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what do ya'll think of the Definitive Mythos Gems for surround speakers? I was going to get the BP2X this weekend but my local BB didn't have any in stock at the time so I had the sales guy demo the Mythos for me and I think I might like those better as surround speakers. Whoever has these, what is the difference b/w the Mythos and the BP's?
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I am using 14g from home depot and banana plugs.

I just checked Home Depot's website, and it seems that they don't sell speaker wires that's less than 500 ft. long. Do you happen to know if they sell shorter 14g wires at the store? Thanks.
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After sifting through this thread, I have come to understand that the CLR 2300 Center might be a better fit for my setup and wanted to ask specifically in this thread.

My current setup:

Fronts - Def Tech BP7006's
Center - Def Tech CLR 2002
Rears - Def Tech BP2X's
Sub - Infinity 10

After reading about matching, it seems like people suggest the CLR 2300 over the 2002 for the 7006 fronts as the drivers are the same size.

My questions are

Will I really notice a big difference? Is it worth upgrading?

Does the built in sub in the 2300 make a big difference for a center channel? Is there really that much low end going on through the center? My aim is to get a nice, warm, vocal sound from the center and I thought the larger midrange drivers in the 2002 would be a bit better.

Is there really that big of a difference in the sonic matching with my 7006 fronts?

Auditioning the 2300 vs. the 2002 will be difficult since the stores in my area don't seem to have the 2300 on display so that is another reason I am asking here.

Thanks in advance!

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Which receiver is everyone using with the BPs?

I traded my BP7006 in for the BP7004, long story to come later. While the 7004 sounds really good especially in mid range, I feel that the upper frequency is quite bright, almost to the point unlistenable. (Like Davis Sandborn's sax, a soprano's singing in the upper octave etc.)

My question is...which receiver provides a warmer sound without being murky..or just level it off a bit on the upper frequency.
I've listened to the Marantz 5001 and it has a warmer sound but lacks in details and tranparency. The Pioneer Elite was nice but a bit bright as well. The denon 2807 was also very nice but perhaps not as bright as the Pioneer.

Another thought that I've been having is to turn the LFE off and let the lower signal sent to the mains...that way it softens the upper range a little bit but..this is at the expense of losing transparency/details overall.

Thanks
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I just checked Home Depot's website, and it seems that they don't sell speaker wires that's less than 500 ft. long. Do you happen to know if they sell shorter 14g wires at the store? Thanks.

At the store they will cut it from the spool in whatever length(s) you desire.
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Which receiver is everyone using with the BPs?

I have the 7004's and the 2300. I just added the Emotiva Ultra Theater Series pre/pro to drive them and absolutely love it. The two are also less expensive than the typical mid-level a/v receiver.
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Which receiver is everyone using with the BPs?
Thanks

Although I doubt I'm as critical a listener as you, I run my 7004's with a Pioneer Elite VSX-47TX. My center is the 2500. I enjoy my set up.-vin
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Next question; in light of the above for mains, what would you recommend for front and rear surround speakers? The front surrounds will be mounted on the front wall 6 - 6 1/2' and on either side of the screen.

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The "front" surrounds should actually be mounted to the sides of the listening position with the rear surrounds behind the listening position with a rear center if you are going with a 7.1 system.
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At the store they will cut it from the spool in whatever length(s) you desire.

Thanks for that information!
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Ted,

Much better off going with the 7004s. You will be much happier with the return on your investment. I have listened to the 80s in a similar set up you describe and have the 7004s in my own system. The soundstage is far superior. Supercube IIs are already built in which is a plus.
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I am thinking about getting the BP 7004 speakers but I will be placing them behind a home theater screen wall (wood frame with audio transparent cloth). Am I shooting myself in the foot here?

The ONLY reason I am going with this setup over a klipsch setup is because of the imaging; if my screen wall has the potential to screw that up I may elect to go with Klipsch.
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I am thinking about getting the BP 7004 speakers but I will be placing them behind a home theater screen wall (wood frame with audio transparent cloth). Am I shooting myself in the foot here?

The ONLY reason I am going with this setup over a klipsch setup is because of the imaging; if my screen wall has the potential to screw that up I may elect to go with Klipsch.

Not sure if I understand your description and have a feeling that..yes, you're shooting yourself in the foot.

