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My room isn't huge, it's about 12'-6"x18'-0"...and my media center is on a wall that also has a door on the far left side of that wall. So, I'm planning on raising my 70" SonyXBR and mounting it to the wall (it currently uses the factory legs to sit atop the media cabinet). I need to raise it for the new center speaker to sit below the tv and on the media center. I'm hoping to place each of the towers on each side of the media cabinet, and as far forward as practical. Since they're 16" deep and the front of my cabinet is 26" from the wall, I'm hoping 10" to the back wall will work well enough for the bipolar elements. The media cabinet is 25" high and my CS9060 will sit centered on it. The cabinet is 6'-8" long- so that means my towers will end up being placed about 7' apart...not much, but I think it will work out for me.

Still not sure what to do about the surrounds and rear heights....money's not there to do it all at once anyway.
I am doing the same thing as you! I just had my Sony mounted last Friday and also raised it 8 inches higher to accomodate the CS9080 center channel. Having owned bipolar speakers in the past I know that the further out they are placed the better the soundstage imaging.
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I am doing the same thing as you! I just had my Sony mounted last Friday and also raised it 8 inches higher to accomodate the CS9080 center channel. Having owned bipolar speakers in the past I know that the further out they are placed the better the soundstage imaging.
That's the thing with bipolar speakers, if you have the right space, the right room for them and place them right there is no better soundstage around. It's quite incredible, the parameters have to be right though and that's tough for a lot of people. Awesome if you do though.

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That's the thing with bipolar speakers, if you have the right space, the right room for them and place them right there is no better soundstage around. It's quite incredible, the parameters have to be right though and that's tough for a lot of people. Awesome if you do though.

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I have no more WAF to deal with so I am okay with placement wherever needed.
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I have no more WAF to deal with so I am okay with placement wherever needed.
I have a wife, I just don't care when it comes to the home theater. She can do what she wants with every other room, but I do what I want when it comes to the home theater. I don't have bipolar speakers and I don't miss them. I have an all Def Tech non-bipolar system, other than the sub which is SVS.

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I'd like to try going without a sub and using the BP9060's 10" subs as a separate LFE input. But, that doesn't seem to be the "preferred" method according to the manual.

Does anyone forgo the use of a separate sub and only use the two towers?

(Haven't yet received any kind of email from DT as regards my order placed yesterday. Hopefully I will get some kind of receipt tomorrow and some idea of shipping/arrival dates.)
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I'd like to try going without a sub and using the BP9060's 10" subs as a separate LFE input. But, that doesn't seem to be the "preferred" method according to the manual.

Does anyone forgo the use of a separate sub and only use the two towers?

(Haven't yet received any kind of email from DT as regards my order placed yesterday. Hopefully I will get some kind of receipt tomorrow and some idea of shipping/arrival dates.)
I did just that for years and it was ok but nothing like having a real sub. I wish it would have been but it's not enough. Then I was dumb enough to buy a DT sub which is overpriced for the performance. Years down the road I smartened up and have an SVS PB-1000 and this how a sub should sound and perform.

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I'd like to try going without a sub and using the BP9060's 10" subs as a separate LFE input. But, that doesn't seem to be the "preferred" method according to the manual.

Does anyone forgo the use of a separate sub and only use the two towers?

(Haven't yet received any kind of email from DT as regards my order placed yesterday. Hopefully I will get some kind of receipt tomorrow and some idea of shipping/arrival dates.)
I have a pair of BP-8060's and have been using the LFE RCA cable on them for the past 15 months. I'm considering getting a SVS PB2000 if not 2 of them. Still looking at HSU or Rythmik but leaning more towards the SVS. I know one will fit in front where my mains are, I don't know if I can squeeze a second upfront due to the placement/area restriction that I have now.

