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post #36181 of 36197 Old 06-10-2017, 01:26 PM
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Got to have some major tuning fun today and am really pleased with the results. Not the newest gear per session but thought it might be interesting to share tickets the recent conversations around tuning and system setup.

Decided to look into upgrading from a Procinema 800 system that I'd been using for nearly a decade and started my quest a couple of months ago. The 800 sounded good but I was after some meatier tone and after buying individual components I ended up with a 'Best of Craigslist' 3.1 consisting of a CLR2002, a pair of SM350s, and a DIY 15' sub that kicks serious butt. I was so impressed by the 350s that I naturally wondered if the 450s would offer even more, and my enterprising wife snagged me a surprise pair for my birthday. Finally got to dial them in today and they offer the same level of improvement as the 350s did coming from the 800s.

The 350s sounded great but I ran them crossed at 60 Hz and with a +1 Db boost at 63 Hz to get some upper-bass fullness. However, I found that I also had to cross my sub at 70Hz while boosting 40 Hz and 63 Hz at +2 and +1 respectively to get a quality blend; the upper bass and low mids were just too thin or too congested otherwise. I also had to cut the sub -1 at 100Hz to further avoid clutter in that region.

Switching to the 450s though provides not only the bigger and louder sound one would expect but also allows me to really dial in my low-end in a way that has made my full-range much clearer. I now have the 450s crossed at 70 Hz but have 63 Hz cut -1 instead of boosted and my sub is crossed at 90 instead of 70 and both 40 and 63 Hz are flat instead of boosted and 100 Hz is cut -2 instead of -1. This doesn't sound like much but the naturally-bigger low-end of the 450 provides more beef even with the higher crossover and the higher sub crossover allows for better LFE support for movies while retaining the full-but-clear upper bass and low mids. This also allows me to dial in another decibel or two at the highest treble for more presence and shimmer without sounding overly bright.

My AVR is an 8 yr. old Onkyo TX-SR607 that sounds great and I'm really happy with this setup, especially considering the price-to-performance. It has Audyssey 2EQ which sounds OK but my settings offer a much bigger and more balanced soundstage. This older Def Tech gear really is a killer value right now.
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This older Def Tech gear really is a killer value right now.
Totally agree. I'm upgrading some of my dt speakers that I have had for many years with some of the models I couldn't afford when they were new. Just being out of college in the mid to late 90s I settled for a pair of BP30s which I still have but wanted the bp2000s. Recently scored another pair of BP30s and negotiated a deal on bpvx. Maybe try to upgrade to a clr3000 this summer.
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So I just completed a deal for a pair of bpvxs. Unfortunately I was unable to obtain the bp2000s I was after. Anyway as Tim recommended I am going to try the bpvxs as side surrounds and a pair of Bp30s as rears. I have ceiling speakers for Atmos and am trying to figure out how high I should mount the bpvxs. Ceiling height is 8'10". How high should the top of the bpvx be off the floor? I am guessing maybe 5ft?
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So I just completed a deal for a pair of bpvxs. Unfortunately I was unable to obtain the bp2000s I was after. Anyway as Tim recommended I am going to try the bpvxs as side surrounds and a pair of Bp30s as rears. I have ceiling speakers for Atmos and am trying to figure out how high I should mount the bpvxs. Ceiling height is 8'10". How high should the top of the bpvx be off the floor? I am guessing maybe 5ft?
4-5 years ago surrounds should of been 2' above seated position. Now with new format it needs to be ear level.
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4-5 years ago surrounds should of been 2' above seated position. Now with new format it needs to be ear level.
Tweeter at ear level? The bpvx is a pretty long speaker.
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Tweeter at ear level? The bpvx is a pretty long speaker.
Yeah. Tweet at ear level. Of course if seating blocks speaker move higher.
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Nice, don't you have BP7001SC already?
Nope, just graduated from some 2006 towers...Quite the upgrade!

Hunting down an amp now.
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Nice, don't you have BP7001SC already?
Nope, just graduated from some 2006 towers...Quite the upgrade!

Hunting down an amp now.
I like my NAD amp, was recommended brand from Chet at Def Tech.
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Just bored today so I'd thought I'd make a video for YouTube on the ProMonitor 800's since you can't find much on those. This is a blend of music at 90db using just the two side surrounds. After adjusting the EQ manually in MCAAC Pro they sound great!



