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post #26251 of 32046 Old 03-29-2012, 10:08 PM
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I personally do not like the new 8000 series. I demo'd the 8060's and found them to be terribly bright when played at higher volumes. The bass was good, a tad bit better than the 7002, but, the 7002 sounded more full. I recently got the chance to demo some 8080's, and although I really liked them, the lacked the punch of the big Bp-7000's. You could obviously tell that they did not have the bigger 6.5 inch mids. They did sound better than the Bp-7000's for music, but, for theater, there is no comparision, the Bp-7000's are a world better. Keep in mind, this is all subjective.

I've never heard the 7000 series. Ignorance is bliss.. I don't think the 8060st's sound bright. I think they sound really clean.. If you think these are bright,how do the martin logans sound to you?
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It would be their new SM series. SM 45, 55, 65. Same tweets and mid range drivers.

Hello Kini and DM,
The CS 8060 is really popular (I bought one myself) and it goes with loads of speakers. The PM 1000 would work, but it can match with our better ones too. The SM series is a great match. Best, Joe
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I've never heard the 7000 series. Ignorance is bliss.. I don't think the 8060st's sound bright. I think they sound really clean.. If you think these are bright,how do the martin logans sound to you?

Hello Low,
I would like to offer some comments in the 8000 series vs 7000 series comparison:
We haven't gotten around to creating a replacement for the BP-7000SC, which is a really great product, and is almost twice as expensive as the BP 8080ST (the best of the 8000 series). If a listener is happy with their BP-7000SC (which are great!), the 8000 series might leave them underwhelmed.
But we feel that in an apples to apples comparison, the 8000 series is a big upgrade from comparably priced 7000 series models. They measure more smoothly in the mid-range and highs; they image better, while still offering bipolar benefits; and the bass measures and sounds better. The aesthetic look is slimmer and very cool too.
Yet we sometimes hear comments about them not sounding right, which may simply be that weren't set up correctly in that room. For example, if a pair of BP 8060ST sounds awesome in your living room with the bass set at 12 o'clock, that might be way too heavy in your basement, where 9 o'clock or 10 might be best (or vice versa). All speakers are set-up dependent. If a new employee in a store isn't hip to the idea that a few minutes of set-up time matters...you get less than ideal sound. This is especially true on a speaker with a built-in subwoofer, where you need to dial in the sub for a nice blend. I hope this helps, and thanks for owning Definitive! Best regards, Joe
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Joe makes a good point. I was very disappointed with my audition of the 8060's but I'm sure they were not even close to being calibrated properly. Even some "high end" shops seem to be clueless, it's a real shame. I have heard some bad sounding speakers from some first class companies in too many cases.

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Hello Low,
I would like to offer some comments in the 8000 series vs 7000 series comparison:
We haven't gotten around to creating a replacement for the BP-7000SC, which is a really great product, and is almost twice as expensive as the BP 8080ST (the best of the 8000 series). If a listener is happy with their BP-7000SC (which are great!), the 8000 series might leave them underwhelmed.
But we feel that in an apples to apples comparison, the 8000 series is a big upgrade from comparably priced 7000 series models. They measure more smoothly in the mid-range and highs; they image better, while still offering bipolar benefits; and the bass measures and sounds better. The aesthetic look is slimmer and very cool too.
Yet we sometimes hear comments about them not sounding right, which may simply be that weren't set up correctly in that room. For example, if a pair of BP 8060ST sounds awesome in your living room with the bass set at 12 o'clock, that might be way too heavy in your basement, where 9 o'clock or 10 might be best (or vice versa). All speakers are set-up dependent. If a new employee in a store isn't hip to the idea that a few minutes of set-up time matters...you get less than ideal sound. This is especially true on a speaker with a built-in subwoofer, where you need to dial in the sub for a nice blend. I hope this helps, and thanks for owning Definitive! Best regards, Joe

Joe,everyone has their opinions on where to cross the def techs at.. What should the 8060's be at and the 8060 center.. 60hz,80hz full band?
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So on a whim, I place my center channel CLR 2002 in a vertical position on the carpet under the TV. Underwhelming sound stage. very narrow. Yikes. I put it back to horizontal position and it sounds much better.
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So on a whim, I place my center channel CLR 2002 in a vertical position on the carpet under the TV. Underwhelming sound stage. very narrow. Yikes. I put it back to horizontal position and it sounds much better.

