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post #991 of 31441 Old 12-12-2006, 09:54 PM
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Yeah it says AC~120volts 60 HZ 375watts.

So I am guessing I should plug both my BP7006's into the two high current banks?

What should I do with my Denon Receiver then? There is no more high current outs. This sounds stupid but could I run the two BP7006's off of one high current using a (1 into 2) extension cord, and run the denon into the other high current filter? Again, im using the Panamax 5100


First thing I would do is the math. Add up the power consumption numbers of all of the equip. that you want to plug into the panamax. Your subs...375 plus 375. Your receiver.....? might be something like 1000...(my 5 channel amp(rated @ 150x5) power consumption= 1400. Other components like your DVD player is going to have a much smaller power consumption number like 35. You will find the power consumption numbers on the units rear panel or on the spec sheet of your owners manual.
Do not exceed the total power consumption number of the Panamax. I looked on the web site and found the 5100, but did not see the max power consumtion figures.
Some would say that it is ok to run an extention cord the way you describe,but I would not . Before I would do this I would simply plug the extra stuff directly into a wall outlet. I use two power conditioners, and plug the "heavy" stuff into one and the "lighter" stuff onto the other. If I feel like I'm exceeding the power consumption number of the power conditioner (1800 watts) then I go directly to the wall outlet. I also try to find a receptacle that is on another circuit breaker to spread the load around. All of the above seems to work fine for me.
One more note.... I have read in a few owners manuals of power conditioners that you must have all components in a system connected to it in order to be protected, including AC power cables, coaxial cables and telephone cables(for pay-per-view systems)....further stating that failure to do this will void the connected equipment warranty.....no mention of using multiple conditioners. This gives me something to lay in bed awake at night thinking about.
I hope this helps.

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Where did you get that quote? I don't think you will do any better.






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Hello,

I'll be purchasing a Definitive Setup soon. I've been shopping around Authorized Dealers to try and get the best deal. Here is the best deal that I've been quoted so far. Is this a good deal? Has anybody gotten their setup for less than below? Can I expect to get a even further discount that below?

2X BP-7002 - $799.99/ea
1X CLR-2500 - $639.99
1X SuperCube I - $959.99
2X BP2X - $399.98

TOTAL: $3599.94 + Tax


I've been really kicking around whether to get a CLR-2002 and a SuperCube Reference, rather than a CLR-2500 and a SuperCube I... what do you guys think? I'm already over budget and can't afford the Reference + CLR-2500.

Thanks!

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I have:

Mains: Definitive Technology BP-2000TL
Rears: Def Tech BP-30
Center: Def Tech CLR-2000

Love, love, love, love them. I need a new reciever really bad though...my current 6 year old Pioneer 710s is on its last leg.
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I have:

Mains: Definitive Technology BP-2000TL
Rears: Def Tech BP-30
Center: Def Tech CLR-2000

Love, love, love, love them. I need a new reciever really bad though...my current 6 year old Pioneer 710s is on its last leg.

You should look at some Denon Receivers. I've done some testing with Denon's AVR-2807 on some BP7002's and it really sounded unique. It goes for about $1,100 and it is much better than what I experienced from Yamaha or Pioneer. However my seconds choice would be a Pioneer Elite Receiver.

Check out your closest Magnolia at BestBuy. They carry them.

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Does anyone know what the crossovers on a BP7002 are..Seems like when im playing music or theres some play when chaning to scenes on a movie..When there is action gong on it seems like there very limited and not playein g to there potential..Even when something crashes hard into something it doesnt punch..Any ideas?

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Does anyone know what the crossovers on a BP7002 are..Seems like when im playing music or theres some play when chaning to scenes on a movie..When there is action gong on it seems like there very limited and not playein g to there potential..Even when something crashes hard into something it doesnt punch..Any ideas?

I think that the crossovers are 80 Hz although it previously has not been mentioned on the Def Tech Site.

You should be getting some pretty good LFE from the 7002's -- I assume you have them set as large and if you have the capability in your receiver's setup menu to send the LFE to them. IF you can send your LFE to them, they should be sounding like it.
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OK, so I have made the final decision to go forward with getting the following system, I would like to get a few last words of advice from you other DefTec owners to make sure I am getting a good setup at a good price. I have already purchased my receiver, so I just need opinions on the speakers.


Receiver - DENON 3806 (already purchased)
Front Speakers - Definitive BP7004 x 2 @ 737.77=1475.54
Center - Definitive Center C/L/R 2500 x 1 @ 719.00
Side - Definitive Mythos Gem x 2 @ 249.00 = 498.00
Rear - Definitive Mythos Gem x 2 @ 249.00 = 498.00
Sub - Definitive PS1000 x 1 @ 499.00


Totaling inc Tax is about 4K.

So am I getting a good deal for the setup?
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I think that the crossovers are 80 Hz although it previously has not been mentioned on the Def Tech Site.

