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I'm starting to build my own surround sound system home theater. Can you guys give me some insight between The mythos STS supertower and the new BP9060. The Mythos is obviously about $400 more expensive but that doesn't mean it's actually a better speaker as the bps are brand new and newer technology.
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I'm starting to build my own surround sound system home theater. Can you guys give me some insight between The mythos STS supertower and the new BP9060. The Mythos is obviously about $400 more expensive but that doesn't mean it's actually a better speaker as the bps are brand new and newer technology.
Have you listened to bi polor Def Techs. Those 2 speakers are just different, their is no other way to put it. The mono vs BP will be noticeable. How far away from the wall front and sides can you put your fronts speakers? What will the reflections be like?

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I'm starting to build my own surround sound system home theater. Can you guys give me some insight between The mythos STS supertower and the new BP9060. The Mythos is obviously about $400 more expensive but that doesn't mean it's actually a better speaker as the bps are brand new and newer technology.
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Have you listened to bi polor Def Techs. Those 2 speakers are just different, their is no other way to put it. The mono vs BP will be noticeable. How far away from the wall front and sides can you put your fronts speakers? What will the reflections be like?
I will be able to have the speakers about a foot off the wall. One speaker will have no wall next to it and the other will be about 2 feet away. Seating area aright in front of them about 10-12 feet away. Assuming your computer took mythos and changed it to mono, correct?

Yes I heard the bps, loved them but can't listen to the mythos anywhere within 100 miles of me...
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I will be able to have the speakers about a foot off the wall. One speaker will have no wall next to it and the other will be about 2 feet away. Seating area aright in front of them about 10-12 feet away. Assuming your computer took mythos and changed it to mono, correct?

Yes I heard the bps, loved them but can't listen to the mythos anywhere within 100 miles of me...
No, I mean mono polar vs bi polar. If you are not going to have similar reflecting surfaces for both bi polars, I would go with the STSs or do what I did and put a good sub under an SM65 and have something way better than an STS.

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What difference would I experience with four SR9040 surrounds vs. four SR9080 surrounds?


Thinking about getting full 9060 frontal. Just not sure about rears.


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What difference would I experience with four SR9040 surrounds vs. four SR9080 surrounds?


Thinking about getting full 9060 frontal. Just not sure about rears.


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I owned the 8080s and I think you will be able to set those at 80 or 60 real easy. The 9040s I am not sure about. However, I sold my 8080s because I prefer monopole over bi pole.

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I definitely sense the bass driver change compared to the 9060. The lows on the 9060's were amazing, but the low end on these seems a bit more balanced and "warmer".. If that makes sense. The mids and highs do seem to be competing less with the low end, and of course the imaging is wonderful.
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Thank you for your review.


My one complaint is that at times the 8060's can be somewhat forward. Others may call it bright or perhaps they are merely revealing the mastering of the source. A somewhat warmer sound would work well with these speakers I would think.

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Here's a weird one, maybe someone could shed some light on. My front l/r mains are pro monitor 1000's. Until yesterday they've resided on a bookshelf. Wanting better sound I got the Def tech stands, mounted them and re ran audyssey.
For some odd reason it set the crossover to 150hz on them, where previously it would set it between 60-80hz, with 80 my preferred.
So now why all of a sudden just bc they are on stands does audyssey think they need to be crossed over so high? Ugh..
Any insight would be appreciated, thanks!
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Here's a weird one, maybe someone could shed some light on. My front l/r mains are pro monitor 1000's. Until yesterday they've resided on a bookshelf. Wanting better sound I got the Def tech stands, mounted them and re ran audyssey.
For some odd reason it set the crossover to 150hz on them, where previously it would set it between 60-80hz, with 80 my preferred.
So now why all of a sudden just bc they are on stands does audyssey think they need to be crossed over so high? Ugh..
Any insight would be appreciated, thanks!
My guess is that you were getting bass reinforcement (for good or ill) when placing them near other objects (on a bookshelf, perhaps nearer a wall?). When you put them on a stand and move them into the room a bit, they lose some of that reinforcement and you'll see less bass (again, for good or ill). I would personally change the crossover back to closer to 80, but maybe keep it at something like 100 since you've lost some of that extra bass.
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My guess is that you were getting bass reinforcement (for good or ill) when placing them near other objects (on a bookshelf, perhaps nearer a wall?). When you put them on a stand and move them into the room a bit, they lose some of that reinforcement and you'll see less bass (again, for good or ill). I would personally change the crossover back to closer to 80, but maybe keep it at something like 100 since you've lost some of that extra bass.
That's what I was thinking too, still seems awfully high..
I'd change it back to 100hz but then it wouldn't have any audyssey filtering between 100- 150hz...
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That's what I was thinking too, still seems awfully high..
I'd change it back to 100hz but then it wouldn't have any audyssey filtering between 100- 150hz...
Did you only run audyssey once? It could be a fluke or a few inches of mic movement will change something. I'd try running audyssey again and see if it changes anything in a second take. I don't have much experience with audyssey though, so I don't know how much it might vary in iterations.

