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post #11461 of 31337 Old 03-16-2009, 06:04 PM
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PJ, when i pieced my system together. I tried to make sure that everything had the same size drivers. I have 7002's, clr2002, and SM350's. I know that there is someone here using the clr3000 with 7002's, in fact i think it was discussed a couple pages ago. If I was going to get a clr3000, i'd go straight to either the 7001's or the 7000's to try to keep driver sizes the same. Now, I know that money doesn't grow on tree's, I'm sure that the CLR3000 would sound good with the 7002's after you got it set up right, but eventually you're gonna want to upgrade. It sounds like you've currently got 7004's, I would really just try to skip the 7002's if you really wanted to use the clr3000. That's my $.02. In the end it's all gonna be up to you, and your wallet.
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I think Im getting upgraditis in the subwoofer area. Im sure this has been discussed ad naseum....but.

I have a sc reference. Has anyone compared a ref with the fathom, HSU or SVS subs?

I dont care about musicality as my HT is 100% HT with 0% music. I want hard hitting quick punches to my gut with explosions. Im finding the ref to be nice and deep, but a bit too slow and muddy.

What would match well with DT bi-polar's? Thoughts?
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Hyper, I'm curious, what do you have for mains?
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Hyper, I'm curious, what do you have for mains?

7001's. CLR 3000 center and bpvx rears.
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I've been thinking about subs lately too. And was planning on getting a reference. I was kinda surprised to read that it was muddy and kinda slow. I don't know much about subs, but wouldn't you get a quicker punch out of a sealed box? I can't really add much to your question, was just curious to see how similar your setup is compared to mine. 7002's, 2002, sm350. Nothing like yours.. How long have you owned the reference?
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I don't know much about subs, but wouldn't you get a quicker punch out of a sealed box?

Yes, thats why Im thinking about those other subs I mentioned.

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How long have you owned the reference?

Ive had it about 5 yrs now.
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Yes, thats why Im thinking about those other subs I mentioned.



Ive had it about 5 yrs now.


take a look at the seaton submersive

sealed sub, dual 15" drivers, $2200 price range

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take a look at the seaton submersive

sealed sub, dual 15" drivers, $2200 price range

Funny you mention that brand. Just earlier today I found a thread about them in some other forum. Never heard of them before, why all this new praise?
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Funny you mention that brand. Just earlier today I found a thread about them in some other forum. Never heard of them before, why all this new praise?

the sub is a beast. the drivers and amp are top quality

there's no built in HP filter so it can go low low low

but mostly what i read about it from owners who have been through a lot of big name subs and ended up having the submersive blow their mind

here's one such happy customer who's been through a few subs you could say:

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/p...ost?id=2922335

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Hello,

In my setup, the ceiling goes form 8' at the listening position up to 11' where my HT is. Is this why dialogue in movies is hard to hear and my towers sound boomy?

How can I increase the dialogue level in proportion to the explosions/car chases/shoot outs etc. Do I increase the distance of the center channel or the dB levels? I have run audyssey with the 3 prime locations.

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Hello,

In my setup, the ceiling goes form 8' at the listening position up to 11' where my HT is. Is this why dialogue in movies is hard to hear and my towers sound boomy?

How can I increase the dialogue level in proportion to the explosions/car chases/shoot outs etc. Do I increase the distance of the center channel or the dB levels? I have run audyssey with the 3 prime locations.

Love this forum. Thanks.


7004s
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BP2xs
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can you posts some pics of your system ?

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I posted before regarding some BP6s and debating on a center channel. I looked at the specs on the Mythos 7 center and Procenter 2000 and the 2000 looks to be better on paper as far as bigger drivers and higher watts handling. I was under the impression that the Mythos series was an upper line so does anyone know which one sounds better? I am gonna try to demo them this wk but any opinions would be helpful?

Sorry dont mean to quote my own post but does anyone have any imput on this as to what is the better center??
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The M7 center would probably not be a good match with the BP6B, but you would know more conclusively if you heard them together. The best match, (IMO), for the BP6B would be the PC2000 or the CLR2002. The Mythos series has a serious price jump when you move up to the 5.25" driver size. The Mythos 3 may be considered as an option, but I would not have first hand knowledge on how that would work. Are you sure about going with the BP6B for your mains or are you still looking at that? Other good options are; SM350, PM1000, or Mythos Threes across the front.

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The value of a center channel can further be determined by the mains that it is paired with. When using BP mains with 5.25" drivers in them, then the PC2000 has a much greater value than the Mythos 7.
I can understand you considering the BP6B, that is a great price.

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Sorry dont mean to quote my own post but does anyone have any imput on this as to what is the better center??

These center channels can each be options for you;
  • CLR2500
  • CLR2002
  • PC2000
The Mythos 10 and Mythos 8 may be alternatives also, but that is something I've never listen to... BP mains with Mythos center, so I don't know myself how well they blend with each other.

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Hey guys. I determined that the rattling was coming from the speaker, I think it was the radiators, and I'm bringing them back to Magnolia Home Theater to have it repaired. Good thing I got my Denon D5000s today, or I wouldn't have anything to listen with.
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Sorry dont mean to quote my own post but does anyone have any input on this as to what is the better center??

the best match for the bp6's would be a clr-2002 or clr-2500

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Hey guys. I determined that the rattling was coming from the speaker, I think it was the radiators, and I'm bringing them back to Magnolia Home Theater to have it repaired. Good thing I got my Denon D5000s today, or I wouldn't have anything to listen with.

