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So after listening to my friends all Goldenear setup, was curious if anyone has tried to upgrade drivers in the BP7002's... Wondering if I can in the least put a ribbon tweeter in.
I considered it a while back, but besides the cabinet modification that would be very difficult to change back if I didn't like the results, you also have to consider that the speakers are designed as a whole, that means taking into consideration everything from the size of the cabinet, to specific specifications of the drivers when designing the crossovers. And this is where it "may" go wrong, you would have to switch to an active crossover or custom design one in order to really get it to work properly, granted you could get lucky, but it would be a long shot.

It could be a good experiment if you had an extra pair of speakers around that you weren't going to rely on.
This would be a real case for bi-amping as well, if you decided to use an active crossover.

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My banana clips and speaker wire are coming in the mail today looking forward to hooking up my PM100s that I got for $60 for the pair, as surrounds. To finnaly upgrade from 3.1. I've had HTIAB 5.1 set ups but not a real set up like this. Kinda older stuff but still hope I'm happy with it.

Fronts - BP6
Center - PC1000
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Sub - Polk PSW-10
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new 5.1.2 system

I'm putting together a new setup and think I'd like to go with Def Techs. The front speakers can be bookshelf. Everything else needs to be in-wall or in-ceiling. I'll probably use an SVS SB-1000 for the sub. This will be used almost exclusively for movies. I'll definitely do 5.1 and I'm hoping I'll be able to afford adding in to overhead speakers to make it a 5.1.2 Atmos system.

After looking at all the different DT models, here is what I've come up with:

Center: DI 5.5 LCR mounted in-wall
Fronts: ProMonitor 1000 sitting on top of a counter
Surrounds: DI 5.5S mounted in-wall 90deg from the listener
overhead (Atmos): DI 5.5R mounted in-ceiling

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I'm putting together a new setup and think I'd like to go with Def Techs. The front speakers can be bookshelf. Everything else needs to be in-wall or in-ceiling. I'll probably use an SVS SB-1000 for the sub. This will be used almost exclusively for movies. I'll definitely do 5.1 and I'm hoping I'll be able to afford adding in to overhead speakers to make it a 5.1.2 Atmos system.

After looking at all the different DT models, here is what I've come up with:

Center: DI 5.5 LCR mounted in-wall
Fronts: ProMonitor 1000 sitting on top of a counter
Surrounds: DI 5.5S mounted in-wall 90deg from the listener
overhead (Atmos): DI 5.5R mounted in-ceiling

I've attached a drawing of the room that shows anticipated speaker placement.

Does it look like I'm headed in the right direction?
I'd say that it's pretty good, definitely well balanced as far as tonal quality.

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For 7.1, the 350's are more capable than your 800's, so the 350's should be your surrounds.

Rule of thumb, your hearing is more precise in front of you, always put your best gear forward.
Thanks for all the help on my HT. I went ahead and picked up the hsu vtf-3 mk5 today. That thing is huge. I just got some play out of it and you were absolutely right. A good sub changes everything. All I need to do now is get stands for my sm350s. I've been slacking on it.
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My banana clips and speaker wire are coming in the mail today looking forward to hooking up my PM100s that I got for $60 for the pair, as surrounds. To finnaly upgrade from 3.1. I've had HTIAB 5.1 set ups but not a real set up like this. Kinda older stuff but still hope I'm happy with it.

Fronts - BP6
Center - PC1000
Surrounds - PM100s
Sub - Polk PSW-10
AVR-Onkyo NR626.