These speakers need to have spaces on both sides as well as at least a foot from the back wall. If you don't have these you're compromising the imaging, soundstage of the speakers. You may also miss out on details as well.
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After hearing all the great reviews of Def Tech speakers I just purchased a 3.1 system for music and home theater with the following speakers:

Mythos Twos (Left and Right Channel)
Mythos Seven (Center Channel)
Hsu VTF-1 Sub

I purchased the Mythos Seven as the center channel instead of the Mythos Three because I have my plasma mounted over the fireplace and did not want to raise it to accommodate the bigger Mythos Three.

Do you all think it is a bad idea to match the Twos with a Seven? I have not hooked it up yet, so I can't judge for myself. Any help would be appreciate
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This is my first post - hope I am doing this right.

What is the optimal way to connect Definitive Supercube II with:
4 Mythos Ones (front and surround)
Mythos Eights (center)

Is it with LFE input or low-level or high-level, Y-adapter, etc. connects?

Thanks.
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This is my first post - hope I am doing this right.

What is the optimal way to connect Definitive Supercube II with:
4 Mythos Ones (front and surround)
Mythos Eights (center)

Is it with LFE input or low-level or high-level, Y-adapter, etc. connects?

Thanks.

I believe LFE is the right way at least thats the way I have mine hooked up. Anyone else have any advice I'm interested in the answer myself.J.H.
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Looking for opinions on bi-wiring. Got my speakers last night. 7004s, 2002. bp1.2x. Hooked up with single wire right now and sound good so far, no metering yet, it was late. Just wondering if anyone has bi-wired ain if so what did you think of the results. Thanks.
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I believe LFE is the right way at least thats the way I have mine hooked up. Anyone else have any advice I'm interested in the answer myself.J.H.

Connect it to the sub pre-out. I dont know if its better to use a Y adapter or not. I have mine hooked up with a Y (since I already had it. I'd be interested to know if this is any better than just running it into the L only.
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I run the prosub 200, but assume results would be the same.

Using a Y-adapter I measured an approx. 1 dB increase from the listening position using WOTW as a test, so I'm not sure at what freq it was. Anyway, try it both ways and measure, that's part of the fun.
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Looking for opinions on bi-wiring. Got my speakers last night. 7004s, 2002. bp1.2x. Hooked up with single wire right now and sound good so far, no metering yet, it was late. Just wondering if anyone has bi-wired ain if so what did you think of the results. Thanks.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the 7004's can be bi-wired. I have a pair and they only have 1 pair of speaker inputs. So unless you go in and modify the speaker it can't be done. You could bi-amp them.

I don't know about the 2002. My 2500 is tri-wirable but I haven't tried it yet.
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You can't bi-wire but you can feed the LFE signal into them.
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Hey Guys,

I just found this place.

I am about to pull the trigger on the following setup. Let me know if you think its a good deal.

Promonitor PM800 as my front and rear speakers @ $100 each
Promonitor PM1000 as my center speaker @ $150
Promonitor PM800 sub @ $350

I will be getting the Denon AVR-2807 receiver @ $850.

Thanks for any input. I can find tons of reviews for the receiver, but not much on the speakers.

Thanks
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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the 7004's can be bi-wired. I have a pair and they only have 1 pair of speaker inputs. So unless you go in and modify the speaker it can't be done. You could bi-amp them.

I don't know about the 2002. My 2500 is tri-wirable but I haven't tried it yet.

You're right, in all the excitement of getting my new rig my brain locked up.
you can biwire the 2002 but i am not in a rush to try it.
Thanks
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Hey Guys,

I just found this place.

I am about to pull the trigger on the following setup. Let me know if you think its a good deal.

Promonitor PM800 as my front and rear speakers @ $100 each
Promonitor PM1000 as my center speaker @ $150
Promonitor PM800 sub @ $350

I will be getting the Denon AVR-2807 receiver @ $850.

Thanks for any input. I can find tons of reviews for the receiver, but not much on the speakers.

Thanks
Andy

Andy,
Your deal looks fine. it looks like you're saving $150 on your 5 speakers but i dont know what the sub goes for.
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Which receiver is everyone using with the BPs?

I traded my BP7006 in for the BP7004, long story to come later. While the 7004 sounds really good especially in mid range, I feel that the upper frequency is quite bright, almost to the point unlistenable. (Like Davis Sandborn's sax, a soprano's singing in the upper octave etc.)

