the speaker cable? What is the purpose of this connection?

Currently I have them both connected but I noticed no change if the cable is connected or not.

Thank you in advance.
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Hello all.
I own a CS8080. My question is regarding the rca plug on the back. I know the use of this cable is optional. I am just curious. Is it better if I use it along with the speaker cable? What is the purpose of this connection?

Currently I have them both connected but I noticed no change if the cable is connected or not.

Thank you in advance.
The manual on the CS8060 says not to use it, as it is not a true subwoofer. But they do show it hooked up to a speaker pre-out...I see no reason to use it, as you have found out it makes no difference.

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Where are you seeing these prices? I clicked on the individual links, but don't see anything like these prices? Could you please provide a link for say, the CS8080HD?


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Sorry guys, don't know what happened, all those prices are now gone and back to the baja norm.

Don't know what happened, I'm going to edit my post.

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Sorry guys, don't know what happened, ask those prices are now gone and back to the baja norm.

Don't know what happened, I'm going to edit my post.

No worries - you just got me very excited for a few seconds.


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No worries - you just got me very excited for a few seconds.


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The manual on the CS8060 says not to use it, as it is not a true subwoofer. But they do show it hooked up to a speaker pre-out...I see no reason to use it, as you have found out it makes no difference.

Thank you for the information.
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Thanks in advance for input/info.

So, I've done a search, but haven't quite found what I'm looking for. New house will be finished soon and I got the go-ahead to buy all new speakers to replace 15 yr old Infinity RS-5's and a PC350 center. I'm forced to go with in ceiling speakers for the sides and surrounds. I also have an SVS PC12-nsd as my sub.

Anyway, I'm looking very hard at the Def Tech 8060st towers and either a cs8060 or cs8080 for the center. I currently have a Denon AVR890 with 105wpc. Will that be ok to power those towers? I've also looked at the Focal 726/727 towers with the CC700 center.

What are your thoughts on the BP8060st towers?? Def Tech has some serious price slashing right now so I figured I should jump on it.

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Thanks in advance for input/info.

So, I've done a search, but haven't quite found what I'm looking for. New house will be finished soon and I got the go-ahead to buy all new speakers to replace 15 yr old Infinity RS-5's and a PC350 center. I'm forced to go with in ceiling speakers for the sides and surrounds. I also have an SVS PC12-nsd as my sub.

Anyway, I'm looking very hard at the Def Tech 8060st towers and either a cs8060 or cs8080 for the center. I currently have a Denon AVR890 with 105wpc. Will that be ok to power those towers? I've also looked at the Focal 726/727 towers with the CC700 center.

What are your thoughts on the BP8060st towers?? Def Tech has some serious price slashing right now so I figured I should jump on it.

Thank you in advance
I have the 8060 towers and I can say they are very easy to drive, your AVR should work just fine. I ran them from a Yamaha RX-A2020 for a long time and they sounded very good. I paid full price for them and feel they were worth it, at a reduced price they will be a great value.

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Just what I was hoping to hear!! Thanks.
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Hi,

I was trying to buy a Def Tech CS8060HD center speaker at Best Buy but they are no longer orderable in their system, and they've been told that both the CS8060 and the CS8080 centers will be replaced soon this spring. I'm trying to decide whether to wait or get another.

Does anyone know what they'll be replacing those center speakers with? I have the 8060ST towers and need a center to match them with.

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New Def Tech Centers coming this spring???

Hi,

I was trying to buy a Def Tech CS8060HD center speaker at Best Buy but they are no longer orderable in their system, and they've been told that both the CS8060 and the CS8080 centers will be replaced soon this spring. I'm trying to decide whether to wait or get another.

Does anyone know what they'll be replacing those center speakers with? I have the 8060ST towers and need a center to match them with.

Thanks!
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I use two sets of BPX in my setup and really like them. Always wanted to get my hands on a pair of BPVX but haven't been successful yet. They would match up better with the bp30s and CLR2000 that I use. Though they are old I haven't felt the need to upgrade. Really like the 6.5 drivers.
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I own a CS8080. My question is regarding the rca plug on the back. I know the use of this cable is optional. I am just curious. Is it better if I use it along with the speaker cable? What is the purpose of this connection?

Currently I have them both connected but I noticed no change if the cable is connected or not.

Thank you in advance.
Definitely don't feed it an LFE sub out. I do connect it to the center channel pre-out. I can't say it makes any difference at all, but it sure doesn't hurt either. I look at it like a fail safe to make sure the woofer is getting all the signal content possible.

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Hi,

I was trying to buy a Def Tech CS8060HD center speaker at Best Buy but they are no longer orderable in their system, and they've been told that both the CS8060 and the CS8080 centers will be replaced soon this spring. I'm trying to decide whether to wait or get another.