Just biding my time till I round up enough cash to buy one (or two).
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Question for all those in the "know", I currently utilize a DT Supercube 2000 as my one and only sub (the rest of my system is noted in my signature as well). I would really like to add an additional sub to lessen the load and to smooth the response in my room. My room is approximately 16'W x 22'L x 8'H and is partially open (8' open doorway) to another room. I know for the most part the def tech subs are considered over priced for their performance yet If I had the opportunity to add a 2nd def tech SC2000 for a pretty reasonable price (say around $300) do you all think that this would be a sensible route to take? Also not sure if this is the best place to post this question yet I haven't been steered wrong by you all yet . Thanks ahead of time for your opinions and experiences.

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Question for all those in the "know", I currently utilize a DT Supercube 2000 as my one and only sub (the rest of my system is noted in my signature as well). I would really like to add an additional sub to lessen the load and to smooth the response in my room. My room is approximately 16'W x 22'L x 8'H and is partially open (8' open doorway) to another room. I know for the most part the def tech subs are considered over priced for their performance yet If I had the opportunity to add a 2nd def tech SC2000 for a pretty reasonable price (say around $300) do you all think that this would be a sensible route to take? Also not sure if this is the best place to post this question yet I haven't been steered wrong by you all yet . Thanks ahead of time for your opinions and experiences.
Personally I think you'd be better off with one SVS PB-1000 and forgetting about the SC 2000. That's just my opinion. You could try a second SC 2000 and see.

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Question for all those in the "know", I currently utilize a DT Supercube 2000 as my one and only sub (the rest of my system is noted in my signature as well). I would really like to add an additional sub to lessen the load and to smooth the response in my room. My room is approximately 16'W x 22'L x 8'H and is partially open (8' open doorway) to another room. I know for the most part the def tech subs are considered over priced for their performance yet If I had the opportunity to add a 2nd def tech SC2000 for a pretty reasonable price (say around $300) do you all think that this would be a sensible route to take? Also not sure if this is the best place to post this question yet I haven't been steered wrong by you all yet . Thanks ahead of time for your opinions and experiences.
If you can get a used SC2000 for $200-$250 then your dollar -per- performance ratio will be in line, but....

The real question is "how big is your space" this will tell you if it's even worth doubling up on such small subs, and with the size of your room + the extra room, I'm thinking you really need something more than a pair of SC2000's to really make a purchase worth it, while smoothing out your frequency response for more than one or two seats is a good idea, if your going to spend money to achieve this, might as well throw having Subs capable of pressurizing your space and dipping into those really low frequencies, into the mix, even if it means mis-matching them for a while.
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Question for all those in the "know", I currently utilize a DT Supercube 2000 as my one and only sub (the rest of my system is noted in my signature as well). I would really like to add an additional sub to lessen the load and to smooth the response in my room. My room is approximately 16'W x 22'L x 8'H and is partially open (8' open doorway) to another room. I know for the most part the def tech subs are considered over priced for their performance yet If I had the opportunity to add a 2nd def tech SC2000 for a pretty reasonable price (say around $300) do you all think that this would be a sensible route to take? Also not sure if this is the best place to post this question yet I haven't been steered wrong by you all yet . Thanks ahead of time for your opinions and experiences.
adding a second identical sub will smooth out the bass response in the room and seating positions but make no difference in frequency range.
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I have a pair of BP-8060's and have been using the LFE RCA cable on them for the past 15 months. I'm considering getting a SVS PB2000 if not 2 of them. Still looking at HSU or Rythmik but leaning more towards the SVS. I know one will fit in front where my mains are, I don't know if I can squeeze a second upfront due to the placement/area restriction that I have now.

Just biding my time till I round up enough cash to buy one (or two).
I just installed a Hsu VTF2-MK5 to supplement my Def 8040's. What a nice difference, especially with a 1/3 octave 31-band equalizer with a sub output so I can tweak the lower 5, 1/3 octaves: 20, 25, 31.5, 40 and 60 Hz.