Yep,
That only sounds good when the actors / actresses are laying down....


OK, it was an attempt at humor...

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So on a whim, I place my center channel CLR 2002 in a vertical position on the carpet under the TV. Underwhelming sound stage. very narrow. Yikes. I put it back to horizontal position and it sounds much better.

you should try running your towers horizontal then

was it just sitting on the carpet and not aimed up with the tweeter aimed at the ears ?

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Finally got the money for the 8060 center to match my 8060 towers...I pick it up Wednesday and the wait is killing me...bought 12 awg wire and bandanna plugs from monoprice so in the mean time those with the 8060 center how does it perform for you?...would love input while. I patiently wait...lol

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Finally got the money for the 8060 center to match my 8060 towers...I pick it up Wednesday and the wait is killing me...bought 12 awg wire and bandanna plugs from monoprice so in the mean time those with the 8060 center how does it perform for you?...would love input while. I patiently wait...lol

While you are waiting for it to show up, take a look at this thread to keep you occupied Your new speakers will love you for it
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I've never heard the 7000 series. Ignorance is bliss.. I don't think the 8060st's sound bright. I think they sound really clean.. If you think these are bright,how do the martin logans sound to you?



I think Joe summed up my entire listening experience with both the bp8060's and the bp8080's, I just felt very underwhelmed. No way I would trade my bp30's for a pair of bp8080's. I did like the bp8080's much better then the bp8060's, though. They sounded smoother and had some really good imaging and sound stage presentation. The bass was no where near the bp7000's on the bp8080's. That was what I disliked the most about them.
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While you are waiting for it to show up, take a look at this thread to keep you occupied Your new speakers will love you for it

I've read that thread...good read...thx

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I think Joe summed up my entire listening experience with both the bp8060's and the bp8080's, I just felt very underwhelmed. No way I would trade my bp30's for a pair of bp8080's. I did like the bp8080's much better then the bp8060's, though. They sounded smoother and had some really good imaging and sound stage presentation. The bass was no where near the bp7000's on the bp8080's. That was what I disliked the most about them.

BP7000SC = crazy awesome bass for a tower speaker You pay for it too lol. What ever eventually replaces the BP7000 better still have awesome bass. Bonus if it's actually cheaper too lol

Honestly, I would have been happy with BP7002, BP8060's, or maybe even BP30's. They are all awesome speakers for the money. If Def Tech releases some new none powered towers, I might give those a try next, but I'd probably need another 18" powered sub to keep the same level of bass scariness lol
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you should try running your towers horizontal then

was it just sitting on the carpet and not aimed up with the tweeter aimed at the ears ?

I just did that last night. All 3 are running horizontal now. What a different soundstage. Like a wall of sound. Listened to music on 7 channel stereo settings of my HK avr2600 and enjoyed it thoroughly. First impressions are that the separation between left and right is not as much as when placed vertical. They are at ear level though.
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Well I couldn't wait...lol...found a store that had the 8060 center and picked it up....didn't get home till late so can't test fully til tomorrow but the little testing I've done it seems like an amazing center...can't wait to crank it...

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Also a quick question for those with to 8060 center...how do you have it hooked up?...I see you can use speaker wire or an RCA into the reciever pre pro...is one a better hook up or offer a better connection?...thx for any imput

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Well I couldn't wait...lol...found a store that had the 8060 center and picked it up....didn't get home till late so can't test fully til tomorrow but the little testing I've done it seems like an amazing center...can't wait to crank it...

Sweet, congrats! Let us know what you think!
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Also a quick question for those with to 8060 center...how do you have it hooked up?...I see you can use speaker wire or an RCA into the reciever pre pro...is one a better hook up or offer a better connection?...thx for any imput

The only time I noticed a huge difference using RCA instead of high level was in car audio. The problem was more related to the other parts the the use of the high level input, i.e, factory wire, factory head unit, grounding, etc. If you have a decent avr sending out a nice clean signal, the high level input should be just fine. Just use some nice thick wire.
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The only time I noticed a huge difference using RCA instead of high level was in car audio. The problem was more related to the other parts the the use of the high level input, i.e, factory wire, factory head unit, grounding, etc. If you have a decent avr sending out a nice clean signal, the high level input should be just fine. Just use some nice thick wire.

