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Boy I want to hear these GEM XLs. They sound pretty awesome. Anyone know what the price of these things are gonna be? I hope my dealer gets the Mythos STs soom I want to hear these babies.
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After doing a few weeks of research, those two systems that you have labelled above are the two that I have narrowed my eyes on. I just don't know whether bipolar is for me or not. I'm trying to find a showroom in the area that has the mythos line (all of the magnolia theaters near me only show off the bipolars).

As for the subwoofer, I'm in the same boat as you are. I want the SCII but I know I can't afford it. I'm keeping my eyes peeled for a deal.

I have a dedicated H/T that is 15 X19. I have the 7006's, 2300, 4 BP1.2s along with a Mirage BPS400 sub. Sounds awesome--I am sitting about 12 feet away. Great soundfield and the surround effect is great.
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i setup my speakers this way while i was waiting for a response except i put the center to small. i think it sounds better as large. as the volume goes up it seems to have a more natural feel.

setting the dynamic range is the only question im still waiting on. what am i losing or gaining if the dynamic range is set to high, low, or standard.

Setting the dynamic range to the high setting can potentially make you have to adjust your volume up to hear dialogue and fine details and the down for the huge explosions. It depends on how loud you listen. I personally like the standard setting because it seems more balanced.

P.s. just orderd a full dt 5.0 set up. So i hope you all don't mind if i join you.
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Boy I want to hear these GEM XLs. They sound pretty awesome. Anyone know what the price of these things are gonna be? I hope my dealer gets the Mythos STs soom I want to hear these babies.

J.H. The press release said the Mythos STs with the Mythos 8 Center and the Gems XLs would be a package deal at $4995. By doing some reverse math that puts the Gems XLs at $349 each. (($1799x2)+$699+($349x2))= $4995

By the way, if you read the specs on the PC2000, it has the same drivers as the Mythos 8 for half the price. It's just a different cabinet shape and layout. It would certainly be worth comparing the two.

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I Just pre order my Mythos St,and Gems XL in all black, now I need get rid off my current speakers..
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As for the subwoofer, I'm in the same boat as you are. I want the SCII but I know I can't afford it. I'm keeping my eyes peeled for a deal.

Take a look at the SVS SB12-Plus. It's a sealed sub about the size and probably the performance of the SCI. It starts at $699. For an extra $100 you can get it in gloss piano black. That's the one I am thinking of.

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-sb12plus.cfm

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J.H. The press release said the Mythos STs with the Mythos 8 Center and the Gems XLs would be a package deal at $4995. By doing some reverse math that puts the Gems XLs at $349 each. (($1799x2)+$699+($349x2))= $4995

By the way, if you read the specs on the PC2000, it has the same drivers as the Mythos 8 for half the price. It's just a different cabinet shape and layout. It would certainly be worth comparing the two.

Whats the PC2000? They GEM XLs seem like a great deal. Actually the entire Mythos ST package seems like a great deal. If you could get the dealer to knock of $500 or more you'll have a great system for $4,500. I would not use GEM XLs though I don't think. I would look at the BPX series to see what fits as well with the Mythos STs. Thats just my opinion though.
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Whats the PC2000? They GEM XLs seem like a great deal. Actually the entire Mythos ST package seems like a great deal. If you could get the dealer to knock of $500 or more you'll have a great system for $4,500. I would not use GEM XLs though I don't think. I would look at the BPX series to see what fits as well with the Mythos STs. Thats just my opinion though.

The Pro Center 2000 is here:
http://www.definitivetech.com/loudspeakers/clr/clr.html

I can get my dealer to knock off more than $500 if I wait. Once a year he has a buy one get one half off sale. That amounts to a 25% discount. I would look right at the straigt BPX for matching drivers and volume.

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The Pro Center 2000 is here:
http://www.definitivetech.com/loudspeakers/clr/clr.html

I can get my dealer to knock off more than $500 if I wait. Once a year he has a buy one get one half off sale. That amounts to a 25% discount. I would look right at the straigt BPX for matching drivers and volume.

