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Silver??? Hmmm.. not sure about that. I like all black and I don't like those colored woofers like some companies use. Well you know they're wanting to stay with that "D" logo and go away from "Definitive".


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Yeah I saw a quick add that flashed some new products saying "look for big cedia announcement" and it looked like a new bookshelf flashes extremely quickly and it did indeed just have the "D" logo. Something else I don't know if I like. I remember when I first got into Def Tech they had removable metal "Definitive" logos you stuck in the front of speakers. It looked cool.

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Yeah I saw a quick add that flashed some new products saying "look for big cedia announcement" and it looked like a new bookshelf flashes extremely quickly and it did indeed just have the "D" logo. Something else I don't know if I like. I remember when I first got into Def Tech they had removable metal "Definitive" logos you stuck in the front of speakers. It looked cool.

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Here's a few quick screenshots I could get from Instagram. All I know is they better step their game up!




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Yes that's it exactly. I stumbled onto it the other day and have been trying to find it ever since. I will know right away with the bookshelf speakers by one spec, if they weigh 12 pounds or 14 they went in the wrong direction. That means they are cutting corners, cutting weight to save on shipping and be damned the sound.
This is was my last Def Tech set up anyway. After this it's going to be time to move on. Something ID like PSA or Ascend acoustics and quite a few others. Those two just have my attention right now. Salk is another one but these are all gonna cost money, money I don't have right now and I'm not replacing brand be Def Techs that sound awesome, really, really awesome for the hell of it. I love these Def Techs, I just fear the next round will not be as good. Hey I could be wrong, they just may surprise us all.

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Ok guys so here is a little game and hope it's fun! Help me find best way/combo setup this theater room. It's by no means a great room for doing this but it's what I have to work with.

Plans is to have 7.1.4. However the tower also have subs since DT so it's not a true 7.1.4.

Here is all the speakers I have at my place now that I can use. Trying to use what I have and then try replace center. Might sell off extra stuff.

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BP2000 x2
BP7002 x2
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SUB: Klipch SW115

So where would you place these speakers in the mock ups and why?

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Plan for towers by platform is run speaker wires to each tower though the platform and also power.
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I'm wondering if anyone with the original mythos st have a strange noise coming from their powered woofer? I just replaced the woofer in my left tower twice both times it has the exact same noise, almost sounds like a bad spider, but there is no way all 3 woofers have a spider issue. Im at a loss I checked all the seals around the radiators and the woofers themselves and they're all perfect. The sound is 100% coming from the woofer itself.. Cannot figure out what's going on or what's causing the noise, hoping someone here has a suggestion. The noise isn't audible until the receiver is around -20 and grows increasingly more noticeable as it gets louder. The problem is every time I try to record it to give an example of what's happening - the music or movie volume makes the actual noise almost unnoticeable. That's obviously only an issue with trying to record it & it's much more noticeable in person.


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Is that the Sub in the back between the doors?
Does it have to stay there?

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Is that the Sub in the back between the doors?
Does it have to stay there?
Sorry bad drawing. That is a small pony wall that the door opens to. There is a door stopper at bottom for it. I didn't place any subs in the room other that ones in BP towers. So no idea where Klipsh will go or if needed.

Also the 4 theater chairs will have these new SoundShakers installed and pit sofa will have my 4 Aura Bass Shakers added.
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Ok guys so here is a little game and hope it's fun! Help me find best way/combo setup this theater room. It's by no means a great room for doing this but it's what I have to work with.

Plans is to have 7.1.4. However the tower also have subs since DT so it's not a true 7.1.4.

Here is all the speakers I have at my place now that I can use. Trying to use what I have and then try replace center. Might sell off extra stuff.

DT Speakers:

BP2000 x2
BP7002 x2
CLR 2500
BP2X x2
BPX x2
ProMonitor 1000 x6
Di 6.5R x4

SUB: Klipch SW115

So where would you place these speakers in the mock ups and why?