You should be getting some pretty good LFE from the 7002's -- I assume you have them set as large and if you have the capability in your receiver's setup menu to send the LFE to them. IF you can send your LFE to them, they should be sounding like it.
Good luck,

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Yeh i have it on Large and LFE going in...

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Im running the same receiver as you, drummer03. When you set speakers to large on denon, the crossover is automatically set to 80 Hz. Im running BP7006's and they sound fine. Try turning Subwoofer Settings from LFE to LFE+Main.

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Pretty sure I am going to go with Mythos speakers to replace my Kef Eggs 7.1 + B&W PV1 setup. I have heard a quick demo but the aesthetics and the mounting flexibility are contributory factors. I have a height limit of about a metre tall before the screen will obstruct the sound. I have a width of 2.6m (just over 8') for placement.

It's great having so many options but it also means there are a vast range of options. I will be going for a 6.1 setup using Gems at the rear. I am now looking to try and get a shortlist together for the front array to arrange a better demo. Bear in mind this in the UK which means its twice as expensive as in the US.

I have a few questions:

  • Is it best to stick with the same driver size or doesn't it matter?
  • How significant is the improvement with the larger drivers?
  • Is 2 x Towers + a centre better than 3 centre in a horizontal line?
  • Should I consider using a Solo?
  • Should I consider more Gems for L&R?
  • Should I keep my PV1 or trade it in against a SuperCube?
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Im running the same receiver as you, drummer03. When you set speakers to large on denon, the crossover is automatically set to 80 Hz. Im running BP7006's and they sound fine. Try turning Subwoofer Settings from LFE to LFE+Main.

Did you use the mic to tune it? I have my set accordingly...

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It seems from a lot of user reviews I have read that many people don't actually prefer the Definitive technology speakers for music. I would assume this is because of the bipolar design. But then why do so many 2 channel audio people love the Magnepans??
I am considering a tower speaker with built in subs possibly, and was looking at the 7006. I like the idea of being able to control the bass output, and a rear firing 4 1/2 driver I don't think will cause to much bass problems near a wall. But anyways, just wondering what some of the DT fans here think about these for 2 channel music?
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Did you use the mic to tune it? I have my set accordingly...

No, I didn't use the mic. I haven't tried that yet. From my understanding the mic also adjust the treble and bass levels. Definitives are good on their own so I though it sounded great when I manually set it up. However, ever since I read your post I have been making some tweaks to my setup.

Here are my setting posted below.

Speakers FL,C,FR Set to Large(Not using surrounds so i got the back spks on off)
Sub set to Yes
Sub set to LFE+Main
Distance 12ft for each.
Channel Level I left how it came. Default.
Crossover Freq. I started at the Default 80hz. But then I experimented and I now have it set to 90Hz. 100Hz sounded good, but in scenes where is alot of bass it was a little too much. Was trying to find the perfect balance.

On top of that, the only addition thing I did was set the sub levels on the speakers themselves from the 12 o'clock recommended deftech settings to the 1 o'clock setting. (clockwise).

I hope this helps some, let me know what you think.

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Just for fun, I tried watching a movie with my BP10Bs alone. It was surprisingly satisfying. Of course the full system (with BP8B surrounds and ProSub80) sounds better, but not as much so as one might think.
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So after waiting like 3 mnths for def tech to process the order, my roomate and i are going to get our audio. Here is what we are going to have when it is all sadi and done. Four definitive 7000's. One C/L/R 3000 ANd the trinity sub. This will all be powered/driven by a denon 4806cl and displayed on the pioneer profhd1. I have a panamax 5510 for power on ts way, but i need to figure out what i am going to hook my rear 7000's up too. what would be sufficient. I dont want anything too intruisize so the smaller the better. Would a small panamax or monster power uniot be good enough. Recommendations?
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So after waiting like 3 mnths for def tech to process the order, my roomate and i are going to get our audio. Here is what we are going to have when it is all sadi and done. Four definitive 7000's. One C/L/R 3000 ANd the trinity sub. This will all be powered/driven by a denon 4806cl and displayed on the pioneer profhd1. I have a panamax 5510 for power on ts way, but i need to figure out what i am going to hook my rear 7000's up too. what would be sufficient. I dont want anything too intruisize so the smaller the better. Would a small panamax or monster power uniot be good enough. Recommendations?

Dude 4 7000's! Whew that is one monster system. Talk about power! Wow thats gonna sound awesome. I have been flirting with the idea of using my older pair of 2004's as surrounds instead of my BPVXs. At least just to try it. I womder what it would sound like? I just have been too lazy to go in the basement and haul out the 2004's then hook em' up and calabrate. One of these days I'll try it. J.H.
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Eventually two of the 7000's will go to another room, but that room isn't finished yet. If i just absolutely fall in love with all 4 going in the same room the secondary room may have to settle for less
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POLL: DefTech SuperTowers: Do you prefer built-in subwoofers to face inward towards each other? or out?