I have my SM65s currently set to a 100Hz crossover as with REW and hours of measurements I've determined that seems to work the best for all my speakers (I have a global crossover to work with).

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Did you only run audyssey once? It could be a fluke or a few inches of mic movement will change something. I'd try running audyssey again and see if it changes anything in a second take. I don't have much experience with audyssey though, so I don't know how much it might vary in iterations.

I have my SM65s currently set to a 100Hz crossover as with REW and hours of measurements I've determined that seems to work the best for all my speakers (I have a global crossover to work with).
Yes, just once. I'll give it another whirl later and see where it sets them at. It got all my other speakers correct though which makes me believe it was something with the stands/ acoustics of the bookshelf etc..
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Dialing in BP8060 towers?

I have 2 brand new BP8060 towers, CS8080, and 2 new SR8080's in the rear - with 2 dedicated HSU true subs. My AVR has Audyssey multeq32. I ran Audyssey and it set ALL speakers to large and Xover to 60hz.

I set the rears and center to small, left the 8060 fronts on large & the Xover at 60 - it really sounds great! Should I also set the front 8060 towers to small? I'm torn on this, because they sound so good on Large compared to my old ProMon 1000's.

I read an old thread that Chris K from audyssey was posting to and he recommends small for the 8060's. See below:

"If your AVR has Audyssey MultEQ or MultEQ XT then it's imperative that you set the subs up as true subs (via the Sub Out). That's because the subwoofer filters have 8x higher resolution than the speaker filters. All speakers must be set to Small even if the AVR insists on setting them to Large."


I just wondered if others have personally experimented with this on these speakers or similar? I know Chris is the Audyssey GURU, but I always value a 2nd opinion especially from fellow DefTech owners.

I only use Audyssey for TV and movies - disable for Music. The 8060's should be running in large with my setup when Audyssey is disabled right?

After I hear enough material with all the different settings/combinations, I'll have a better idea and my ears will know the difference. Appreciate any input.
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I have 2 brand new BP8060 towers, CS8080, and 2 new SR8080's in the rear - with 2 dedicated HSU true subs. My AVR has Audyssey multeq32. I ran Audyssey and it set ALL speakers to large and Xover to 60hz.

I set the rears and center to small, left the 8060 fronts on large & the Xover at 60 - it really sounds great! Should I also set the front 8060 towers to small? I'm torn on this, because they sound so good on Large compared to my old ProMon 1000's.

I read an old thread that Chris K from audyssey was posting to and he recommends small for the 8060's. See below:

"If your AVR has Audyssey MultEQ or MultEQ XT then it's imperative that you set the subs up as true subs (via the Sub Out). That's because the subwoofer filters have 8x higher resolution than the speaker filters. All speakers must be set to Small even if the AVR insists on setting them to Large."


I just wondered if others have personally experimented with this on these speakers or similar? I know Chris is the Audyssey GURU, but I always value a 2nd opinion especially from fellow DefTech owners.

I only use Audyssey for TV and movies - disable for Music. The 8060's should be running in large with my setup when Audyssey is disabled right?