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I like my NAD amp, was recommended brand from Chet at Def Tech.
What model do you have? Rated @?
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Hello,

I just bought some 9060s for the front and 9040s for surround. I'm running them with an HSU sub and a Marantz sr7011 that came with Audyssey xt32. My question is regarding the Audyssey, so I'm not sure if I should ask here or in that thread but they are speaker specific.

I hooked up the fronts with only speaker wire. I have a mic tripod and ran through the setup like normal. Audyssey reports to the AVR to set my front crossovers to 150hz which does not seem accurate at all, let alone the gap between the sub.

For comparison, my Polk Audio RTi8's in the exact locations in the exact room were registering at 40hz.

Any suggestions? Is this have something to do with the nature of the speakers? I've already went through the FAQ and understand that Audyssey is calculating the -3db point but 150hz just seems off and messes up the sound.
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Hello,

I just bought some 9060s for the front and 9040s for surround. I'm running them with an HSU sub and a Marantz sr7011 that came with Audyssey xt32. My question is regarding the Audyssey, so I'm not sure if I should ask here or in that thread but they are speaker specific.

I hooked up the fronts with only speaker wire. I have a mic tripod and ran through the setup like normal. Audyssey reports to the AVR to set my front crossovers to 150hz which does not seem accurate at all, let alone the gap between the sub.

For comparison, my Polk Audio RTi8's in the exact locations in the exact room were registering at 40hz.

Any suggestions? Is this have something to do with the nature of the speakers? I've already went through the FAQ and understand that Audyssey is calculating the -3db point but 150hz just seems off and messes up the sound.
Where is your onboard crossover set? You might have the subs inadvertently crossed over too high or something like that.

Beyond that I'd just play with it until it either gets it right or you just set the crossover yourself after it runs. Definitely odd that the measurement is so high though.
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Hello,

I just bought some 9060s for the front and 9040s for surround. I'm running them with an HSU sub and a Marantz sr7011 that came with Audyssey xt32. My question is regarding the Audyssey, so I'm not sure if I should ask here or in that thread but they are speaker specific.

I hooked up the fronts with only speaker wire. I have a mic tripod and ran through the setup like normal. Audyssey reports to the AVR to set my front crossovers to 150hz which does not seem accurate at all, let alone the gap between the sub.

For comparison, my Polk Audio RTi8's in the exact locations in the exact room were registering at 40hz.

Any suggestions? Is this have something to do with the nature of the speakers? I've already went through the FAQ and understand that Audyssey is calculating the -3db point but 150hz just seems off and messes up the sound.
I've gotten weird crossover points out of Audyssey before as well. Not quite THAT weird, but you know......

My latest calibration I used all 8 positions instead of stopping at the minimum of 3...and I feel much more confident in the results. My SM 65's measured 60hz on the front L/R mains, and 40hz on the other 5 speakers.

I'd probably discard it as an anomaly and do another calibration.

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So.. i'm done measuring, adjusting, and tweaking. I have it sounding pretty good so I'm going to leave it alone. I sent the measuring mic back and deleted REW off of the laptop and now it's just time to sit back and listen!



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Hello,

I just bought some 9060s for the front and 9040s for surround. I'm running them with an HSU sub and a Marantz sr7011 that came with Audyssey xt32. My question is regarding the Audyssey, so I'm not sure if I should ask here or in that thread but they are speaker specific.

I hooked up the fronts with only speaker wire. I have a mic tripod and ran through the setup like normal. Audyssey reports to the AVR to set my front crossovers to 150hz which does not seem accurate at all, let alone the gap between the sub.

For comparison, my Polk Audio RTi8's in the exact locations in the exact room were registering at 40hz.

Any suggestions? Is this have something to do with the nature of the speakers? I've already went through the FAQ and understand that Audyssey is calculating the -3db point but 150hz just seems off and messes up the sound.
I had a similar problem with my CLR 3000 when the sub gain was set too low. Try turning it up a little and see if that helps
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Thanks guys for the suggestions. I resolved the issue and it's kind of embarrassing The DefTechs need a separate power supply to activate the mid/low woofers. The way the instructions are written in the manual, it made it seem like the sub still activates with speaker wire and are only needed to be plugged in when you want to use the subwoofer as your dedicated sub for LFE and really low frequencies. Since I was running an HSU sub, I thought I didn't need to plug them in.

Anyway, since I did, I can still set to "small" and crossover to 80hz and it sounds a ton better. When I ran Audyssey again, it registered them as full band and set it to 40hz (which I can switch back to small/80).
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