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I have a Definitive Technology system that I purchased in 2000 with 2004TL mains, CLR-2300 center, BP2X surrounds and BP1.2X rears.

I also have several extra ProMonitor 80 and ProMonitor 60 speakers that I can utilize.

The BP2X have 14 cm bass/midrange, the BP 1.2x have 12 cm bass/midrange. The ProMonitor 80 has 4 1/2" bass/midrange and the ProMonitor 60 has 3 1/2" bass/midrange. All have the same 1" tweeter.

Am I better off switching out the bipolar speakers surrounds and rears for the Pro Cinema direct radiators to better take advantage of DTS HD Master, Dolby True HD etc.?
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I have a Definitive Technology system that I purchased in 2000 with 2004TL mains, CLR-2300 center, BP2X surrounds and BP1.2X rears.

I also have several extra ProMonitor 80 and ProMonitor 60 speakers that I can utilize.

The BP2X have 14 cm bass/midrange, the BP 1.2x have 12 cm bass/midrange. The ProMonitor 80 has 4 1/2" bass/midrange and the ProMonitor 60 has 3 1/2" bass/midrange. All have the same 1" tweeter.

Am I better off switching out the bipolar speakers surrounds and rears for the Pro Cinema direct radiators to better take advantage of DTS HD Master, Dolby True HD etc.?
If anything you may try swapping out the BP1.2x for the PM80's, that would be about it. The normal recommendation is that bi-poles are ok for surrounds, but mono-poles should be used "If you can" for rears.

While Dolby recommends only mono-poles, using bi-poles is a "very" minor compromise at best, esp as surrounds. Reason for this is that the recommendation of mono-poles has much to do with the object based portion of the audio, to help with its accuracy, and since most Atmos mixes are still 5.1 based with object audio added to that, much of the signal that your surrounds see is still channel based and no different than what we've been used to.

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Seems to be case by case, my 9040 towers and 9060 centre don't pop whether the LED's are on or off.
So been a couple days now and oddly this seems accurate that sub LED's off on these speakers seem to stop the popping. Really don't understand this as manual indicates this is just for letting you know they are on/off. But it feels like it does more than that which is kinda bleh don't like these on.
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Is anyone going to give the new Demand series a shot? Will be interesting to see how they fare in the well-established realm of Bookshelf speakers. I haven't listened to very many different speakers in my day, but I do still like the old SM series.

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Is anyone going to give the new Demand series a shot? Will be interesting to see how they fare in the well-established realm of Bookshelf speakers. I haven't listened to very many different speakers in my day, but I do still like the old SM series.
I'll give them a listen and read everything I can about them but I'm not holding my breath for any great sound. I don't why but I just feel that way. Hopefully I'll be very surprised.

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I'll give them a listen and read everything I can about them but I'm not holding my breath for any great sound. I don't why but I just feel that way. Hopefully I'll be very surprised.

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For those prices they'd better sound pretty dang good. Still makes me chuckle that Def Tech is touting the offset tweeter as an improvement when that's how they did it for the 350s and 450s two generations ago.
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For those prices they'd better sound pretty dang good. Still makes me chuckle that Def Tech is touting the offset tweeter as an improvement when that's how they did it for the 350s and 450s two generations ago.
No offense to anyone and a bigger Def Tech guy you could not find, but that is such a gimmick to me. To me these scream to be yuppie speakers that will look good next to the TV on the wall but I don't know if it'll have that quality the SM 65s and 55's I have. I don't know but for some reason I'm feeling not with these. Sold in pairs only I don't like either. I understand why but I don't like that.

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I’d like to hear them but I’m going with floor speakers/towers next. If they don’t come out with some new floor speakers without the “sock” I’ll be buying a different brand (may be doing that anyway). I don’t like the sock design and I don’t want subs in my towers. I want at least two to three 6” or bigger drivers.. no 5.25” driver that actually measures around 4.5”.


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I’d like to hear them but I’m going with floor speakers/towers next. If they don’t come out with some new floor speakers without the “sock” I’ll be buying a different brand (may be doing that anyway). I don’t like the sock design and I don’t subs in my towers. I want at least two to three 6” or bigger drivers.. no 5.25” driver that actually measures around 4.5”.