I've got to get this dealer Man I just don't get deals like that. Geez thats a great deal. See I would think that the $4,995 set could be had for $4,000 and am I wrong? The BPX would a be good match thats what i would go with.
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I Just pre order my Mythos St,and Gems XL in all black, now I need get rid off my current speakers..

Thanks for the order Daniel !

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J.H. The press release said the Mythos STs with the Mythos 8 Center and the Gems XLs would be a package deal at $4995. By doing some reverse math that puts the Gems XLs at $349 each. (($1799x2)+$699+($349x2))= $4995


That is correct ! And the XLs are available now.

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Thanks for the order Daniel !


Thanks Adam....It's Chrismas all over again

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That is correct ! And the XLs are available now.

Hey Adam does that mean I'll be seeing my XL sooner, rather before my ST
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Hey Adam does that mean I'll be seeing my XL sooner, rather before my ST

Sure, if you want. I was going to wait for both so the impact will be that much greater !

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Just picked up my Supercube III to add to the rest of the system and now it's sounding pretty sweet. I Can't wait for my Emotiva amp to get here.

system so far:

Def Tech: 7006 for fronts
Def Tech: 2002 for center
Def Tech: BP 1.2x for surrounds
Def Tech: Supercube III
Pioneer 1016 receiver
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(1) Very happy wife, she said it's better than the movie theater
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Just picked up my Supercube III to add to the rest of the system and now it's sounding pretty sweet. I Can't wait for my Emotiva amp to get here.

system so far:

Def Tech: 7006 for fronts
Def Tech: 2002 for center
Def Tech: BP 1.2x for surrounds
Def Tech: Supercube III
Pioneer 1016 receiver
Emotiva LBA-1 (should arrive this week)
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(1) Very happy wife, she said it's better than the movie theater

Very nice system. Welcome to the Definitive club here. This does seem to be the most active of all the speaker owner threads. You bought a separate amp? A separate amp will really open the system up further. You'll be amazed at what A separate amp with real power can do for Definitive speakers. J.H.
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Thanks for the reply J.H., I can't wait to get the amp hooked up. So far the system sounds really nice, the imaging is near perfect.
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Just picked up my Supercube III to add to the rest of the system and now it's sounding pretty sweet. I Can't wait for my Emotiva amp to get here.

system so far:

Def Tech: 7006 for fronts
Def Tech: 2002 for center
Def Tech: BP 1.2x for surrounds
Def Tech: Supercube III
Pioneer 1016 receiver
Emotiva LBA-1 (should arrive this week)
Toshiba HD-A2 dvd player
Sony 60" XBR2

(1) Very happy wife, she said it's better than the movie theater

Hey mliebs8...your system looks very much like mine. I don't have the Supercube though and I haven't hooked up the BP 1.2x.

How's the HD-A2 did you ever get a chance to compare the audio of the HDMI from the A2 versus the analog 6 channel from the A1?
I have the A1.
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Sure, if you want. I was going to wait for both so the impact will be that much greater !

Hey Adam,I wait for both sets...It will give some time to get out two pairs of speakers out the house....My Girl will hit the fan If she see's another pair coming in..He..he....

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Hey guys, I have another question for all of you experienced def. tech gurus.

In the rear, I'm looking at the BP2Xs. Is there any way that these speakers can be mounted horizontally rather than vertically? If that is possible, how does the reflected signal sound? Due to space constraints, I will need to mount the BP2Xs almost 6 inches below my ceiling. I think bouncing the sound off the celing might work better for my room. Let me know of your experiences.

What about mounting them to the ceiling?
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geo, i have my 7002s w/ speaker and lfe set to large, per DT customer service.
sounds good so far, but i may play w/ it more this weekend. i've only been set up for a week.
let me know how it sounds w/ the 2807, i was thinking of going that route.

Picked up my 7002s yesterday. I decided to connect them with both the speaker level as well as the LFE connections (per the manual, plus it seemed to me this would be the best case for both music and movies) They are configured about 14" from the rear wall and about 7' apart with the powered sub facing in. I also spiked them to the floor using the supplied hardware.

I have everything setup pretty much flat right now, no extra bass or treble on the receiver and the volume knob on the subs set to 12:00. I set the bass mgmnt on the receiver to +0 for the subs as well.