After I hear enough material with all the different settings/combinations, I'll have a better idea and my ears will know the difference. Appreciate any input.
Personally, I love the sound much more when they are set as large. I used to have 8060 towers and now I'm running the 9060's for fronts. I've tried them both ways, and for music, I much prefer them full range. I have 9060 fronts, 8060 center and 8040's for the surrounds.

I have xt32 and I've found that if I set the gain to 9:00 and run Audyssey, then right about the 1:00 position gives me the best lows post calibration, but that will be different for everyone based on the space. I run mine in a 4600 cubic foot basement space and I'm still shocked at how great the lows are. I run an SVS pc2000 with home theater and think I need 1 more to balance it out but I keep my sub off for music.

I am still conflicted on whether or not I like music more with or without Audyssey... On some tracks it sounds better with, and on some without, I'm still trying to decide on that one...

Congrats on your new setup!

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Personally, I love the sound much more when they are set as large. I used to have 8060 towers and now I'm running the 9060's for fronts. I've tried them both ways, and for music, I much prefer them full range. I have 9060 fronts, 8060 center and 8040's for the surrounds.

I have xt32 and I've found that if I set the gain to 9:00 and run Audyssey, then right about the 1:00 position gives me the best lows post calibration, but that will be different for everyone based on the space. I run mine in a 4600 cubic foot basement space and I'm still shocked at how great the lows are. I run an SVS pc2000 with home theater and think I need 1 more to balance it out but I keep my sub off for music.

I am still conflicted on whether or not I like music more with or without Audyssey... On some tracks it sounds better with, and on some without, I'm still trying to decide on that one...

Congrats on your new setup!


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Interesting - thanks for the feedback. I'll try turning the gain to 9oclock next time I run Audyssey. I had it about 11 last time
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Interesting - thanks for the feedback. I'll try turning the gain to 9oclock next time I run Audyssey. I had it about 11 last time
I have 8060 towers and center, and they sound best to me set to large, just like the manual and def tech support recommends. If you have an external sub, you could set the towers to large but run LFE to your sub. This is what Sandy Gross, who founded Def Tech, and now Golden Ear, recommends. He says never run the powered Triton towers as small. But why not try out these different options and see what sounds best? It doesn't cost anything to play around with different configurations in your AVR, and it might sound better in your situation to run the towers as small.
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Interesting - thanks for the feedback. I'll try turning the gain to 9oclock next time I run Audyssey. I had it about 11 last time
I have 8060 towers and center, and they sound best to me set to large, just like the manual and def tech support recommends. If you have an external sub, you could set the towers to large but run LFE to your sub. This is what Sandy Gross, who founded Def Tech, and now Golden Ear, recommends. He says never run the powered Triton towers as small. But why not try out these different options and see what sounds best? It doesn't cost anything to play around with different configurations in your AVR, and it might sound better in your situation to run the towers as small.

I also have the 8060s. I was running them large with speaker wire only and sub set to no. They sounded great. I now have a dedicated sub that I am adding to my system. If I have the towers set to large and also have a dedicated sub with lfe connected to that only is there a lot off bass overlap? I was thinking setting the towers to small and 40hz with below going to my sub.
I guess one thing I've always been confused about is, is lfe a seperate channel or is it only the low frequencies that most towers can't reach?

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I also have the 8060s. I was running them large with speaker wire only and sub set to no. They sounded great. I now have a dedicated sub that I am adding to my system. If I have the towers set to large and also have a dedicated sub with lfe connected to that only is there a lot off bass overlap? I was thinking setting the towers to small and 40hz with below going to my sub.
I guess one thing I've always been confused about is, is lfe a seperate channel or is it only the low frequencies that most towers can't reach?
-Yes, LFE is a separate channel.
-No, you won't get overlap, since your changing your Sub setting in the AVR to YES. (By having it set to NO, the LFE channel sounds were integrated into your Fronts, now they won't be)
-Small and 40hz won't really change much, a crossover point is where the speaker "starts" to roll off, and there's not much content in the main channels that goes below 35hz at all.

