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I have a Definitive Technology system that I purchased in 2000 with 2004TL mains, CLR-2300 center, BP2X surrounds and BP1.2X rears.

I also have several extra ProMonitor 80 and ProMonitor 60 speakers that I can utilize.

The BP2X have 14 cm bass/midrange, the BP 1.2x have 12 cm bass/midrange. The ProMonitor 80 has 4 1/2" bass/midrange and the ProMonitor 60 has 3 1/2" bass/midrange. All have the same 1" tweeter.

Am I better off switching out the bipolar speakers surrounds and rears for the Pro Cinema direct radiators to better take advantage of DTS HD Master, Dolby True HD etc.?
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I have a Definitive Technology system that I purchased in 2000 with 2004TL mains, CLR-2300 center, BP2X surrounds and BP1.2X rears.

I also have several extra ProMonitor 80 and ProMonitor 60 speakers that I can utilize.

The BP2X have 14 cm bass/midrange, the BP 1.2x have 12 cm bass/midrange. The ProMonitor 80 has 4 1/2" bass/midrange and the ProMonitor 60 has 3 1/2" bass/midrange. All have the same 1" tweeter.

Am I better off switching out the bipolar speakers surrounds and rears for the Pro Cinema direct radiators to better take advantage of DTS HD Master, Dolby True HD etc.?
If anything you may try swapping out the BP1.2x for the PM80's, that would be about it. The normal recommendation is that bi-poles are ok for surrounds, but mono-poles should be used "If you can" for rears.

While Dolby recommends only mono-poles, using bi-poles is a "very" minor compromise at best, esp as surrounds. Reason for this is that the recommendation of mono-poles has much to do with the object based portion of the audio, to help with its accuracy, and since most Atmos mixes are still 5.1 based with object audio added to that, much of the signal that your surrounds see is still channel based and no different than what we've been used to.

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Seems to be case by case, my 9040 towers and 9060 centre don't pop whether the LED's are on or off.
So been a couple days now and oddly this seems accurate that sub LED's off on these speakers seem to stop the popping. Really don't understand this as manual indicates this is just for letting you know they are on/off. But it feels like it does more than that which is kinda bleh don't like these on.
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Is anyone going to give the new Demand series a shot? Will be interesting to see how they fare in the well-established realm of Bookshelf speakers. I haven't listened to very many different speakers in my day, but I do still like the old SM series.

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Is anyone going to give the new Demand series a shot? Will be interesting to see how they fare in the well-established realm of Bookshelf speakers. I haven't listened to very many different speakers in my day, but I do still like the old SM series.
I'll give them a listen and read everything I can about them but I'm not holding my breath for any great sound. I don't why but I just feel that way. Hopefully I'll be very surprised.

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I'll give them a listen and read everything I can about them but I'm not holding my breath for any great sound. I don't why but I just feel that way. Hopefully I'll be very surprised.

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For those prices they'd better sound pretty dang good. Still makes me chuckle that Def Tech is touting the offset tweeter as an improvement when that's how they did it for the 350s and 450s two generations ago.
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For those prices they'd better sound pretty dang good. Still makes me chuckle that Def Tech is touting the offset tweeter as an improvement when that's how they did it for the 350s and 450s two generations ago.
No offense to anyone and a bigger Def Tech guy you could not find, but that is such a gimmick to me. To me these scream to be yuppie speakers that will look good next to the TV on the wall but I don't know if it'll have that quality the SM 65s and 55's I have. I don't know but for some reason I'm feeling not with these. Sold in pairs only I don't like either. I understand why but I don't like that.

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I’d like to hear them but I’m going with floor speakers/towers next. If they don’t come out with some new floor speakers without the “sock” I’ll be buying a different brand (may be doing that anyway). I don’t like the sock design and I don’t want subs in my towers. I want at least two to three 6” or bigger drivers.. no 5.25” driver that actually measures around 4.5”.


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I’d like to hear them but I’m going with floor speakers/towers next. If they don’t come out with some new floor speakers without the “sock” I’ll be buying a different brand (may be doing that anyway). I don’t like the sock design and I don’t subs in my towers. I want at least two to three 6” or bigger drivers.. no 5.25” driver that actually measures around 4.5”.


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As an owner of BP8060 towers and several cats that enjoy rubbing the edges of the speakers (front de-clawed thankfully), I understand your dislike of the sock Have you auditioned the Mythos STL towers? - no sock, made of aluminum I think, and very attractive. I don't have a Magnolia Design Center near me so I have never heard them, but I have only seen rave reviews for them (Sound and Vision and Soundstage Access are the ones I remember reading).