The sound is very good. Very clean and balanced. This is my first true listening experience with bi-polars. Musically I thought they were great. They are not as pin-point with the stereo image as my previous towers. But the image was properly centered. It just sounded larger. During louder passages the "wall of sound" these are famous for was very evident. Bass was authoritative without being overbearing.

Watched a few movie passages and was impressed as well. The "Club Fever" scene in Collateral is one of my favorites. The gun Tom Cruise shoots sounds fantastic on these. I could really feel it and again I have everything set pretty conservatively right now. Everything blended very nicely with my pre-existing 2500 center.

All in all I'm very happy with my purchase. I'm currently still using my old 5.1 receiver as my local HT shop was out of the 2807 I want. But I should have it by mid-week.
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Hey guys, I have another question for all of you experienced def. tech gurus.

In the rear, I'm looking at the BP2Xs. Is there any way that these speakers can be mounted horizontally rather than vertically? If that is possible, how does the reflected signal sound? Due to space constraints, I will need to mount the BP2Xs almost 6 inches below my ceiling. I think bouncing the sound off the celing might work better for my room. Let me know of your experiences.

What about mounting them to the ceiling?

I asked the same question a while back and got no response. I emailed definitive tech and they said it is not necessary to reflect the sound, they will sound fine. I hate to lose that bipolar effect. I am thinking about fabricating something to attatch to the back of the speakers, like an L shaped pannel, to see how that works.

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Picked up my 7002s yesterday. I decided to connect them with both the speaker level as well as the LFE connections (per the manual, plus it seemed to me this would be the best case for both music and movies) They are configured about 14" from the rear wall and about 7' apart with the powered sub facing in. I also spiked them to the floor using the supplied hardware.
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Geoxp what's the distance from your side wall? How about a pic of your setup?

Actually, please everyone, share with us a pic of your set up and position measurements since it's very critical that you have these bipolar in the right place to achieve optimal sound.
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I asked the same question a while back and got no response. I emailed definitive tech and they said it is not necessary to reflect the sound, they will sound fine. I hate to lose that bipolar effect. I am thinking about fabricating something to attatch to the back of the speakers, like an L shaped pannel, to see how that works.

Hey g_bartman,

I think I'm going to ask my dealer about this mounting option. On the definitive website they claim that the speaker can be mounted in a multitude of ways. However, I am concerned about losing that bipolar effect as well. The thing that bothers me about these speakers is their size...the entire line of BPrears are big - not so convenient for mounting. On the flip side, they sound great. Sound comes at the expense of size. I will let you know what I decide to do.
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Just picked up my Supercube III to add to the rest of the system and now it's sounding pretty sweet. I Can't wait for my Emotiva amp to get here.

system so far:

Def Tech: 7006 for fronts
Def Tech: 2002 for center
Def Tech: BP 1.2x for surrounds
Def Tech: Supercube III
Pioneer 1016 receiver
Emotiva LBA-1 (should arrive this week)
Toshiba HD-A2 dvd player
Sony 60" XBR2

(1) Very happy wife, she said it's better than the movie theater

I stopped by Magnolia yesterday to audition the subwoofers they had. I currently have a Yamaha PSW160 (dual 6") sub running with my Mythos one's, four's and eight, powered by a VSX-84.
I listened to a Supercube 1, Vienna Acoustics 12" 500W (cant remember the model), and a M&K VX-1250SFX (12", 250W). I also LOOKED at REL's....very pricey, but sounded good.

The supercube and the Vienna sounded very boomy in the low end, with the Vienna sounding a little more accurate. I was about to pull the trigger on the Vienna (they were on clearance sale), when I decided to listen to the M&K that was sitting in the corner. Out of the three, it was the only one that I couldnt tell where it was, and I also couldnt decipher it's bass from the others.
Turns out it was also on sale, so I brought it home. Now that I have it hooked up, I still have a lot of tuning left to do. In a nutshell, I was really not impressed with the supercube. For those that are looking at them, I'd highly recommend that you at least take a listen to others. I may still go back an look more seriously at the REL's, they are very spendy, but from what i hear, they are one of the best out there.
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I stopped by Magnolia yesterday to audition the subwoofers they had. I currently have a Yamaha PSW160 (dual 6") sub running with my Mythos one's, four's and eight, powered by a VSX-84.
I listened to a Supercube 1, Vienna Acoustics 12" 500W (cant remember the model), and a M&K VX-1250SFX (12", 250W). I also LOOKED at REL's....very pricey, but sounded good.

