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post #331 of 31351 Old 05-13-2006, 05:49 AM
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I'm betting the Yamaha Sub isn't too killer, if you have your subs in your Towers pluged in, I would test setting your mains to Large so they can get that full lowend and see how it treats you, best way to find out is to experiment yourself.

I agree. Plug in your subs and set your mains to "large."

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i have them pluged in already. my main concern was would there be much audio difference with the towers set to small. i wasnt to concerned with the bass. if setting them to large only gives me more bass and thats the only benifit then maybe i should just leave them to small. my reciever has the option to send bass to both the speakers and sub or just 1 if i wanted. right now i have the receiver set to both for the bass.

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i have them pluged in already. my main concern was would there be much audio difference with the towers set to small. i wasnt to concerned with the bass. if setting them to large only gives me more bass and thats the only benifit then maybe i should just leave them to small. my reciever has the option to send bass to both the speakers and sub or just 1 if i wanted. right now i have the receiver set to both for the bass.

I send bass to my mains and my svs sub as well. Leaving you mains set to small will not send low bass to your mains which defeats the purpose of having built in powered subs.

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my receiver also set the crossover frequency to 160Hz. i have read that yamahas auto setup is known for not getting this right. does that number sound right or should i change it. if so then what is recomended.

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i decided to switch the 3 fronts to large and my crossover to 80Hz. i will stick with it for a while and see how i like it. but i am still open to suggestions.

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bboncorr1,

Set

Fronts Large
Center Small
Surround L/R Small
Bass to BOTH
80Hz Xover


This will maximize your performance

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after a weekend of useing these speakers i gotta say the sound quality is much better then what i heard while in the stores sound room. im glad i ended up with this setup. the sound is so much better then my yamaha nsp436 speakers.

one funny note is i left my speakers on to get them broken in fast and there was a scene with gunshots on tv. my cats went crazy trying to figure out where it was coming from. i even looked around for a second. im also hearing little sounds i never heard before in music i listen to plus it just sounds much better.

another question. why would my receiver set my center to large? is it because i bi-wired it? should i leave it as large because i bi-wired it?

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The auto setups aren't gospel, I would manually set it to smally
cause louder low end frequencies from movies like War of The Worlds can easily damage speaker incorrectly set to large.

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Current configuration is under final construction. I haven't had a chance to hear them in the room yet. Working on a IB sub setup before I test things out. The room is my greatroom as well as my HT area so stealth was the name of the game.

UIW-75's for L/C/R
UIW BPZ/A for side Surrounds
UIW BP/A for rear Surrounds

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I have not seen any reports as to how this system sounds. How do you feel about your install? I am considering UIW RLS 2 for my LCR Speakers with a pair of IW Subs. For my sides and surrounds, I am considering 4 UIW BPZ/A's. While the RLS's are enclosed cabinets, do the BPZ/A's come with a rear enclosure?

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I just got a pair of Mythos 2s to replace some Mirage Omnisats and I'm a little surprised by the results. I wanted to get something with a little more low end than the Omnisats and thought the Mythos 2 would fit the bill. The Omnisats are only rated down to 70Hz and have only 1 4-1/2" driver but in comparing them I really don't notice that significant of a difference.

I have set the front speakers to large and tried various stereo and surround material with the sub and center channel disconnected. They certainly sound and look great but I guess I was expecting more. Is the 45Hz rating an exaggeration?
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I have not seen any reports as to how this system sounds. How do you feel about your install? I am considering UIW RLS 2 for my LCR Speakers with a pair of IW Subs. For my sides and surrounds, I am considering 4 UIW BPZ/A's. While the RLS's are enclosed cabinets, do the BPZ/A's come with a rear enclosure?

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Sorry for the lack of update. I do have them up and running I just don't have the IB quite completed yet, but have run it with a conventional ported sub. I would of love to had the option for the RLS2's but they were not released at the time. None of the Def. Tech inwall speakers I have come with a enclosure, the speakers are designed for infinite baffle thus they need no box I don't see the RLS's being any different. The minimum size enclosure they recommend is a 1cu ft. area. Any smaller then that will really tighten up the sound in a undesriable way. As for quality of sound they blow the Klipsh Towers I had out of the water. The detail in these speakers are far superior to what I've experienced in the past, I'm also comparing them to my fathers M&K. My only complaint with the UIW75's is their smaller sound field, I'm sure the RLS's will help aleviate this issue. I have them crossed over at 80hz and they play that loud at reference levels with no issues. The bi-polars have a great sound field if your not looking for directional sound from your surrounds. I will say they would be better wall mounted then ceiling mounted as I'm having a difficult time adjusting to a improper location.