Yes, they have built in powered subs, but I have always been confused by the objections to them. Research from Dr. Toole and others demonstrates that multiple subwoofers allows for more even bass with fewer peaks/nulls, and a surround system of say 4 Mythos STL's (or Golden Ear Triton Ones, or BP 9080's) would spread significant bass over a listening area compared to a single external sub.


When people say the best place to position the sub is often not the best place to position the speakers, that may be true, but so what? Simply add as many additional external subs as you want, positioning them to get the best bass response for the room - and as noted above, you get the advantage of better bass smoothing with the towers AND the external sub. Also, because of the powered built-in subs, towers like the STL or BP9080X can be driven by a good AVR, without the need for additional amplification, unlike other completely passive large towers. Finally, for those with WAF, cost, or space/placement issues that prevent adding an external sub, the built in subs provide a heck of a lot of base - my 8060's make my house shake when playing the restaurant earthquake scene in San Andreas for example. Anyway, just my two cents.
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I've actually taken the sock off of my previous BP8's and my current BP8060 without any issues as I too have animals that sometimes like to think they are scratching posts, they don't look bad imo.
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People are worried about the new demand line but they should of been worried about all of the made in China speakers made from 2010 and newer.

The 8000 and 9000 series with the sm45,55 and 65 are all inferior speakers. They are the worst speakers definitive has ever made.

Also powered towers are great. Falconfan71 you need to look at it different. Good floor standing speakers are 3 way designs. Just be thankful for powered towers with amplification that's assists low frequencies. Something like a kef q900 or r900 will never have the extension of something like a bp7000. You can even look at great speakers like revel, canton or paradigm. You'll need 300-500 watts to produce quality low frequencies. Definitive towers have you covered already and you won't need a $5000 amp. You'll still need a good amp to feed all those mids that are wired in series in separate sealed cabinets.

Very hard to find a speaker that is more dynamic then something like bp7000. You'll still need a dedicated sub to have the ultimate home theater.

If you look at a speaker like definitive sm65 or bp8080 you'll see how cheap they are when you open them up and look inside.

I'd like to see inside the new demand series and it won't take a lot to be a upgrade from last generation.
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I wish he would buy my Bp30s. But yeah he hates the socks though I think they would look good in his room. I have an excellent condition clr2000 I'd throw in too. He doesn't even have a wife anymore to worry about lol.
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I own the 9060 towers and I used to have the 8060's...both sound fantastic to me.Just tonight on a whim I purchased a Crown XLS 1002 to power my 2 9060 towers and I have to say they have opened up nicely.My AVR is a marantz 1607 slim at 50wpc.I will continue to test this weekend but for the price and what I am hearing from the crown I am very impressed.

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I own the 9060 towers and I used to have the 8060's...both sound fantastic to me.Just tonight on a whim I purchased a Crown XLS 1002 to power my 2 9060 towers and I have to say they have opened up nicely.My AVR is a marantz 1607 slim at 50wpc.I will continue to test this weekend but for the price and what I am hearing from the crown I am very impressed.

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How loud is the fan on that amp?
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How loud is the fan on that amp?
I have never heard it on tbh.The amp runs so cool I doubt it will come on but if it did I would never hear it.

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I wish he would buy my Bp30s. But yeah he hates the socks though I think they would look good in his room. I have an excellent condition clr2000 I'd throw in too. He doesn't even have a wife anymore to worry about lol.

But distance and shipping..? It would cost too much even if I wanted them.


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I have a friend in the corporate world that gets a good rate on theater gear. I may have him pick up a set of the new bookshelf speakers so I can give them a try. If not, I have a spare set of SM450s to fall back on.
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I own the 9060 towers and I used to have the 8060's...both sound fantastic to me.Just tonight on a whim I purchased a Crown XLS 1002 to power my 2 9060 towers and I have to say they have opened up nicely.My AVR is a marantz 1607 slim at 50wpc.I will continue to test this weekend but for the price and what I am hearing from the crown I am very impressed.

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I've read many posts of people loving the use of an external amp with their dt speakers. I often thought of trying one for my bp3000 and Bp30s. As of now I am using a yam.3040.
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I've read many posts of people loving the use of an external amp with their dt speakers. I often thought of trying one for my bp3000 and Bp30s. As of now I am using a yam.3040.
Yea I've always wanted to try an external amp and I've heard of great things about pro amps in home theater.I decided what the hell and tried one for myself and I am really glad I did.My towers love the wattage and I have yet to have any thump from my towers upon initial turn on of my AVR like I used too when my amps in my towers would engage for the initial start up.The crown amp has been an awesome upgrade to my system.