The supercube and the Vienna sounded very boomy in the low end, with the Vienna sounding a little more accurate. I was about to pull the trigger on the Vienna (they were on clearance sale), when I decided to listen to the M&K that was sitting in the corner. Out of the three, it was the only one that I couldnt tell where it was, and I also couldnt decipher it's bass from the others.
Turns out it was also on sale, so I brought it home. Now that I have it hooked up, I still have a lot of tuning left to do. In a nutshell, I was really not impressed with the supercube. For those that are looking at them, I'd highly recommend that you at least take a listen to others. I may still go back an look more seriously at the REL's, they are very spendy, but from what i hear, they are one of the best out there.


That's surprising. Were all four subs swapped in and out so they were in the same exact position in the room when demo'ed? I'm betting not (but I could be wrong). If I'm not wrong, that could explain it. I've installed tons of Supercubes and did not find them boomy at all. In fact, most customers wound up adding a second as they wanted more bass (since the single Supercube did not go down low enough which I can understand as that's generally the rap on them, but two work just fine). They also really blend so seamlessly with all Def Tech speakers, so should be considered first in any full Def Tech set-up.

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That's surprising. Were all four subs swapped in and out so they were in the same exact position in the room when demo'ed? I'm betting not (but I could be wrong). If I'm not wrong, that could explain it. I've installed tons of Supercubes and did not find them boomy at all. In fact, most customers wound up adding a second as they wanted more bass (since the single Supercube did not go down low enough which I can understand as that's generally the rap on them, but two work just fine). They also really blend so seamlessly with all Def Tech speakers, so should be considered first in any full Def Tech set-up.

Yeah my supercube II is definitely not boomy quite the opposite I would say. They are very quick.I have heard people really knock Def Techs subs and I don't get it. Anyone every hear the Trinity sub? Has anyone sold one to anyone?it looks like a beast.
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g_bartman and kevinjo23

are you able to go with inwall or even in ceiling speakers, I feel this will be a better move.

The BP Z/A's or BP/A's

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Picked up my 7002s yesterday. I decided to connect them with both the speaker level as well as the LFE connections (per the manual, plus it seemed to me this would be the best case for both music and movies) They are configured about 14" from the rear wall and about 7' apart with the powered sub facing in. I also spiked them to the floor using the supplied hardware.

I have everything setup pretty much flat right now, no extra bass or treble on the receiver and the volume knob on the subs set to 12:00. I set the bass mgmnt on the receiver to +0 for the subs as well.

The sound is very good. Very clean and balanced. This is my first true listening experience with bi-polars. Musically I thought they were great. They are not as pin-point with the stereo image as my previous towers. But the image was properly centered. It just sounded larger. During louder passages the "wall of sound" these are famous for was very evident. Bass was authoritative without being overbearing.

Watched a few movie passages and was impressed as well. The "Club Fever" scene in Collateral is one of my favorites. The gun Tom Cruise shoots sounds fantastic on these. I could really feel it and again I have everything set pretty conservatively right now. Everything blended very nicely with my pre-existing 2500 center.

All in all I'm very happy with my purchase. I'm currently still using my old 5.1 receiver as my local HT shop was out of the 2807 I want. But I should have it by mid-week.

you didnt mention 2 setup options that helped me get even better sound so i figured i might mention them in case you did try it out,

1. dont have the speakers flat or flush with the screen have them slightly toed in so that there pointed in toward the listening postion. i thought this helped the center listening positon alot but took just a little away from the seats on the side.

have the front of the speakers raised. use the spikes to make the fronts higher then the backs. i have the fronts as high as they can go and the backs almost all the way down. i also did this with the center channel since its placed under the tv.


hope those help if you didnt try them out already.

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