Sweet thx...I'm useing 14 Gage now but just bought 12 Gage and new bananna plugs from monoprice...also the center is amazing!..voices are pronounced and crystal clear...damn fine center

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Sweet thx...I'm useing 14 Gage now but just bought 12 Gage and new bananna plugs from monoprice...also the center is amazing!..voices are pronounced and crystal clear...damn fine center

Nice! My vote is for the speaker wire only as well, that's all you need. Enjoy the new speaker!
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Nice! My vote is for the speaker wire only as well, that's all you need. Enjoy the new speaker!

Thx...today is testing day...lol

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I just did that last night. All 3 are running horizontal now. What a different soundstage. Like a wall of sound. Listened to music on 7 channel stereo settings of my HK avr2600 and enjoyed it thoroughly. First impressions are that the separation between left and right is not as much as when placed vertical. They are at ear level though.

So I played around with the toe-in angles of the horizontal L/R and I am loving it now. I will be keeping them that way for the forseeable future.
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So on a whim, I place my center channel CLR 2002 in a vertical position on the carpet under the TV. Underwhelming sound stage. very narrow. Yikes. I put it back to horizontal position and it sounds much better.

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you should try running your towers horizontal then

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I just did that last night. All 3 are running horizontal now. What a different soundstage. Like a wall of sound. Listened to music on 7 channel stereo settings of my HK avr2600 and enjoyed it thoroughly. First impressions are that the separation between left and right is not as much as when placed vertical. They are at ear level though.

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So I played around with the toe-in angles of the horizontal L/R and I am loving it now. I will be keeping them that way for the forseeable future.

LMAO! otk was talking about your towers, chikoo, not your front L/R speakers. And I am pretty sure he was kidding.

If you are saying you are running your L and R CLR2000s horizontally, now, then you haven't really learned anything, here, in these forums, have you?




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LMAO! otk was talking about your towers, chikoo, not your front L/R speakers. And I am pretty sure he was kidding.

If you are saying you are running your L and R CLR2000s horizontally, now, then you haven't really learned anything, here, in these forums, have you?




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Towers?? my surround towers? 'cause those are the only towers I have.

I am sure he was joking about my L/R towers, not knowing that I have a C/L/R setup.

Regarding learning, you know me. I always believe in experimentation. There are guidelines, but there is no way anybody can tell with authority remotely how a particular speaker setup is going to perform given all the multiple room variables. Anyways, I am currently enjoying with my horizontal L/R setup, especially for music which is very heavily vocal.
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Towers?? my surround towers? 'cause those are the only towers I have.

I am sure he was joking about my L/R towers, not knowing that I have a C/L/R setup.

Either way, "joking" is the operative word, here.

Almost all speakers are designed with a vertical orientation for a reason. If horizontal speakers worked better, that's what we'd all use. We don't.

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Either way, "joking" is the operative word, here.

Almost all speakers are designed with a vertical orientation for a reason. If horizontal speakers worked better, that's what we'd all use. We don't.

Well, that's certainly not true for CLRs as they are mostly used as center channels. Most of use place center channels underneath the TV horizontally (my CLR-3000 is placed that way...) and it makes perfect sense for L/R speakers to work better horizontally, if they are CLRs.

And yes, can't imagine running my 2000TLs horizontally
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Well, that's certainly not true for CLRs as they are mostly used as center channels. Most of use place center channels underneath the TV horizontally (my CLR-3000 is placed that way...) and it makes perfect sense for L/R speakers to work better horizontally, if they are CLRs.

And yes, can't imagine running my 2000TLs horizontally

Having to use a horizontal speaker is a compromise for the many people who cannot orient a speaker vertically in the center spot. Efforts can certainly be made in the design of a speaker made for horizontal use which can help alleviate and even eliminate some of the issues associated with the horizontal orientation but a horizontally oriented speaker is still a compromise in almost all cases.

And, yes, this applies to CLRs. They perform better in the vertical orientation.

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What would be the second best matching center speaker for BP-8040ST or BP-8060ST Definitive Technology floor standing speakers?

Suggested center speakers on their website (CS-8040HD or CS-8060HD) wouldn't work for me since they are on shelf only, I don't have a space and the matching center, it should be on-wall speaker.

What about Myhtos 7, 8 or 10 or Pro Monitor 2000 center speakers to match the bipolar floor speakers? Any ideas???
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