Hope that helps you out.

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How much of a step down is it really from the 7004s to the 7006s?

I've been pretty happy with a ProCinema 100.6 setup for the last 8 years. Now I'm adding a second system (almost exclusively for HT), and I've mainly been considering small floorstanders (with the leading contender being the Monitor Audio RS6s). I've always been curious about the Def Tech powered towers, but upon hearing them in dealer showrooms, I usually end up disappointed. With music, I really miss the imaging you get from a good pair of monopoles.

But I've always heard good things about them, and I have a hard time assessing speakers in an unfamiliar showroom anyway. So at the urging of a salesman, I decided to give them a try at homerealizing that that there was a good chance that I'd return them. From a budget and size standpoint, the 7006s are where I want to be, but the salesman strongly recommended the 7004s so that's what I went with.

Turns out I really did like them. Maybe they don't have pinpoint imaging, but it is much less obvious when simply enjoying the music than it is in an A-B comparison. Even compressed stuff from my iPod was pretty engaging. I was satisfied with the sound, and they really seem to fit what I'm looking for...

...that is except for the budget/size thing I mentioned earlier. I ended up returning them.

I could probably rationalize the extra $$$ if the benefits were dramatic enough, but I'm sorry to say that the dealbreaker was that they were just too big for the room. It doesn't help that they are so bland and boxy. The 7006 would probably work for me, but I'm a little gun shy right now. I don't really have a lot of time to spend setting up and evaluating another set of speakers at moment, so for now I'll just have to seek some opinions. Any advice from those who have debated between these two models? My room isn't terribly large. It's roughly 12' deep x 20' wide x 7.5' high, and I'll be sitting about 9 feet from the mains.
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FYI...I just saw a pair of Definitive Technology BP7000SC and Definitive Technology C/L/R 3000 on www.Audigon.com.


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I just got a pair of Mythos 2s to replace some Mirage Omnisats and I'm a little surprised by the results. I wanted to get something with a little more low end than the Omnisats and thought the Mythos 2 would fit the bill. The Omnisats are only rated down to 70Hz and have only 1 4-1/2" driver but in comparing them I really don't notice that significant of a difference.

I have set the front speakers to large and tried various stereo and surround material with the sub and center channel disconnected. They certainly sound and look great but I guess I was expecting more. Is the 45Hz rating an exaggeration?


45Hz yes, with a earth shattering authority..not likely. Definitives provides you witha a slower slope on the bottom end, their Fs is rated at -10dB which follows FTC/FCC standard requirements. I would also like to know more about your system to see where there is a possible drain in dynamics.

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45Hz yes, with a earth shattering authority..not likely. Definitives provides you witha a slower slope on the bottom end, their Fs is rated at -10dB which follows FTC/FCC standard requirements. I would also like to know more about your system to see where there is a possible drain in dynamics.

~Bob

Thanks for the response. I have them hooked up to a Harman Kardon AVR-235, I set the front speakers to large and set the crossovers to 40Hz so that bass would not be redirected to the sub (I think the specific crossover setting overrides the small/large setting but did both just for grins). The source is an optical digital connection from a PC (lossless stereo and DTS files). The listening room is about 16'x20'.

I think I will try a speaker switcher so I can get a more "instant" comparison as opposed to moving the connections although it doesn't take that long with banana plugs. In any case, the Mythos seem to be slightly louder but I really can't detect any bass improvements over the Omnisats. I really thought the differences would be more obvious given the much lower rating of the Mythos??
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Hi. I just ordered the ProCinema 100 series. I upgraded the center channel to the ProCenter C2 for better performance. The A/V receiver that will power this speaker setup is the RX-V1600. I couldn't pass this setup because I got everything for 10% over cost because I take care of there customers when I install a satellite system for there customers. I was wondering if anyone has any problems with the ProCinema 100 series?