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Yea I've always wanted to try an external amp and I've heard of great things about pro amps in home theater.I decided what the hell and tried one for myself and I am really glad I did.My towers love the wattage and I have yet to have any thump from my towers upon initial turn on of my AVR like I used too when my amps in my towers would engage for the initial start up.The crown amp has been an awesome upgrade to my system.

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That's good to hear. I've been looking at that particular amp to power some bass shakers. The problem is I need a very quiet amp as it would be placed right behind the listening position. Everything I have read about it states the fan rarely comes on if at all. Good price too. Wouldn't mind trying it with some of my dt speakers as well. I have something like 36 drivers in my system and I know I could use more power.
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I've read many posts of people loving the use of an external amp with their dt speakers. I often thought of trying one for my bp3000 and Bp30s. As of now I am using a yam.3040.
I've said this a few times but figure it can't hurt to repeat it again, (this is simply my opinion) but when it comes to "power" and our speakers, they simply don't fall into the same category as most others.
It's not how much available power to each speaker, it's how much available power to each driver, and with many of DefTech's offerings having multiple midrange drivers, this in turn changes the amount of power you want available for each speaker, to allow it to work to it's full potential.
I personally think that the drivers DefTech uses like at least 50w minimum per 5.25" driver, and 75w minimum per 6.5" driver, to put them in their sweet spot of efficiency and performance. Do you "Need" that much, absolutely not, but boy do they shine when you give it to them....
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That's good to hear. I've been looking at that particular amp to power some bass shakers. The problem is I need a very quiet amp as it would be placed right behind the listening position. Everything I have read about it states the fan rarely comes on if at all. Good price too. Wouldn't mind trying it with some of my dt speakers as well. I have something like 36 drivers in my system and I know I could use more power.
Absolutely!...my fan on my 1002 has yet to come on and even if it did would be pretty quiet I'm sure.My towers are 92 DB sensitive so I probably will never hear it anyway...lol.My crown is quiet too as far a hiss and I've got the gain knobs at 10 on it as well.It really is a great upgrade and I'm having fun testing it's limits that I have yet to do.These XLS V2 crowns are meant for home use with there .775 voltage reads.I am glad crown has done this as it's given me a great way to add amplification to my towers without destroying my wallet.

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I've said this a few times but figure it can't hurt to repeat it again, (this is simply my opinion) but when it comes to "power" and our speakers, they simply don't fall into the same category as most others.
It's not how much available power to each speaker, it's how much available power to each driver, and with many of DefTech's offerings having multiple midrange drivers, this in turn changes the amount of power you want available for each speaker, to allow it to work to it's full potential.
I personally think that the drivers DefTech uses like at least 50w minimum per 5.25" driver, and 75w minimum per 6.5" driver, to put them in their sweet spot of efficiency and performance. Do you "Need" that much, absolutely not, but boy do they shine when you give it to them....
Since purchasing my crown yesterday I am finding this to be true the more I test.My towers really shine with more power being introduced.Tomorrow I am going to really open my towers up and see how far I can push them with my crown amp in place...

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But isn’t it true that a speaker can only handle so much power/wattage? Or that it only requires a certain amount? So, when is an external amp necessary?


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From my limited knowledge too little power is what damages speakers...not too much.......I would rather have to much than too little.So far I'm glad I purchased my crown amp for my towers.They are opening up like they never have before.Im extremely happy I got it.

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It's not that they can only "handle" so much power, it's the demands you place on the speaker to achieve the volume levels you want.
Speakers draw power from the amp, so as long as you don't try and "draw" too much to achieve a volume level that is beyond the speakers (drivers in that speaker) capabilities, you can never actually have too much power in standby, where the "too much power" & "specs of a speaker" come into the equation is having more available power than is recommended, and trying to actually push the speaker beyond its limits, then it simply becomes a matter of personal self control.

As far as the minimum requirements, this is too help limit distortion from trying to force a speaker to go beyond the limits of the available power, amp clipping can destroy a speaker just as much as trying to get it to play beyond its means, and quite often it does.

The so called "sweet spot" I mentioned earlier has to do with having enough power for the driver(s) to move as effortlessly as possible without taxing the amp, but to also have enough headroom that this effortless motion also continues throughout the speakers entire range, not just at the "normal" operating parameters, just because a speaker can play and even seems to play well, doesn't absolutely mean it's playing at its most efficient. And until you actually experience a speaker doing this, many times you won't even realise it.

For example, I've been through many amp changes, started with just my pioneer receiver driving all the speakers in my system, and it would still get to reference volume in my room. But until I actually bumped up and had more available power, I had no idea of what I was missing and was able to experience a truly distortion free sound and the phenomenon of volume turning into sound imaging, and not just seeming "louder", which quite often is actually mild distortion.

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