P.S. I am curious how many use the outward setup, so maybe you can also tell us why you think subs work better facing outward.

Thanks!

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POLL: DefTech SuperTowers: Do you prefer built-in subwoofers to face inward towards each other? or out?



P.S. I am curious how many use the outward setup, so maybe you can also tell us why you think subs work better facing outward.

Thanks!

I have always had mine pointed in but I'm not sure which is the right way. Anyone else know? I go with pointed in towards each other.
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Mine are in. My dealer said it creates a more unifrom response.

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POLL: DefTech SuperTowers: Do you prefer built-in subwoofers to face inward towards each other? or out?



P.S. I am curious how many use the outward setup, so maybe you can also tell us why you think subs work better facing outward.

Thanks!


For most rooms, INWARD sounds better, but since we are talking about a sub, you really should try both, especially if the towers are flanking a big entertainment center. In all my installations of the built-in Super Towers to date, we've gone INWARD except for one tha I can remember.

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It seems from a lot of user reviews I have read that many people don't actually prefer the Definitive technology speakers for music. I would assume this is because of the bipolar design. But then why do so many 2 channel audio people love the Magnepans??
I am considering a tower speaker with built in subs possibly, and was looking at the 7006. I like the idea of being able to control the bass output, and a rear firing 4 1/2 driver I don't think will cause to much bass problems near a wall. But anyways, just wondering what some of the DT fans here think about these for 2 channel music?

Hi Doc,

The 7006 has an 8" rear-firing woofer couple to two 8" infrasonic radiators.

As for music, what I have found over the years is that really good CDs and DVD concert reproductions sound simply incredible through the Def Tech Supertowers. An example of this would be a Nora jones CD like 'Come Way with Me', or the Eagles Concert DVDs. You really have to hear them for yourself to understand just how dynamic and 3D-like they sound. I rep for a lot of high end speaker companies and quite frankly, I think Def Techs are right up there or better with good 2 channel music (and of course everyone knows my opinion when it comes to HT).

On the other hand, if you have a lower quality CD recordings like some of the older rock and roll recordings like my Led Zeppelin or Van Halen CDs they flat out do not sound as good on the Def Techs versus a direct radiating speaker.

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I have mine facing out.I tried both ways and I think they are less boomy this way.My speakers are 8" out and a little in front of my Hitachi CRT RP monitor.It's also a 17'x 20' room with 22' ceiling.

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Hi Doc,

The 7006 has an 8" rear-firing woofer couple to two 8" infrasonic radiators.

As for music, what I have found over the years is that really good CDs and DVD concert reproductions sound simply incredible through the Def Tech Supertowers. An example of this would be a Nora jones CD like 'Come Way with Me', or the Eagles Concert DVDs. You really have to hear them for yourself to understand just how dynamic and 3D-like they sound. I rep for a lot of high end speaker companies and quite frankly, I think Def Techs are right up there or better with good 2 channel music (and of course everyone knows my opinion when it comes to HT).

On the other hand, if you have a lower quality CD recordings like some of the older rock and roll recordings like my Led Zeppelin or Van Halen CDs they flat out do not sound as good on the Def Techs versus a direct radiating speaker.

Don't you mean SIDE FIRING?
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Don't you mean SIDE FIRING?


Yes, thank you. I confused your point about controlling bass ouptut and the rear firing 4.5" woofer...... thinking you meant the 8" side-firing subwoofer. So you are absolutely correct. I have not yet seen any issues with the bi-polar design -- for some reason they seem to have gotten it right over all these years.

I sent you a PM by the way.

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I have mine facing out. I have not tried them facing in. I have them about 7 feet apart, but due to room layout, there is about 6 feet on each side of them. I thought the bass would spread out more that way. I am thinking of adding a sub back, right now they are my only sub. If I do that, I will face them in since the sub would only be a few feet away from one of them. I don't wand the 2006 sub firing right at the stand alone sub.

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Definitive recommends that you face them in...

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DigitalTitan can you measure from the main seat straight away from the tv aka.."Sweet Spot" to each speaker.Also take pics for me...That would be greatly appreciated...

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I got a stupid question... First off all I'll start out by agreeing MP3 Quality Sucks. With that said maybe someone can answer this question.

I'm using DefTech BP7006's. Hooked up to Denon-1907.

Here is the fun.

I am outputting through Itunes on my PC. I have a SoundBlaster Live 24-bit & running the Digital Coax Out. The problem is, the sound output sounds muddy. I've tried a bunch of EQ's, but does anyone have any nice EQ setups for iTunes and their DefTech if you have it setup that way.

Thanks

P.S. Spare me the MP3 vs. CD Quality lecture. I know I know.
(It is just that my iPod in my car sound way better than my PC with my BP7006's) :\\

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I dont have my pc hooked up to my reciever. I occasionally play mp3's from my ipod thru my yamaha/ definitive system. I just plug the ipod into my front rca jacks. You could try that just to see if the muddyness goes away.

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