Thank You!
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crbaldwin, Yeah I don't know that it would be dramatic but you will notice a fuller sound in the mid/bass.

tvjunky, Yer gonna be grinning a few, take some pics and give us a list, and don't be afraid to ask questions if you need help.

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My friend just bought the following:

Front Speakers BP7004 (2)
Center Channel CLR2300 (1)
Rear Speakers BP1.2X (2)

How do you mount the BP1.2X? Does it have a hole in it so that you can hang it on a screw that's screwed into a stud, or do you need mounting brackets? If mounting brackets, which are you using?

For the center, I'm thinking about a 19"-21" tv wall mount.
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Grayson73,

They have a keyhole mounts on the back.

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They have a keyhole mounts on the back.

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So that means that I can hang them on a screw and have them flush against the wall? I assume that since they are bi-polar that they don't have a port.

Does the CLR2300 have a port? If so, how far from the wall does the back of the speaker need to be from the wall?
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Hi. I just ordered the ProCinema 100 series. I upgraded the center channel to the ProCenter C2 for better performance. The A/V receiver that will power this speaker setup is the RX-V1600. I couldn't pass this setup because I got everything for 10% over cost because I take care of there customers when I install a satellite system for there customers. I was wondering if anyone has any problems with the ProCinema 100 series?

Thank You!

I have had the pro 100's for over six years. Now they are with my bedroom stereo. I have had problems with the tweeters on two of the four that I have. At times during music or test tones the tweeters sound very harsh. I never did figure it out.
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I just finished my basement and have been auditioning different speakers. I listened to the 7004's today at magnolia and they sounded great, especially with the sc2 connected. I wanted to audition the 7002's but they didn't have them setup. My question is, is there a big difference between the two? The room I'm putting them in has an area approx. 20*15 for HT and is open on two sides. Which set would suit that room better? Also, for a receiver, I was looking at either the denon 2807 or 4306. Would the 2807 do the speakers justice or would I need more power?

Also, due to room constraints an WAF, I have to use in-ceilings for the surrounds. Magnolia only carries Speakercraft in-ceilings. Would pairing those with deftechs be o.k or should I find a place to get the def tech in-ceilings? Or is there another brand of in-ceilings that I should look at?

Finally, I was thinking about auditioning the klipch reference speakers as well. I assume that everyone here is biased toward deftech, but can anyone give me a reason to go with the deftech's over the klipches? I would be using them for 99% home theater and gaming and rarely for music.

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Slash007,

I would say take the plunge on the 7002, I think they would be much fuller sounding in the mid section especially of the room is open. As for the in-ceiling, yes find a local dealer..and get the UIW-BPZ/A's These will match up very well. For the Center either the CLR2500 or CLR3000 will match the 7002's.

Grayson73, yes the CLR series has a port on the back I would give them 12in from a wall so that turbulence won't occur.

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Is it true that the BP7004 and CLR2300 have powered subs in them? Does this mean that each speaker has a subwoofer input?

If so, how would you hook up the single sub output from the receiver to the 3 sub inputs for the 3 speakers?

I assume that I would still set all 3 speakers to 'small' so that LFE goes to the subs.
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I just finished my basement and have been auditioning different speakers. I listened to the 7004's today at magnolia and they sounded great, especially with the sc2 connected. I wanted to audition the 7002's but they didn't have them setup. My question is, is there a big difference between the two? The room I'm putting them in has an area approx. 20*15 for HT and is open on two sides. Which set would suit that room better? Also, for a receiver, I was looking at either the denon 2807 or 4306. Would the 2807 do the speakers justice or would I need more power?

Also, due to room constraints an WAF, I have to use in-ceilings for the surrounds. Magnolia only carries Speakercraft in-ceilings. Would pairing those with deftechs be o.k or should I find a place to get the def tech in-ceilings? Or is there another brand of in-ceilings that I should look at?

Finally, I was thinking about auditioning the klipch reference speakers as well. I assume that everyone here is biased toward deftech, but can anyone give me a reason to go with the deftech's over the klipches? I would be using them for 99% home theater and gaming and rarely for music.