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As an owner of BP8060 towers and several cats that enjoy rubbing the edges of the speakers (front de-clawed thankfully), I understand your dislike of the sock Have you auditioned the Mythos STL towers? - no sock, made of aluminum I think, and very attractive. I don't have a Magnolia Design Center near me so I have never heard them, but I have only seen rave reviews for them (Sound and Vision and Soundstage Access are the ones I remember reading).


Yes, they have built in powered subs, but I have always been confused by the objections to them. Research from Dr. Toole and others demonstrates that multiple subwoofers allows for more even bass with fewer peaks/nulls, and a surround system of say 4 Mythos STL's (or Golden Ear Triton Ones, or BP 9080's) would spread significant bass over a listening area compared to a single external sub.


When people say the best place to position the sub is often not the best place to position the speakers, that may be true, but so what? Simply add as many additional external subs as you want, positioning them to get the best bass response for the room - and as noted above, you get the advantage of better bass smoothing with the towers AND the external sub. Also, because of the powered built-in subs, towers like the STL or BP9080X can be driven by a good AVR, without the need for additional amplification, unlike other completely passive large towers. Finally, for those with WAF, cost, or space/placement issues that prevent adding an external sub, the built in subs provide a heck of a lot of base - my 8060's make my house shake when playing the restaurant earthquake scene in San Andreas for example. Anyway, just my two cents.
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I've actually taken the sock off of my previous BP8's and my current BP8060 without any issues as I too have animals that sometimes like to think they are scratching posts, they don't look bad imo.
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People are worried about the new demand line but they should of been worried about all of the made in China speakers made from 2010 and newer.

The 8000 and 9000 series with the sm45,55 and 65 are all inferior speakers. They are the worst speakers definitive has ever made.

Also powered towers are great. Falconfan71 you need to look at it different. Good floor standing speakers are 3 way designs. Just be thankful for powered towers with amplification that's assists low frequencies. Something like a kef q900 or r900 will never have the extension of something like a bp7000. You can even look at great speakers like revel, canton or paradigm. You'll need 300-500 watts to produce quality low frequencies. Definitive towers have you covered already and you won't need a $5000 amp. You'll still need a good amp to feed all those mids that are wired in series in separate sealed cabinets.

Very hard to find a speaker that is more dynamic then something like bp7000. You'll still need a dedicated sub to have the ultimate home theater.

If you look at a speaker like definitive sm65 or bp8080 you'll see how cheap they are when you open them up and look inside.

I'd like to see inside the new demand series and it won't take a lot to be a upgrade from last generation.
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I wish he would buy my Bp30s. But yeah he hates the socks though I think they would look good in his room. I have an excellent condition clr2000 I'd throw in too. He doesn't even have a wife anymore to worry about lol.
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I own the 9060 towers and I used to have the 8060's...both sound fantastic to me.Just tonight on a whim I purchased a Crown XLS 1002 to power my 2 9060 towers and I have to say they have opened up nicely.My AVR is a marantz 1607 slim at 50wpc.I will continue to test this weekend but for the price and what I am hearing from the crown I am very impressed.

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I own the 9060 towers and I used to have the 8060's...both sound fantastic to me.Just tonight on a whim I purchased a Crown XLS 1002 to power my 2 9060 towers and I have to say they have opened up nicely.My AVR is a marantz 1607 slim at 50wpc.I will continue to test this weekend but for the price and what I am hearing from the crown I am very impressed.

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How loud is the fan on that amp?
I have never heard it on tbh.The amp runs so cool I doubt it will come on but if it did I would never hear it.

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I wish he would buy my Bp30s. But yeah he hates the socks though I think they would look good in his room. I have an excellent condition clr2000 I'd throw in too. He doesn't even have a wife anymore to worry about lol.

But distance and shipping..? It would cost too much even if I wanted them.


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I have a friend in the corporate world that gets a good rate on theater gear. I may have him pick up a set of the new bookshelf speakers so I can give them a try. If not, I have a spare set of SM450s to fall back on.
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