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Plan for towers by platform is run speaker wires to each tower though the platform and also power.
Bp2000 fronts
Get clr 2000/3000 center
7002 sides
Bpx back above couch- like me you don't have a lot of room to spread the bpx apart- that's okay it will work fine.
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Bp2000 fronts
Get clr 2000/3000 center
7002 sides
Bpx back above couch- like me you don't have a lot of room to spread the bpx apart- that's okay it will work fine.
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This is what I was kinda thinking. I think others pointing this way too. The Towers for surrounds will be awesome however I just don't like how they will look in the room. So thinking the BPX get them as far apart as I can?

Going to have the platform I think have speaker jacks at each end where towers are. Easy plug in then. Also add power plugs at each.
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I'm wondering if anyone with the original mythos st have a strange noise coming from their powered woofer? I just replaced the woofer in my left tower twice both times it has the exact same noise, almost sounds like a bad spider, but there is no way all 3 woofers have a spider issue. Im at a loss I checked all the seals around the radiators and the woofers themselves and they're all perfect. The sound is 100% coming from the woofer itself.. Cannot figure out what's going on or what's causing the noise, hoping someone here has a suggestion. The noise isn't audible until the receiver is around -20 and grows increasingly more noticeable as it gets louder. The problem is every time I try to record it to give an example of what's happening - the music or movie volume makes the actual noise almost unnoticeable. That's obviously only an issue with trying to record it & it's much more noticeable in person.


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Have you tried it with the grills removed? Mine rattle when the volume is high or there's a significant bass note. Imo they dropped the ball with the grills. Weak and creaky.
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Have you tried it with the grills removed? Mine rattle when the volume is high or there's a significant bass note. Imo they dropped the ball with the grills. Weak and creaky.


Unfortunately yes I've tried that, it was my first step in the process and it didn't work which is what lead me to replacing the woofer. Thanks for the suggestion anyways man


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Sorry bad drawing. That is a small pony wall that the door opens to. There is a door stopper at bottom for it. I didn't place any subs in the room other that ones in BP towers. So no idea where Klipsh will go or if needed.

Also the 4 theater chairs will have these new SoundShakers installed and pit sofa will have my 4 Aura Bass Shakers added.
Ok, so as @keeper said, use that speaker combo, just mount the BPX as far apart as you can on the back wall between the window and door and you'll be fine.
The Atmos speakers should be above the front edge of each row of seating for TF/TR.
No matter what wiring configuration you go with, make sure you run RCA cable for the surrounds as well, better to have it there than not.
Placement of the speakers is good, point the bass drivers of the surrounds facing out of course. (If I remember correctly the 7002's have identical driver arrangements for the mid drivers, so you should be able to do this.)
And of course the woofers of the 2000's facing each other.

Now for connections.... I'm thinking you have a couple of real options, just choose what sounds best to you.
For your Center, also just choose what sounds best to you, Large or Small with a crossover. (Probably 80Hz)

And as far as your Fronts, your just going to have to adjust the volume and low pass filter button to taste, phase/low frequency equalization will probably be centered, but again your room and personal taste will determine all of this.

1. Place your Sub under your center, Run your Fronts as Large with all the jumpers in place. Run your surrounds as Small with an 80Hz Crossover and connect your Powered Woofers on the 7002's with the RCA cables to your LFE on the receiver using a Y connector or connectors. (Remove any jumpers on the 7002's that you need to between the mid and lows, I just don't remember how they connect)

2. Don't use the Sub, connect the surrounds as above, but also do the same with the Fronts, Small, 60-80hz crossover, LFE to the Powered Woofers with RCA cables.
(REMOVE THE JUMPERS BETWEEN MID AND LOW, THIS IS A MUST WITH THE 2000's)

3. Do the same as 2 but use the Sub as well, placement is up to you, but I'd try just in front of either surround, or again under the Center.

