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This is where an Auto Calibration setup can help. Regarding Audyssey, it measures the -3dB of the speaker and the AVR sets the crossover and speaker to small (unless it's full/large).

It was recommended that you then raise it by an octave. Not sure how it is with the software these days, but with Audyssey XT32 you don't need to raise it since it actually accounts for the rolloff point.

The 8060s should register easily as full range and play cleanly and flat response assuming the room characteristic are either good or corrected for. If you have a separate sub, I would still recommend a small configuration with a crossover wherever it sounds and meadures best. If you don't have a separate sub, you can use the built in woofers to get the LFE channel so you don't lose that (if you ignore the LFE channel for a second, it's the same thing as running it with speaker wire since the same speakers/woofers will be playing, the difference is whether the AVR does the bass management or if you let the internals handle it and distribute the frequency). A sub can be optimally placed and handle the deep notes too.

I just got some 8080’s.. So how do you know which is the best set up? Small or Large/Full Range? If Small, 40, 60, 80hz? The opinions or thoughts on here have been half say speaker wire only set to Large and half say Small and use LFE for the tower subs. I have a VTF-3 MK5 15” sub also and a Denon X4300H with Audyssey MultEQ XT32. I’m thinking of trying the LFE option this weekend to see how the AVR manages the tower subs. I would think all that new software and sub EQ could make those tower subs sound better than just manually turning the volume knob on the back and trying to get them exactly the same by ear.


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I have the 8080’s.. So how do know which is the best set up? Small or Large/Full Range? If Small, 40, 60, 80hz? The opinions or thoughts on here have been half say speaker wire only set to Large and half say Small and use LFE for the tower subs. I have a VTF-3 MK5 15” sub also.


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You're the only one that can figure out what's best for you. We do know that you check all the boxes:

(1) You have great speaker towers that are capable of playing full range signal cleanly
(2) You have a solid separate sub that you can place where you want and where it'sbest
(3) You have 2 pre-outs on your AVR
(4) You have an Auto Calibration setup

Your options are:
(1) Run the fronts as full range and let the sub handle only the LFE
(2) Run the fronts as the woofer to also take LFE, and set them as small thru AVR. DefTech recommends if you go this route, to start at 80hz. That way, the fronts will play the frequency + LFE. The pros are that you get LFE signal from 3 locations, the fronts and the sub. Whatever your AVR crosses them, the lower signals of the front channel play through the same woofer...it's just a matter of it getting sent from AVR or letting the internals distribtue that.
(3) Run the fronts as a regular speaker only (with no LFE cable) as small with some crossover that works best. The LFE will be sent to separate sub, but your towers can play anywhere easily between 40hz through 80hz. The woofers will still be engaged.
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You're the only one that can figure out what's best for you. We do know that you check all the boxes:



(1) You have great speaker towers that are capable of playing full range signal cleanly

(2) You have a solid separate sub that you can place where you want and where it'sbest

(3) You have 2 pre-outs on your AVR

(4) You have an Auto Calibration setup



Your options are:

(1) Run the fronts as full range and let the sub handle only the LFE

(2) Run the fronts as the woofer to also take LFE, and set them as small thru AVR. DefTech recommends if you go this route, to start at 80hz. That way, the fronts will play the frequency + LFE. The pros are that you get LFE signal from 3 locations, the fronts and the sub. Whatever your AVR crosses them, the lower signals of the front channel play through the same woofer...it's just a matter of it getting sent from AVR or letting the internals distribtue that.

(3) Run the fronts as a regular speaker as small with some crossover that works best. The LFE will be sent to separate sub, but your towers can play anywhere easily between 40hz through 80hz. The woofers will still be engaged.

Trial and Error! Fun fun...


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I live in an Apartment where I don't have anyone above or below me. Only two walls on opposite sides I share with two apartments. Near by one of these I have my TV. If were to put Definitive Technology 9020ST floor towers besides those will that cause disturbance for my neighbor ?

Does anyone living in an apartment set up who has these tower speakers ? Or they are only meant for people in their sweet family homes where walls are not shared ?

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Help!!! Ok, some of you know I just got some 8080 towers. Well, when I first got them a week and half ago I sat one in front of my SM45’s just to hear it real quick. I disconnected the SM45 and connected the speaker wire to one of the 8080’s and plugged it in. I had the sub knob halfway (12 o’clock) and didn’t change any settings. Immediately I could tell how much louder it was than the 45’s and with only one tower on and no separate sub on, it sounded good and the bass was thumping. Now that I have both towers in the front where the SM45’s were they don’t sound like the one did last week. I ran Audyssey and it set them to Small at 40hz. I’ve listened at different hz on Small at on Large (Full Range), and Small at 60hz seems to sound the best. But, I don’t have nowhere near the bass now with both as I did that night with one. I’ve tried several things.. I even tried the LFE option last night by running sub cables to each towers LFE and running Audyssey. Nope.. didn’t like it! Don’t get me wrong, both towers on Small at 60hz playing with my VTF-3 MK5 sounds pretty good. But without the VTF3.5 I have no bass.. nothing like last week when I just checking one of them. I had the SM45’s on Small at 80hz and by just connecting one tower that night I was wowed. What happened? What changed? What do I need to do?


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I live in an Apartment where I don't have anyone above or below me. Only two walls on opposite sides I share with two apartments. Near by one of these I have my TV. If were to put Definitive Technology 9020ST floor towers besides those will that cause disturbance for my neighbor ?

Does anyone living in an apartment set up who has these tower speakers ? Or they are only meant for people in their sweet family homes where walls are not shared ?


I don’t think you’ll have any problems at all, and if you do you can always turn the bass knob down a tad although I doubt you’ll have to do that.


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Help!!! Ok, some of you know I just got some 8080 towers. Well, when I first got them a week and half ago I sat one in front of my SM45’s just to hear it real quick. I disconnected the SM45 and connected the speaker wire to one of the 8080’s and plugged it in. I had the sub knob halfway (12 o’clock) and didn’t change any settings. Immediately I could tell how much louder it was than the 45’s and with only one tower on and no separate sub on, it sounded good and the bass was thumping. Now that I have both towers in the front where the SM45’s were they don’t sound like the one did last week. I ran Audyssey and it set them to Small at 40hz. I’ve listened at different hz on Small at on Large (Full Range), and Small at 60hz seems to sound the best. But, I don’t have nowhere near the bass now with both as I did that night with one. I’ve tried several things.. I even tried the LFE option last night by running sub cables to each towers LFE and running Audyssey. Nope.. didn’t like it! Don’t get me wrong, both towers on Small at 60hz playing with my VTF-3 MK5 sounds pretty good. But without the VTF3.5 I have no bass.. nothing like last week when I just checking one of them. I had the SM45’s on Small at 80hz and by just connecting one tower that night I was wowed. What happened? What changed? What do I need to do?


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Well you just ran into the issues I had with powered towers. They are very hard to dial in, to get just right. There are placement issues and bass issues. Not trying to scare you but this is why I moved away from powered subs in speakers. If you can get them just right you will be wowed beyond belief. I hope you get it right and others can help you out

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I don’t think you’ll have any problems at all, and if you do you can always turn the bass knob down a tad although I doubt you’ll have to do that.


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