Here are your options with a separate single sub:
1. Do the Subwoofer crawl, place the Sub appropriately, run your Fronts as Large
2. Do the Subwoofer crawl, place the Sub appropriately, run the Fronts as Small w/ a 80 or 60hz crossover. (The ported woofer will still reinforce the bass from the crossover point of the AVR to the filter point of the speaker)
3. Place the Sub in the rear of the room, as close to center between the Fronts as you can, run LFE to the connections on your Fronts, set your Fronts to Small w/ an 80hz crossover.
Adjust the volumes on the subs appropriately.

Just simply choose the setup that you thinks sounds best.

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I have 2 brand new BP8060 towers, CS8080, and 2 new SR8080's in the rear - with 2 dedicated HSU true subs. My AVR has Audyssey multeq32. I ran Audyssey and it set ALL speakers to large and Xover to 60hz.

I set the rears and center to small, left the 8060 fronts on large & the Xover at 60 - it really sounds great! Should I also set the front 8060 towers to small? I'm torn on this, because they sound so good on Large compared to my old ProMon 1000's.

I read an old thread that Chris K from audyssey was posting to and he recommends small for the 8060's. See below:

"If your AVR has Audyssey MultEQ or MultEQ XT then it's imperative that you set the subs up as true subs (via the Sub Out). That's because the subwoofer filters have 8x higher resolution than the speaker filters. All speakers must be set to Small even if the AVR insists on setting them to Large."


I just wondered if others have personally experimented with this on these speakers or similar? I know Chris is the Audyssey GURU, but I always value a 2nd opinion especially from fellow DefTech owners.

I only use Audyssey for TV and movies - disable for Music. The 8060's should be running in large with my setup when Audyssey is disabled right?

After I hear enough material with all the different settings/combinations, I'll have a better idea and my ears will know the difference. Appreciate any input.
Within the last several months I have joined the ranks of the home theater community. I too have the 8060's for fronts, a 8060 Center and SR-8040's for my surrounds. I also grabbed the Atmos A60 height speakers (when they were pretty much given away)

I don't have a separate sub yet (considering HSU or Rythmik) and have subwoofer cables plugged into the LFE ports of the mains as well as the speaker wire. I have mine set to small crossed at 80Hz. My center is still set to large. My surrounds set at small and 100Hz.

My setup is in a 20 x 12 living room. I have hardwood floors (no rugs anywhere). I went back and forth setting the mains from large to small and found in my room they sounded slightly better at small. My center sounded slightly fuller set at large. I also found that the bass sounded deeper and had more of a "rumble" when I set the subwoofer phase to "reverse" in my Yamaha receiver.

Still trying to decide if a dedicated sub is needed. I can feel vibrations on the floor and while sitting on the couch. I was watching Terminator Genisys and my wife said a dish in the kitchen cabinet was rattling during an explosion scene. I have the subwoofer knobs on the mains set to about 1 or 1:30

Yamaha receiver uses YPAO so I don't think it can be disabled. Sounds like receivers with Audyssey allows for more customizations than Yamaha's YPAO does.

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Within the last several months I have joined the ranks of the home theater community. I too have the 8060's for fronts, a 8060 Center and SR-8040's for my surrounds. I also grabbed the Atmos A60 height speakers (when they were pretty much given away)

I don't have a separate sub yet (considering HSU or Rythmik) and have subwoofer cables plugged into the LFE ports of the mains as well as the speaker wire. I have mine set to small crossed at 80Hz. My center is still set to large. My surrounds set at small and 100Hz.

My setup is in a 20 x 12 living room. I have hardwood floors (no rugs anywhere). I went back and forth setting the mains from large to small and found in my room they sounded slightly better at small. My center sounded slightly fuller set at large. I also found that the bass sounded deeper and had more of a "rumble" when I set the subwoofer phase to "reverse" in my Yamaha receiver.

Still trying to decide if a dedicated sub is needed. I can feel vibrations on the floor and while sitting on the couch. I was watching Terminator Genisys and my wife said a dish in the kitchen cabinet was rattling during an explosion scene. I have the subwoofer knobs on the mains set to about 1 or 1:30

Yamaha receiver uses YPAO so I don't think it can be disabled. Sounds like receivers with Audyssey allows for more customizations than Yamaha's YPAO does.
What do you think of the atmos add-ons for your fronts. They're inexpensive now, so I was considering grabbing a pair, but I was afraid that they can't keep up with the rest of the speakers. Or does the AVR (atmos capable) manage this well?