4. Place the Sub under the Center, run your Fronts and Surrounds as large with all the jumpers in place and speaker wire only. (Probably not enough LFE but it won't hurt anything to try, it might be OK to you)

On a side note, since I'm different, if it were me, I'd do connection 4 and add 2 more Subs placed right next to your surrounds and maybe even 2 up front instead of the one single, but again read my Sig and screen name...... LOL.

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Never has firing drivers inwards sounded better. I'd always have subs on outside.

Firing both in together introduces easy cancellation
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Possibly, but the 2000's have the powered woofers firing in opposing directions, so if you fire one out, you have to fire the other out as well, so that would mean the left woofer would fire straight into the wall according to the diagram.

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Def Tech says they have a big announcement next week at CEDIA '17. The new bookshelves maybe?


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They definitely need new subs to compete with the ID companies. I'm really hoping it's a new bookshelf speaker and maybe not "Studio Monitor". They need that nice flat squared off design with a nice look with the grills off and nicer looking speakers.. maybe better tweeters!


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I was told the new bookshelf speakers are gonna have quite a bit of silver on the front which I'm not sure I'm gonna like. I'm not saying I won't but I'm not sure until I see them. Hopefully by Tuesday we'll see what they have come up with

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There's an ad in the brand-new issue of Sound and Vision magazine that shows the new bookshelves. No specs or explanation, just a pic of 3 of them. Not much in the way of info or specs.....

"Demand Series bookshelf speakers are proof of this ethos, conceived and executed under Southern California's golden hue of innovation.

Laterally offset tweeters engineered for the most precise imaging that eliminate synthetic diffraction.

Upward firing bass radiators to ensure every aspect of their deep low end is clean, heard and felt within and around you.

An extruded aluminum front baffle whose look forever embodies our timeless aesthetic.

This and more--because, like you, we demand it.

This is what obsession sounds like."

The accompanying picture shows 3 models, all single tweeter and single woofer with the tweeters offset to the right. If I had to guess, I'd say 5.25", 6.5", and 8" woofers just judging from the picture.

Oh, and if the front really is extruded aluminum, that's a big hunk o' metal. It looks 3/4" or 1" thick.

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Damn looks like Baja's store is closing too. Just noticed he got almost nothing left and has an add for store closing sale everything must go.

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Damn looks like Baja's store is closing too. Just noticed he got almost nothing left and has an add for store closing sale everything must go.


That honestly irritates me to an incredible level I ordered about 3,000 dollars worth of gear on the 31st and now he's offering an additional 20% off a day later..


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There's an ad in the brand-new issue of Sound and Vision magazine that shows the new bookshelves. No specs or explanation, just a pic of 3 of them. Not much in the way of info or specs.....

"Demand Series bookshelf speakers are proof of this ethos, conceived and executed under Southern California's golden hue of innovation.

Laterally offset tweeters engineered for the most precise imaging that eliminate synthetic diffraction.

Upward firing bass radiators to ensure every aspect of their deep low end is clean, heard and felt within and around you.

An extruded aluminum front baffle whose look forever embodies our timeless aesthetic.

This and more--because, like you, we demand it.

This is what obsession sounds like."

The accompanying picture shows 3 models, all single tweeter and single woofer with the tweeters offset to the right. If I had to guess, I'd say 5.25", 6.5", and 8" woofers just judging from the picture.

Oh, and if the front really is extruded aluminum, that's a big hunk o' metal. It looks 3/4" or 1" thick.
Wow and I forgot to renew my subscription. That sounds great actually, can't wait to see and hear about the rest. An 8 inch woofer would certainly be pretty awesome. I was hoping maybe they'd go 10 inch but 8 some bad either. Huh gonna have to take a serious look now.

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Damn looks like Baja's store is closing too. Just noticed he got almost nothing left and has an add for store closing sale everything must go.


Wow! What's DefTech Owners gonna do now for parts or for better deals than new? Refurbs?


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Damn looks like Baja's store is closing too. Just noticed he got almost nothing left and has an add for store closing sale everything must go.


That honestly irritates me to an incredible level I ordered about 3,000 dollars worth of gear on the 31st and now he's offering an additional 20% off a day later..