My question is...which receiver provides a warmer sound without being murky..or just level it off a bit on the upper frequency.
I've listened to the Marantz 5001 and it has a warmer sound but lacks in details and tranparency. The Pioneer Elite was nice but a bit bright as well. The denon 2807 was also very nice but perhaps not as bright as the Pioneer.
Another thought that I've been having is to turn the LFE off and let the lower signal sent to the mains...that way it softens the upper range a little bit but..this is at the expense of losing transparency/details overall.

Thanks

It sounds like Denon is the one for you.
Are your speakers toed in? If they are move them back out, that should help lessen the brightness. Also, How long have you had them? Are they broken in yet?If they're brand new they will mellow a bit with some use.
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It sounds like Denon is the one for you.
Are your speakers toed in? If they are move them back out, that should help lessen the brightness. Also, How long have you had them? Are they broken in yet?If they're brand new they will mellow a bit with some use.

No they're not toed in ...actually if they are, they're only about half an inch.

When I had the 7006 and if they were really toed in, they were piercingly bright and I could not tolerate that sound.

I'm currently leaving them playing on an FM classical music radio station overnight and while at work. So another day or two, they should have approx 40 - 60 hours in them as the manfacturer suggested.

If they remained so bright in the upper range I may have to go another direction. I rather not, I have already purchased the entire HT set up.

Plasman2, which receiver do you have? I believe I have the same speaker setups as yours, BP7004, 2002 and BP1.2
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You're right, in all the excitement of getting my new rig my brain locked up.
you can biwire the 2002 but i am not in a rush to try it.
Thanks

I bi-wired a 2002 after receiving this response from Chet at Definitive:

Bi-wiring allows your main amplifier to control the movement of the speaker
cones better. In a real sense, the damping factor of the system increases.
Most listeners would hear a subtle improvement by doing this.

The benefits would include a smoother high end, greater inner detail in the
midrange frequencies and a tighter bass response. These improvements would
be subtle but noticeable to most listeners.

If you need any other information, please email me at
cpelkowski@definitivetech.com.


FWIW I did notice a difference...at least I think I did.
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Which receiver is everyone using with the BPs?

I traded my BP7006 in for the BP7004, long story to come later. While the 7004 sounds really good especially in mid range, I feel that the upper frequency is quite bright, almost to the point unlistenable. (Like Davis Sandborn's sax, a soprano's singing in the upper octave etc.)

My question is...which receiver provides a warmer sound without being murky..or just level it off a bit on the upper frequency.
I've listened to the Marantz 5001 and it has a warmer sound but lacks in details and tranparency. The Pioneer Elite was nice but a bit bright as well. The denon 2807 was also very nice but perhaps not as bright as the Pioneer.

Another thought that I've been having is to turn the LFE off and let the lower signal sent to the mains...that way it softens the upper range a little bit but..this is at the expense of losing transparency/details overall.

Thanks

Have you tried cutting the treble back a bit on the receiver? I have BP-10's with the older tweeter, my room has wall to wall carpet and lots of furniture to absorb the sound. I found my speakers a bit dull in the high end so I turned the treble up just a little and they sounded much better.

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Have you tried cutting the treble back a bit on the receiver? I have BP-10's with the older tweeter, my room has wall to wall carpet and lots of furniture to absorb the sound. I found my speakers a bit dull in the high end so I turned the treble up just a little and they sounded much better.

Mike

Mike,
I left the bass and treble at neutral (12 o'clock) according to the manufacturer suggestion.

In normal music and movie, it's not a problem. Only in upper ranges such as I described will the sound be too bright. Usually you want it to have a bit of a ringing open sounds when it gets up there but not like something that wants to go theru the roof. I do have hardwood floor with a small rug for now. I intend to have a slightly larger rug in there soon.

Let's hope after the 60 hour break in period it'll be more open, mellow and even slightly larger soundstage.
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I'm going to audition the Denon 2307, 2807 and the Marantz receiver this weekend...with the BP7004.

Anyone has any thoughts on these receivers?
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Mike,
Just a thought/suggestion. When I conected the 7004 to my HD DVD player through the ordinary coaxial connection, the sound/music was quite boomy, cloudy. Then I switched it over to the analog 6 channel outs, and the sound was much better.

So if you have seperated analogs out on your player, I would very strongly suggest you try that route. You get more tonal in the midrange and not boomy sounds. You can then control the bas by using the LFE knob in the back.
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