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SO.. where can I find a ProCenter 2000 for a good deal??? There's no reburbished (which I've never bought) on eBay bahawaverunner's site so they must be out of stock. A Magnolia Design Center in Best Buy that's over an hour away from me wants $300 for a new one. It's $314 new currently on DT's website. I see a couple of "like new" on Amazon for around $235-$259 but without knowing the history or without actual pics I'm a little skeptical. I have the PC1000 now but have been thinking about going bigger since I just got some new Studio Monitor 45's and dual PB-1000's.

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SO.. where can I find a ProCenter 2000 for a good deal??? There's no reburbished (which I've never bought) on eBay bahawaverunner's site so they must be out of stock. A Magnolia Design Center in Best Buy that's over an hour away from me wants $300 for a new one. It's $314 new currently on DT's website. I see a couple of "like new" on Amazon for around $235-$259 but without knowing the history or without actual pics I'm a little skeptical. I have the PC1000 now but have been thinking about going bigger since I just got some new Studio Monitor 45's and dual PB-1000's.
I would go for "like new" listing from Electronics Expo @amazon . They are a big store and have good rating on Amazon as well.
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I was thinking about adding sr 9080 surrounds but was wondering since I want a full atmos, would rear bp9040's/bp9020's with a90 modules work best? I currently have bp 9060's with a90's for fronts. Have had the system setup for only a week now and love what I have so far.

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Thinking of switching up my speakers due to running atmos. Currently I am using Bp30s, clr 2000, and bpx x4 plus two additional di6.5 for atmos and will probably add two more in the future. Atmos recommends ear level surrounds so my problem is hanging the bpx that low doesn't look good. I just acquired an additional clr2000 and will purchase another to replace the side Bpx. I like the bipolar surrounds but I'd imagine the clr2000 is probably a better speaker. Any thoughts?
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A Magnolia Design Center in Best Buy that's over an hour away from me wants $300 for a new one.
I assume they aren't willing to ship? The advantage there is returns, assuming they let you return to a local BB instead of the hour away store.

Mentioned this alternative earlier, but if you have a discover card, you can buy from BB, then try doing a credit card pricematch at $250ish from newaudiounited. If it doesn't work or you don't like the speaker, return back to BB. Alternative is to just wait ebay out.

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Well, I received confirmation from DefTech on my order...now I just await shipping.

(Feels kind of like waiting for Xmas to get here.)
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I just installed a Hsu VTF2-MK5 to supplement my Def 8040's. What a nice difference, especially with a 1/3 octave 31-band equalizer with a sub output so I can tweak the lower 5, 1/3 octaves: 20, 25, 31.5, 40 and 60 Hz.
Guess I'm not as informed when you talk about tweaking the lower octaves.

Prior to November 2015 I never had a home theater system so I'm still finding useful tips on here. I had my system setup by a home theater installer, but I didn't really like the levels set, so I get a old fashioned SPL (not digital) and ran the calibration again adjusting my levels to 80DB instead of 75DB.

The HUSU's that you mentioned are smaller in width 15" which may fit better. As it is now with 17" Wide subwoofers (such as SVS PB-2000) one I could fit, the other would almost be right against a main tower with maybe an inch of room. My right speaker is about 19" to the right of the tv stand. My left speaker is placed about 22" inches to the left of the tv stand. TV stand is 48" in length. I may have to look further at those HSU's.
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I was thinking about adding sr 9080 surrounds but was wondering since I want a full atmos, would rear bp9040's/bp9020's with a90 modules work best? I currently have bp 9060's with a90's for fronts. Have had the system setup for only a week now and love what I have so far.
Many of us run larger more full range surrounds and really like it, it's really up to you and if your receiver supports 5.1.4. While I'm not a big fan of the modules, if you are enjoying them and can place your surrounds in a position that will allow them to work properly, then either of those two speakers would work very well. (Honestly, if I were spending the money, I'd go with the 9040's, why skimp now) plus the extra bass won't hurt either, esp if your not running separate subs.