Thanks

With regard to your Klipsch vs. Def Tech question; I recently jumped on the Def Tech bandwagon, and can give you a quick rundown of why. I visited a dealer that sells both of the manufacturer's speakers, and my salesman was pushing hard on the Klipsch reference line. He played the same material through both speakers (I'm a jazz and classical fan on the music side with a lot of mainstream rock thrown in, and my movie tastes pretty much run the gamut). To my ear, the Def Techs were a lot smoother and even throughout the audio spectrum, not too bright or too mellow, and had a much wider soundstage (I went with BP10b bipolar fronts, CLR 2300 center, BPX surrounds, and SuperCube II sub). The Klipsch speakers are not bad by any stretch, but I think you're either a horn fan or you are not. The audio spectrum seemed to be tilted heavier to the low side and the sound just seemed muddier and more focal to me. Would I say that you should go with one rather than the other? No way. Listen to both, and more from other manufacturers if you can. As you know, there are dozens of manufacturers and dozens of models from each manufacturer, so it can be daunting. If you're patient and stay true to your ears rather than what the salesman is trying to convince you of, you'll find the speaker that sounds perfect to you. And since you're the one shelling out the money, isn't that what's most important?

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The key word in your review is "soundstage". I have not heard another speaker with a better or bigger soundstage. Thats the first thing that grabbed me about Def Techs and that was the Pro400 tower the smallest direct radiating speaker I think they ever made tower wise I should say not book shelf. Since we are on the official DT thread I can say this I love Definitive speakers. I think a lot of people are catching on to that fact. J.H.
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With regard to your Klipsch vs. Def Tech question; I recently jumped on the Def Tech bandwagon, and can give you a quick rundown of why. I visited a dealer that sells both of the manufacturer's speakers, and my salesman was pushing hard on the Klipsch reference line. He played the same material through both speakers (I'm a jazz and classical fan on the music side with a lot of mainstream rock thrown in, and my movie tastes pretty much run the gamut). To my ear, the Def Techs were a lot smoother and even throughout the audio spectrum, not too bright or too mellow, and had a much wider soundstage (I went with BP10b bipolar fronts, CLR 2300 center, BPX surrounds, and SuperCube II sub). The Klipsch speakers are not bad by any stretch, but I think you're either a horn fan or you are not. The audio spectrum seemed to be tilted heavier to the low side and the sound just seemed muddier and more focal to me. Would I say that you should go with one rather than the other? No way. Listen to both, and more from other manufacturers if you can. As you know, there are dozens of manufacturers and dozens of models from each manufacturer, so it can be daunting. If you're patient and stay true to your ears rather than what the salesman is trying to convince you of, you'll find the speaker that sounds perfect to you. And since you're the one shelling out the money, isn't that what's most important?

you are correct, and I will audition both brands as well as others. To be honest though, I am really leaning toward the def tech's at this point. Another question, what difference can I expect using a center with the sub as opposed to one with out? If I am using the 7002's + a scII, is the difference really noticable? khellandros66 stated that either the 3000 or 2500 center would match the 7002's. If I decide to go without a sub in the center, would the subless clr2002 match fine?
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Slash007,

I would say take the plunge on the 7002, I think they would be much fuller sounding in the mid section especially of the room is open. As for the in-ceiling, yes find a local dealer..and get the UIW-BPZ/A's These will match up very well. For the Center either the CLR2500 or CLR3000 will match the 7002's.

Grayson73, yes the CLR series has a port on the back I would give them 12in from a wall so that turbulence won't occur.

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about the in-ceilings, I checked out the uiw-bpz/a's and they are rectangular. Wouldn't I be better served using the circular one's with a pivoting tweeter?
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Is it true that the BP7004 and CLR2300 have powered subs in them? Does this mean that each speaker has a subwoofer input?

If so, how would you hook up the single sub output from the receiver to the 3 sub inputs for the 3 speakers?

I assume that I would still set all 3 speakers to 'small' so that LFE goes to the subs.

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Anyone?

They do have a sub input, but all you have to do is set the speakers as "large" and the full output will go to the speakers using only speaker wire. Then you can either not use a seperate sub and turn the sub output on the receiver off, or leave it on and use it as you normally would. I don't have these speakers but I asked this same question during my research and that's how I found out. Good luck
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