I don't currently have atmos capability on my AVR, but I plan to get the Marantz AV7703 when it comes out in October (hopefully).

Also - will DTS X support these atmos add-on speakers? From what I've been reading DTS X is more flexible that atmos and may be a better technology.

If you're undecided about getting a true sub, I highly recommend it. If creates a much more immersive movie experience and also great for music depending on what music you listen to.
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What do you think of the atmos add-ons for your fronts. They're inexpensive now, so I was considering grabbing a pair, but I was afraid that they can't keep up with the rest of the speakers. Or does the AVR (atmos capable) manage this well?

I don't currently have atmos capability on my AVR, but I plan to get the Marantz AV7703 when it comes out in October (hopefully).

Also - will DTS X support these atmos add-on speakers? From what I've been reading DTS X is more flexible that atmos and may be a better technology.

If you're undecided about getting a true sub, I highly recommend it. If creates a much more immersive movie experience and also great for music depending on what music you listen to.
My ceilings are only 7' 5" high and I live in a ranch. I only have 2 Atmos movies but it seems like for my living room it works well enough. In the future I may have Atmos done the right way by having ceiling speakers for the full Atmos sound effect. But for now, I do hear things that seem to be elevated overhead like helicopters etc.

A60 modules are a older technology so I don't think they support the DTS:X. The new A90's do from what I recall seeing.

I have Yamaha's 2015 Aventage RX-A850 and while it is Atmos enabled, it doesn't say DTS:X where as the 2016 models do. Not sure if a firmware upgrade will enable my receiver to get the DTS:X (thought I read somewhere a future update may do so).

This was my first home theater setup, so I'm sort of learning as I go along here.
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My ceilings are only 7' 5" high and I live in a ranch. I only have 2 Atmos movies but it seems like for my living room it works well enough. In the future I may have Atmos done the right way by having ceiling speakers for the full Atmos sound effect. But for now, I do hear things that seem to be elevated overhead like helicopters etc.

A60 modules are a older technology so I don't think they support the DTS:X. The new A90's do from what I recall seeing.

I have Yamaha's 2015 Aventage RX-A850 and while it is Atmos enabled, it doesn't say DTS:X where as the 2016 models do. Not sure if a firmware upgrade will enable my receiver to get the DTS:X (thought I read somewhere a future update may do so).

This was my first home theater setup, so I'm sort of learning as I go along here.
As far as the A-60's are concerned, yes they will work for DTS-X, either of them will, them just being an older model doesn't matter. The two real issues are driver size and frequency limiting.
The A-60's have 3.5" drivers and the A-90's have 4.5's so they "may" sound a little fuller. But if you notice, I said "may", the reason being is that any officially spec'd Dolby Atmos module will be frequency limited as per Dolby's restrictions, and also so will the signal out of the AVR when set to Dolby Surround Speakers in the setup menu. But DTS-X doesn't frequency limit the signal to the speaker like Dolby does, so your crossover points and driver size will have more to do with the sound when playing DTS-X or Neural-X. Just be aware of this.

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What do you think of the atmos add-ons for your fronts. They're inexpensive now, so I was considering grabbing a pair, but I was afraid that they can't keep up with the rest of the speakers. Or does the AVR (atmos capable) manage this well?

I don't currently have atmos capability on my AVR, but I plan to get the Marantz AV7703 when it comes out in October (hopefully).

Also - will DTS X support these atmos add-on speakers? From what I've been reading DTS X is more flexible that atmos and may be a better technology.

If you're undecided about getting a true sub, I highly recommend it. If creates a much more immersive movie experience and also great for music depending on what music you listen to.
Which HSU subs do you own?
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Quick question about a65 outdoor speakers... I have them mounted vertically should the tweeters be up or down? In order to hide the cables one would have to be up on one side of the patio and the other would have to be down on the other, will that create much of a difference and sound? Also the base radiator will be facing a little out towards the yard versus towards the house. Should I try an curve it to face the house this would also impact the direction of the speaker so I really don't want to do that.
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