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Thinking of switching up my speakers due to running atmos. Currently I am using Bp30s, clr 2000, and bpx x4 plus two additional di6.5 for atmos and will probably add two more in the future. Atmos recommends ear level surrounds so my problem is hanging the bpx that low doesn't look good. I just acquired an additional clr2000 and will purchase another to replace the side Bpx. I like the bipolar surrounds but I'd imagine the clr2000 is probably a better speaker. Any thoughts?
It's not a bad idea at all, you've already got them both so you can do your own side-by-side with them, but it certainly won't be a bad idea having matching 6.5's in your main 5 ear level channels. It just may take some getting used to since your so accustomed to bi-poles over there.
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Guess I'm not as informed when you talk about tweaking the lower octaves.

Prior to November 2015 I never had a home theater system so I'm still finding useful tips on here. I had my system setup by a home theater installer, but I didn't really like the levels set, so I get a old fashioned SPL (not digital) and ran the calibration again adjusting my levels to 80DB instead of 75DB.

The HUSU's that you mentioned are smaller in width 15" which may fit better. As it is now with 17" Wide subwoofers (such as SVS PB-2000) one I could fit, the other would almost be right against a main tower with maybe an inch of room. My right speaker is about 19" to the right of the tv stand. My left speaker is placed about 22" inches to the left of the tv stand. TV stand is 48" in length. I may have to look further at those HSU's.
Don't forget about the cylinders if your running into space concerns, plus they can also be laid in their sides and hidden behind a couch or something if need be, without effecting their performance.
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Don't forget about the cylinders if your running into space concerns, plus they can also be laid in their sides and hidden behind a couch or something if need be, without effecting their performance.
One of the main reasons I snagged two SVS PC12-NSD's on clearance a couple years back, they are in my rooms front corners behind my ST8060's.

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Don't forget about the cylinders if your running into space concerns, plus they can also be laid in their sides and hidden behind a couch or something if need be, without effecting their performance.
I should take a couple of photos to show the layout of my living room. My living room is 20 x 12 but I'm sitting the short way meaning my TV and speakers are setup on the 12 feet across wall vs the long way. The edge of my TV stand is pulled out 9 inches from back wall while the TV is sitting at the 22" mark. There are about 9 feet of space from TV to where I sit on the couch. My couch is right against the back wall and from seat position to wall there is about 18" I couldn't put a subwoofer behind couch since the back of the couch is flush with that wall. My front door (if I went outside) is only 1 foot from the couch and I sit at that end. When I sit at the other end of the 6 foot couch I'm not at the center of the TV or center channel so putting a sub at the far side of the couch isn't an option either. My wife doesn't want me drilling holes in the hardwood floor either to run cable..... I have a 55" 4K Sony which just fits on TV stand.

What about cylinders?

I'm thinking it's most likely that I will have to get the smaller sub such as the HSU that is 15" wide. Each one is $539 and I was going to go dual anyway. I kind of liked the idea of the SVS 45-day trial, but realistically they (PB-2000) I don't feel will fit in the floor space that I have between TV stand and where the mains are.

As I said perhaps I can take a couple of photos and put them up here so it can be seen what I'm working with.

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Actually how do you upload a photo here? I see a "insert image" icon, but when you click on it, it wants a URL of image. I don't see any other options for uploading thumbnails unless I'm overlooking something.
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Actually how do you upload a photo here? I see a "insert image" icon, but when you click on it, it wants a URL of image. I don't see any other options for uploading thumbnails unless I'm overlooking something.
You can use a "photo hosting" site that has the URL needed and then use the insert image after you have copied it from the host site. The other method is just use the "manage attachments" below the post icons portion in the thread. That is if you have photos on your computer.
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You can use a "photo hosting" site that has the URL needed and then use the insert image after you have copied it from the host site. The other method is just use the "manage attachments" below the post icons portion in the thread. That is if you have photos on your computer.
Ok I'll look, must have overlooked that. I have the photos on saved on my computer.

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Ok, here is how my living room is set up. Overlook the mess on the couch and shelves .... Our cat likes to sit in that blue chair.....
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