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Next upgrade - Update the center to the PC2000 as it makes a world of difference between the PC 1000.
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Next upgrade - Update the center to the PC2000 as it makes a world of difference between the PC 1000.
You can also try grabbing a CLR2002 - they often show up on ebay for ~$120. It will be similar to PC2000 but less expensive and better match for your fronts.
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You can also try grabbing a CLR2002 - they often show up on ebay for ~$120. It will be similar to PC2000 but less expensive and better match for your fronts.
This. I went from a PC1000 to a CLR2002 to match my front upgrade of SM350s from PM800s and it's a huge improvement. The PC1000 is fine but the 2000 or CLR2002 is that much better.
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Is it realistic that a ProCenter 1000 would sound better than a Klispch R-5502? I had in-wall speakers installed when I re-did my home, but I've never been particularly happy with the sound. This particular speaker is mounted in fireplace mantel. The whole is big enough to fit the ProCenter 1000. In looking at what I paid for the Klipsch, I'm wondering if there's something I can do to either improve that or maybe the best move is to shift to the Def Techs. I have a ProCenter 2000. If I swap that in, would that provide me with a good idea of what I might expect?
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You can also try grabbing a CLR2002 - they often show up on ebay for ~$120. It will be similar to PC2000 but less expensive and better match for your fronts.


I can find one locally for 120 on Craigslist, looks like it's in great condition. How big is compared to the PC1000? It's on a floating shelf above the tv now, just wondering how much heavier it is. Idk if the shelf could take much more weight.


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I can find one locally for 120 on Craigslist, looks like it's in great condition. How big is compared to the PC1000? It's on a floating shelf above the tv now, just wondering how much heavier it is. Idk if the shelf could take much more weight.


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It is a big/heavy speaker - weighs about 30lbs. Audyssey sets the crossover for mine to 60Hz (I raise it to 80Hz afterwards).

Here are the specifications:
  • frequency response 30-30,000 Hz
  • sensitivity 91 dB
  • 8-ohm impedance
  • handles up to 250 watts
  • one 1" pure aluminum dome tweeter
  • two 5-1/4" bass/midrange drivers
  • two sets of 5-way binding posts (biwireable)
  • piano-gloss black finish
  • 21-3/4" W x 6-7/8"H x 12-1/8"D
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It is a big/heavy speaker - weighs about 30lbs. Audyssey sets the crossover for mine to 60Hz (I raise it to 80Hz afterwards).

Here are the specifications:
  • frequency response 30-30,000 Hz
  • sensitivity 91 dB
  • 8-ohm impedance
  • handles up to 250 watts
  • one 1" pure aluminum dome tweeter
  • two 5-1/4" bass/midrange drivers
  • two sets of 5-way binding posts (biwireable)
  • piano-gloss black finish
  • 21-3/4" W x 6-7/8"H x 12-1/8"D
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-O6Xfk0...C-L-R2002.html


Wow, that is heavy. It is real pretty and would match my BP towers great! Might just grab it and hold on to it until I get a new tv, and gets tv stand that could accommodate it.


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Wow, that is heavy. It is real pretty and would match my BP towers great! Might just grab it and hold on to it until I get a new tv, and gets tv stand that could accommodate it.


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FYI, at that price, you could resell it with a minimal or no loss at all, if it doesn't work out.

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I have a CLR2002 that I've been using for years as a center channel speaker and the other day I was watching the movie Arrival at a fairly loud level(not reference level but since I have little kids it's been years since I listened to anything that loud) and I noticed what I thought was a rattle somewhere in my front sound stage. So I got closer and it seemed to be coming from the port on my CLR2002 speaker. From up close it definitely wasn't a rattle but I'm not sure what to call it. Does anyone know what that might be? I thought maybe my denon x4300 was being pushed to hard(I've got all 9 channels in use) so I brought out my old denon 3803 and just ran the CLR2002 off that and it had the same problem. So I don't think it's lack of power(but it could be since I don't know what lack of power actually sounds like). Is the speaker going out or just reaching it's limits? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Thanks littlefoott, I can take a look at that this weekend but it really sounded more like a noise from the air coming out of the port(not sure what to call that). I did some testing yesterday and if I change the crossover on my receiver from 60Hz to 120Hz the noise is substantially less so at least for now I'll run it that way.
So I finally got annoyed enough at this issue that I ordered a new CLR2002 on a whim. Well it has the same problem, so now I'm trying to decide what my next move is. I think my only option is to purchase a new center channel. One that can handle more bass since changing the crossover lessens the noise. But will the current lineup match my bp2002 tower speakers, or do I have to try and buy a used CLR2500 or CLR3000? Anybody have any experience with the current center channel speakers(CS940/960/980) or even the SM65 and the older bp2002 towers?
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So I finally got annoyed enough at this issue that I ordered a new CLR2002 on a whim. Well it has the same problem, so now I'm trying to decide what my next move is. I think my only option is to purchase a new center channel. One that can handle more bass since changing the crossover lessens the noise. But will the current lineup match my bp2002 tower speakers, or do I have to try and buy a used CLR2500 or CLR3000? Anybody have any experience with the current center channel speakers(CS940/960/980) or even the SM65 and the older bp2002 towers?
I have not listened to the newer Centers, but I can say this, find a good CLR3000 and you will be done. It is an awesome center channel.
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I have not listened to the newer Centers, but I can say this, find a good CLR3000 and you will be done. It is an awesome center channel.