Hope the turnaround time with your speakers is quick. But that was sure some great timing with the new cans .

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Hi guys,

It's been a while, but I was just wondering...

Are there any measurement graphs out there on the SC I or SC Ref?

I know about the Trinity from Craigsub's testing, and he advised to simply reduce the results by 3 db (or was it 6 db?) to get at the SC Ref results.

On another note, based on otk's recent posts regarding the Seaton Submersive, I ended up reading for like an hour and a half at work about it...lol...thanks.

Considering all the other comparable offerings out there for a sealed sub that somewhat meets the WAF factor, can you narrow the list down to 2 or 3 choices?

I'm looking at the JL F113, Seaton Submersive, SC Trinity, not sure what others out there would compare favorably with those (read mate well with our DefTechs) and under $2500 so I'm hoping the more experienced DefTech members can help out.

Thanks.
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take a look at the seaton submersive

sealed sub, dual 15" drivers, $2200 price range

Hey every one. Actually the price is $1995+between $115 and $135 shipping.
Not to mention that you get that nice 5.1 tool kit DVD included

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Hey every one. Actually the price is $1995+between $115 and $135 shipping.
Not to mention that you get that nice 5.1 tool kit DVD included

thanks Mike, even better !!!!!!!


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Hi guys,

It's been a while, but I was just wondering...

Are there any measurement graphs out there on the SC I or SC Ref?

I know about the Trinity from Craigsub's testing, and he advised to simply reduce the results by 3 db (or was it 6 db?) to get at the SC Ref results.

On another note, based on otk's recent posts regarding the Seaton Submersive, I ended up reading for like an hour and a half at work about it...lol...thanks.

Considering all the other comparable offerings out there for a sealed sub that somewhat meets the WAF factor, can you narrow the list down to 2 or 3 choices?

I'm looking at the JL F113, Seaton Submersive, SC Trinity, not sure what others out there would compare favorably with those (read mate well with our DefTechs) and under $2500 so I'm hoping the more experienced DefTech members can help out.

Thanks.

Hey lodit, glad you're back.
Since you're looking at some subs right now, let me mention one that I'm looking at real hard and you may find it very interesting to;
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F15.html
otk originally mentioned Rythmik in a post-from-the-past and its been looking better and better since. Two of them would be amazing.

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Hi guys,

It's been a while, but I was just wondering...

Are there any measurement graphs out there on the SC I or SC Ref?

I know about the Trinity from Craigsub's testing, and he advised to simply reduce the results by 3 db (or was it 6 db?) to get at the SC Ref results.

On another note, based on otk's recent posts regarding the Seaton Submersive, I ended up reading for like an hour and a half at work about it...lol...thanks.

Considering all the other comparable offerings out there for a sealed sub that somewhat meets the WAF factor, can you narrow the list down to 2 or 3 choices?

I'm looking at the JL F113, Seaton Submersive, SC Trinity, not sure what others out there would compare favorably with those (read mate well with our DefTechs) and under $2500 so I'm hoping the more experienced DefTech members can help out.

Thanks.

what are your mains ?

the reference supercube will have about 6db less output than the trinity but that's not the only difference. the passive radiators in the trinity are tuned to go lower so the trinity can go both louder and lower than the reference

it's hard to beat the submersive for the money

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I ordered 3 sets of these to elevate all my wires off the floor.
http://www.musicdirect.com/product/73452


they say i should hear a difference!!!!!! LOL

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I ordered 3 sets of these to elevate all my wires off the floor.
http://www.musicdirect.com/product/73452


they say i should hear a difference!!!!!! LOL

oh no, the THX certified ceremonial robe is next

do they sell something to elevate the elevators ?



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I ordered 3 sets of these to elevate all my wires off the floor.
http://www.musicdirect.com/product/73452


they say i should hear a difference!!!!!! LOL

Are you sure three sets will be enough... you don't want any of those longer speaker wire runs to dip to close to the floor.

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Are you sure three sets will be enough... you don't want any of those longer speaker wire runs to dip to close to the floor.



LOL , sorry to be off topic but i like everyone in this thread. How can they go about selling these things. And on top of it , they put an editor of a magazines review on it which supposely he says he hears a difference , being skeptical at first.

I thing i must have horrible ears from my car stereo years!!!

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LOL , sorry to be off topic but i like everyone in this thread. How can they go about selling these things. And on top of it , they put an editor of a magazines review on it which supposely he says he hears a difference , being skeptical at first.

I thing i must have horrible ears from my car stereo years!!!

you haven't seen anything yet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgsR4TiBwug

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you haven't seen anything yet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgsR4TiBwug

LOL. It was comforting to see his face at the end of the video. He had the same expressions that I and maybe others have when we are tinkering with our hobbies. I'll admit though, he was beginning to scare me with the 'extreme tweaking' and I was waiting for a fire to start .

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you haven't seen anything yet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgsR4TiBwug

At least it looks real nice.... I'll take bets this guy doesn't have a wife. Or girlfriend. Or friend.
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At least it looks real nice.... I'll take bets this guy doesn't have a wife. Or girlfriend. Or friend.

funny you mention that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97-9vHfvREk

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Hey every one. Actually the price is $1995+between $115 and $135 shipping.
Not to mention that you get that nice 5.1 tool kit DVD included

Would be awesome if I could get a response from Mark so I could order one!!
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