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I agree it's actually for both, the improved imaging helps to create a more enveloping experience.

The same phenomenon happens with the multiple sub scenario, while one inadequate sub in a room can sound load enough and quite often boomy, bringing in multiple subs can often sound quieter to our ears but be more enveloping over all.
It's basically because our brains interrupt distortion as volume, take away that distortion (how ever minor it may be) and you'll also remove some of the perceived volume, it's pretty eye opening when you realise that the sound didn't get louder but imaged closer to you, and the speakers seem to disappear from the room.
I have a small living room and listen to -15dB when watching movies. Audyssey also has my trim levels to abkut -4dB.

Do you think I should look into amps still?

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I have a small living room and listen to -15dB when watching movies. Audyssey also has my trim levels to abkut -4dB.

Do you think I should look into amps still?
If this is about adding a good external amp then I'm all for it. I hooked up my older Parasound amp to my Yamaha receiver as the processor and it's quite a difference. Dynamics and headroom for days. They are powering SM 65 LCR and SM 55 surrounds. The Parasound is rated conservatively 140 watts all 5 channels.

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If this is about adding a good external amp then I'm all for it. I hooked up my older Parasound amp to my Yamaha receiver as the processor and it's quite a difference. Dynamics and headroom for days. They are powering SM 65 LCR and SM 55 surrounds. The Parasound is rated conservatively 140 watts all 5 channels.

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Forgot to mention, I'm using Marantz SR7011 as my receiver

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I have a small living room and listen to -15dB when watching movies. Audyssey also has my trim levels to abkut -4dB.

Do you think I should look into amps still?
What configuration are you running (7.1 / 5.1.4)? and what other speakers are you running?

Do you hear a difference in the speakers when listening to 2-Channel? While the 7011 is rated at 125w, that's with 2 channels driven. Try playing some music with both 2-Channel and All-Channel stereo and see if you can hear a difference in the way your Fronts sound, esp at different volumes, while in 2-Channel, there should be a sweet spot in your volume level where the imaging will be at its best, if there isn't, or it disappears when using more than 2 speakers, then yes you may want to look into a 2 or better yet 3 channel amp, personally I'd say at least something with 150w per channel (200w would be better and keeping you from wondering what if?) 50-65w per driver should be really nice for those 4.5's in the 9060's.
I know it doesn't sound like much more, but a true 150 w/ch from a good discrete amp, is quite a bit different than 125 w/ch from an AVR, even if only driving 2 channels.

Just because Audyssey has set your trim levels low, doesn't mean it's actually hearing the cleanest possible signal as well.

But it really will depend on what "you" are hearing, in "your" room, and because those are 4.5" drivers in your towers, you may actually already have enough.

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What configuration are you running (7.1 / 5.1.4)? and what other speakers are you running?

Do you hear a difference in the speakers when listening to 2-Channel? While the 7011 is rated at 125w, that's with 2 channels driven. Try playing some music with both 2-Channel and All-Channel stereo and see if you can hear a difference in the way your Fronts sound, esp at different volumes, while in 2-Channel, there should be a sweet spot in your volume level where the imaging will be at its best, if there isn't, or it disappears when using more than 2 speakers, then yes you may want to look into a 2 or better yet 3 channel amp, personally I'd say at least something with 150w per channel (200w would be better and keeping you from wondering what if?) 50-65w per driver should be really nice for those 4.5's in the 9060's.
I know it doesn't sound like much more, but a true 150 w/ch from a good discrete amp, is quite a bit different than 125 w/ch from an AVR, even if only driving 2 channels.

Just because Audyssey has set your trim levels low, doesn't mean it's actually hearing the cleanest possible signal as well.

But it really will depend on what "you" are hearing, in "your" room, and because those are 4.5" drivers in your towers, you may actually already have enough.
Wow good info, thanks. I'm running 5.1.2.

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Forgot to mention, I'm using Marantz SR7011 as my receiver
Well Marantz is still good stuff but an external amp would make the overall sound better in my opinion. People will disagree but I believe a good amp will make a very big difference.

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Well Marantz is still good stuff but an external amp would make the overall sound better in my opinion. People will disagree but I believe a good amp will make a very big difference.

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I have a Marantz 1607 with front L and R pre outs and with my crown amp it has made a huge difference for me.

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I have a Marantz 1607 with front L and R pre outs and with my crown amp it has made a huge difference for me.

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Yeah that's nice and you would hear a huge difference. Very nice, I used to run crown amps and they have power that never runs out and doesn't break a sweat. Good choice. What Def Techs are you running for L/R? I'm a little later to the party here.

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Yeah that's nice and you would hear a huge difference. Very nice, I used to run crown amps and they have power that never runs out and doesn't break a sweat. Good choice. What Def Techs are you running for L/R? I'm a little later to the party here.

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I'm running 9060 towers right now...and what made you move away from separates?..and have you tried crowns V2 XLS amps?...with there .775 voltage reads they are perfect for home use.

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With the size of my bp3000s I'm sure they would benefit from more power. I do have a Yamaha 3040 and I'm sure running 7 channels lowers the overall rating. I use an old denon to run my 4 atmos speakers. Looks like the Crown is a good choice. Was it easy to integrate?
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With the size of my bp3000s I'm sure they would benefit from more power. I do have a Yamaha 3040 and I'm sure running 7 channels lowers the overall rating. I use an old denon to run my 4 atmos speakers. Looks like the Crown is a good choice. Was it easy to integrate?
Was very easy...just plug and play basically.RCA's from AVR to amp... banana plugs from amp to towers.Play a movie or music and enjoy...As a side note crown does supply a pitiful short power cord with there amps like 3 feet...lol...I'll be getting a longer one shortly.

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