+1...Go as big as your budget allows for your center channel.


CLR2300 or 2500s can be found for pretty good prices on CL. There should even be a fair number of DT center channels for sale here depending on what youre looking for.


CLR3000 is where its at though.
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I have not listened to the newer Centers, but I can say this, find a good CLR3000 and you will be done. It is an awesome center channel.
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+1...Go as big as your budget allows for your center channel.


CLR2300 or 2500s can be found for pretty good prices on CL. There should even be a fair number of DT center channels for sale here depending on what youre looking for.


CLR3000 is where its at though.
Thanks Baderpilot and Gonzilla13. I guess my main hesitation with going the used route is if it ends up not being a speaker issue and something else then I don't have any way to return the speaker and I'm left reselling it.
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Thanks Baderpilot and Gonzilla13. I guess my main hesitation with going the used route is if it ends up not being a speaker issue and something else then I don't have any way to return the speaker and I'm left reselling it.
If you buy a nice used CLR3000, you won't want to return it. I would stay away from the 2300, I was not happy with it. Also, if you can find a CLR1000b, it is nearly as good as the 3000, it would be my second choice. Make sure it is a "b" though, it has the more recent tweeter. I used to have the 1000b but then I found a deal too good to pass on for a 3000. Honestly though, there is not a huge difference between the two IMO. The 1000b's can be found around $150-$200.
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Thanks Baderpilot and Gonzilla13. I guess my main hesitation with going the used route is if it ends up not being a speaker issue and something else then I don't have any way to return the speaker and I'm left reselling it.



Have you changed the speaker wire or hooked the center speaker up to another channel to trouble shoot it? Or maybe hooked up another speaker to the center channel speaker to see if the problem still exists?
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Have you changed the speaker wire or hooked the center speaker up to another channel to trouble shoot it? Or maybe hooked up another speaker to the center channel speaker to see if the problem still exists?
I did try hooking up one of my rear BPX speakers to the center channel output on the AMP and it seemed to play fine(although there's no port on that speaker so maybe it's just an issue because the CLR2002 has a port) but I never did try a different wire to see if that makes it any better. Not sure why it would but can't hurt to try.
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I did try hooking up one of my rear BPX speakers to the center channel output on the AMP and it seemed to play fine(although there's no port on that speaker so maybe it's just an issue because the CLR2002 has a port) but I never did try a different wire to see if that makes it any better. Not sure why it would but can't hurt to try.


Just a few quick things to narrow down the culprit...Let us know how it goes...
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I did try hooking up one of my rear BPX speakers to the center channel output on the AMP and it seemed to play fine(although there's no port on that speaker so maybe it's just an issue because the CLR2002 has a port) but I never did try a different wire to see if that makes it any better. Not sure why it would but can't hurt to try.
Add the clr2000 into the mix also. I see a few on eBay on occasion for $200 and less.
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+1...Go as big as your budget allows for your center channel.


CLR2300 or 2500s can be found for pretty good prices on CL. There should even be a fair number of DT center channels for sale here depending on what youre looking for.


CLR3000 is where its at though.
I currently have three sm65's for my fronts. I know matching all three is recommended, but Im still not entirely happy when it comes to dialogue. I upgraded from a pro center 1000 hoping that it would be much louder or clearer. Would a clr 3000 be an improvement as my center channel with my sm 65s remaining as the front left and right? Or would you guys recommend Messing with then receiver and settings and keeping the sm65
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