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Yeah that does stink only a day later.

I checked to see how much cheaper the sm65s I got was but could not find them. I had my stuff for a year now and got it same price as it is now listed on sale new on deftechs site. Though listed as refurb I could swear the stuff was new. The pro monitor 1000s and di5.5rs are actually listed higher right now than what I had paid.

This stinks even more for my buds and others that were told about Baja that have not got around to buying yet.

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Damn looks like Baja's store is closing too. Just noticed he got almost nothing left and has an add for store closing sale everything must go.


Wow! What's DefTech Owners gonna do now for parts or for better deals than new? Refurbs?


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Do not know about refurbs but parts are pretty easy to get directly from deftech and free most of the time surprisingly. I have had friends both order parts from Baja and directly from deftech and if not free would only charge for one part when they needed multiple.

Either way this stinks overall. I always figured I would go through him next time I wanted to upgrade. Hopefully he opens back up or they open up a new store when they need to offload refurbs, returns, or however that stock works.
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I moved furniture and re-running Audyssey...the biggest difference now is my surrounds (SR9040) are registering as 150hz for the -3dB. I'm pretty sure it hit lower last time I ran them (80hz).

Should they be angled differently so the Mic can pick it up better? They are currently on the side of the couch with the back flat side of the speaker facing away (just like the instructions).

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Ok so I thought my BP7002 were huge! OMG these BP2000 I picked up yesterday are even bigger! Soo sucks that had to tear down my home theater and haven't been able to use them yet. Move date starts Sept 22.
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Ok so I thought my BP7002 were huge! OMG these BP2000 I picked up yesterday are even bigger! Soo sucks that had to tear down my home theater and haven't been able to use them yet. Move date starts Sept 22.
Lol, the 7000's and 3000's are even bigger....
I've got 8 2000's in my room...
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There's an ad in the brand-new issue of Sound and Vision magazine that shows the new bookshelves. No specs or explanation, just a pic of 3 of them. Not much in the way of info or specs.....

"Demand Series bookshelf speakers are proof of this ethos, conceived and executed under Southern California's golden hue of innovation.

Laterally offset tweeters engineered for the most precise imaging that eliminate synthetic diffraction.

Upward firing bass radiators to ensure every aspect of their deep low end is clean, heard and felt within and around you.

An extruded aluminum front baffle whose look forever embodies our timeless aesthetic.

This and more--because, like you, we demand it.

This is what obsession sounds like."

The accompanying picture shows 3 models, all single tweeter and single woofer with the tweeters offset to the right. If I had to guess, I'd say 5.25", 6.5", and 8" woofers just judging from the picture.

Oh, and if the front really is extruded aluminum, that's a big hunk o' metal. It looks 3/4" or 1" thick.
The SM350 and SM450 had offset tweeters two generations ago... that's kind of funny.
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I have to admit I'm pretty excited to see what they have come up with here. The SM 65/55/45 really are great speakers so I'll ever interested to see if they topped them. Can't wait to see the specs.

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I'm not a fan of the bass radiators. No other speaker companies use those on their bookshelf speakers.. a lot of them are ported. I was hoping the new ones wouldn't have them. Also, I wish they had some nice looking towers with removable covers and still look nice showing the speakers… with no bass radiators and no subwoofers in them.


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Lol, the 7000's and 3000's are even bigger....
I've got 8 2000's in my room...
Good luck and let us know when you get to working on it.
The Bp3000s are the biggest speakers I have ever seen. Wife was not happy when I brought them home. They make the Bp30s look like babies.
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Passive bass radiators are actually more expensive and a upgrade over just a port.

Many companies use them and still do.

Definitely shouldn't be putting pbr on top of speakers though. Makes zero sense.
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Does anyone know when the current studio speakers came out? Just curious as to how long it took for them to be replaced.

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Does anyone know when the current studio speakers came out? Just curious as to how long it took for them to be replaced.

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I think it was 2012


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