Does anyone know what they'll be replacing those center speakers with? I have the 8060ST towers and need a center to match them with.

Thanks!
There has been some speculation here that the recent sales are signaling a new series from DT. I'd say if you can get a good deal on an 8060 or 8080, you'll be well served.

As far as what might be coming ... I hope it is awesome!! Give me a reason to upgrade, DT! Maybe something like the Golden Ear XXL with a return of 6.5" drivers!
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Definitely don't feed it an LFE sub out. I do connect it to the center channel pre-out. I can't say it makes any difference at all, but it sure doesn't hurt either. I look at it like a fail safe to make sure the woofer is getting all the signal content possible.

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So, I've been wanting to upgrade my center speaker, CS8040HD, for a while now. It never has sounded as good as I thought it should, so I did a near field measurement of it. Looking at the response graph from REW, I now see why, the response of this speaker is horrible...



So, I ordered a CS8060HD from Bajawaverunner as many here suggest them as a source.
I got the 8060 only to find the amp will not turn on I'm now in the process of trying to get it replaced

Ok, I'm done venting now...I get to do the waiting game now

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So, I've been wanting to upgrade my center speaker, CS8040HD, for a while now. It never has sounded as good as I thought it should, so I did a near field measurement of it. Looking at the response graph from REW, I now see why, the response of this speaker is horrible...



So, I ordered a CS8060HD from Bajawaverunner as many here suggest them as a source.
I got the 8060 only to find the amp will not turn on I'm now in the process of trying to get it replaced

Ok, I'm done venting now...I get to do the waiting game now

That sucks about the amp.

IRT measuring, your graph say 6". I'm guessing that is to reduce/eliminate room interactions. With these center channel speaker systems it is going to be tricky though as you need to incorporate the front drivers, the top radiator/driver and the rear port to get a clear picture on what you are actually hearing though. Josh Ricci over at Data-bass.com was some interesting articles on how he measures systems like these.

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That sucks about the amp.

IRT measuring, your graph say 6". I'm guessing that is to reduce/eliminate room interactions. With these center channel speaker systems it is going to be tricky though as you need to incorporate the front drivers, the top radiator/driver and the rear port to get a clear picture on what you are actually hearing though. Josh Ricci over at Data-bass.com was some interesting articles on how he measures systems like these.

Just something to keep in mind.
I hear what you are saying, and yes, 6" is to measure just the speaker.
What I see as the biggest issue is the 5~10db hole between 500hz and 6khz. A center channel should be somewhat flat in this range. I can see the drop off at 165hz being due to mic position, but I don't think that would account for all of it...

FYI, the 8040 doesn't have a rear port, just a passive radiator and DefTech says it's good down to 40hz

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So, I ordered a CS8060HD from Bajawaverunner as many here suggest them as a source.
I got the 8060 only to find the amp will not turn on.
I got my replacement today and this one works
I took a few near field measurements to get the bass close to where it should be and decided to watch a movie instead of doing a new Dirac calibration...That can wait until next week.
My initial impression, greatly improved performance. Voices, both male and female are much eaiser to hear, so far I'm pleased with it. With a little tweaking it will only get better, and then proper calibration, I'll be golden.
The CS8060 is a huge improvement over the CS8040, although I think my 8040 had problems from the get-go...

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I got my replacement today and this one works
I took a few near field measurements to get the bass close to where it should be and decided to watch a movie instead of doing a new Dirac calibration...That can wait until next week.
My initial impression, greatly improved performance. Voices, both male and female are much eaiser to hear, so far I'm pleased with it. With a little tweaking it will only get better, and then proper calibration, I'll be golden.
The CS8060 is a huge improvement over the CS8040, although I think my 8040 had problems from the get-go...
Awesome! For my 8080hd, I ran the Audyssey with the sub volume slightly above 12. After, I increased it to near 3 o'clock and it sounds great. Much richer sound up front now. I just need to upgrade my front l and r to 8080STs. However, I think 8060STs will be good enough and they're cheap from baja.
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Awesome! For my 8080hd, I ran the Audyssey with the sub volume slightly above 12. After, I increased it to near 3 o'clock and it sounds great. Much richer sound up front now. I just need to upgrade my front l and r to 8080STs. However, I think 8060STs will be good enough and they're cheap from baja.
I did some near field measurements and found 10~11 o'clock gave me the flattest response. It does blend well with my 8060ST's.
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I am limited to In-Walls for my L/R Fronts. I currently have DI 6.5S. The only other in-wall that fits that cutout or bigger is the DI 6.5LCR. How much of an upgrade is this? It effectively is adding another 6 1/2 mid woofer to each speaker. How much difference does this make? I currently have the CS-8080HD center and Denon AVR-X1000 receiver in my 5.1 setup.

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7.1 speakers and ceiling speakers

My current HT system is a 5.1 setup. This has been a great HT system for many years, especially when I added the PA. So, The boss lady is now allowing me to upgrade to add rears and ceiling speakers after years of hearing me whine. Are there any rear and ceiling speakers out there that would possibly match my current Def Techs that I have? BP2002TLs, CLR 3000 and BPX surrounds.

The other option,(not approved yet, lol) is to update/upgrade my entire system, with the exception of my amplifier and dedicated sub.
My listening preference is 80% movies and 20% music.

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My current HT system is a 5.1 setup. This has been a great HT system for many years, especially when I added the PA. So, The boss lady is now allowing me to upgrade to add rears and ceiling speakers after years of hearing me whine. Are there any rear and ceiling speakers out there that would possibly match my current Def Techs that I have? BP2002TLs, CLR 3000 and BPX surrounds.

The other option,(not approved yet, lol) is to update/upgrade my entire system, with the exception of my amplifier and dedicated sub.
My listening preference is 80% movies and 20% music.

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Rears - Get a used set of SM350's they would be an exact match to what you have now, not only in drivers, but in appearance. E-bay around $200 pr.)
In-Ceiling - I'm thinking your meaning for immersive audio? If so:
For just 2 (an x.x.2 setup) - UIW RCS-II (or RCS-III, but II's would be better)
For 4 (an x.x.4 setup) - Di-5.5's

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I am limited to In-Walls for my L/R Fronts. I currently have DI 6.5S. The only other in-wall that fits that cutout or bigger is the DI 6.5LCR. How much of an upgrade is this? It effectively is adding another 6 1/2 mid woofer to each speaker. How much difference does this make? I currently have the CS-8080HD center and Denon AVR-X1000 receiver in my 5.1 setup.
It should be a decent improvement, baja has some right now for $330 ea.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Definitive-Tec...773?nav=SEARCH

Either or go "whole hog" with the UIW RLS-II's, baja has them too right now, $545 ea.
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I hear what you are saying, and yes, 6" is to measure just the speaker.
What I see as the biggest issue is the 5~10db hole between 500hz and 6khz. A center channel should be somewhat flat in this range. I can see the drop off at 165hz being due to mic position, but I don't think that would account for all of it...

FYI, the 8040 doesn't have a rear port, just a passive radiator and DefTech says it's good down to 40hz
That dip at 500hz-6khz does stand out. I wonder if this is something that would be corrected by Audyssey or Dirac? It will be interesting to see how your replacement speaker measures too.
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My current HT system is a 5.1 setup. This has been a great HT system for many years, especially when I added the PA. So, The boss lady is now allowing me to upgrade to add rears and ceiling speakers after years of hearing me whine. Are there any rear and ceiling speakers out there that would possibly match my current Def Techs that I have? BP2002TLs, CLR 3000 and BPX surrounds.

The other option,(not approved yet, lol) is to update/upgrade my entire system, with the exception of my amplifier and dedicated sub.
My listening preference is 80% movies and 20% music.

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I don't think updating your system would be a big enough improvement to justify the cost. You have some great gear that holds up well today. BPX are better than the current surrounds. Your 3000 center is on par or maybe a tad better than the current 8080 center. ALtlOff gave some good advice to get used 350's for side surrounds. Or find another set of towers to match your fronts. I don't have enough experience with ceiling speakers to offer advice there.
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That dip at 500hz-6khz does stand out. I wonder if this is something that would be corrected by Audyssey or Dirac? It will be interesting to see how your replacement speaker measures too.
I think the dip is to wide and to deep for room correction software to fix. That said, this type of speaker is hard to measure near field, ported at the rear, bass at the top and mid~high at the front. With the replacement and not running Dirac, it sounds much better. I'll post a graph of the new speaker next time I do some measurements, I didn't save any of the ones I did when dialing it in...

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I'm thing of replacing my sm450 height speakers I'm actually using them as atmos and thinking going with di 8r in ceiling. Anyone done this before. Thoughts ?

Thinking maybe go in wall but maybe a bit closer together than existing sm450's
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I don't think updating your system would be a big enough improvement to justify the cost. You have some great gear that holds up well today. BPX are better than the current surrounds. Your 3000 center is on par or maybe a tad better than the current 8080 center. ALtlOff gave some good advice to get used 350's for side surrounds. Or find another set of towers to match your fronts. I don't have enough experience with ceiling speakers to offer advice there.
I totally agree. He has a really good system. I don't know what he is using for a sub but adding a quality one would be a huge upgrade. I am going to add some di 8s or 6.5s eventually. I can't imagine though that in ceiling speakers sound as good as regular speakers. The shift to Atmos while I like the idea I don't like incorporating inferior speakers into the mix. Vibrations are something I heard is a problem for in ceiling.
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