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New Boston User VR-35 VR-14 VR-2000 VRS-Pro

Morning folks! First time poster here, thought this would be the best place to get some info on a set of BA's I just got from a friend.
I used to be quite tech savvy with all this around 10 years ago but for the life of me I cannot remember a thing about setting these things up correctly so I'm very much a rookie again

The Speakers are:

2 x VR-35
1 x VR-14
2 x VRS-Pro's
1 x VR-2000 Sub

The original manuals are long lost unfortunately and I've searched high and low on the internet for them with no luck.
Can anyone tell me what the frequency range of these speakers are and what on earth I should be doing as far as crossover points for them go?

If it helps the Amp I'm using is a Denon AVR-2807 (old I know but it all sounds great to me!)

Any advice would be very much appreciated, feeling very much like a fish out of water and don't want to do them an injustice! Many thanks, Tom.
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Morning folks! First time poster here, thought this would be the best place to get some info on a set of BA's I just got from a friend.
I used to be quite tech savvy with all this around 10 years ago but for the life of me I cannot remember a thing about setting these things up correctly so I'm very much a rookie again

The Speakers are:

2 x VR-35
1 x VR-14
2 x VRS-Pro's
1 x VR-2000 Sub

The original manuals are long lost unfortunately and I've searched high and low on the internet for them with no luck.
Can anyone tell me what the frequency range of these speakers are and what on earth I should be doing as far as crossover points for them go?

If it helps the Amp I'm using is a Denon AVR-2807 (old I know but it all sounds great to me!)

Any advice would be very much appreciated, feeling very much like a fish out of water and don't want to do them an injustice! Many thanks, Tom.
I seem to have become the resident Boston Acoustics specialist of this forum but that's okay with me. I'm probably the only active member that's read the majority of this thread and has a full Boston system and cares to respond. I know what I'm talking about at least.

Anyways, that's a nice set of speakers! The only thing that might leave a little to be desired is the subwoofer, but it is still a nice unit.

Okay, so I don't know the full specs on the speakers but I know approximately what their frequency responses would be based on the ones I know for sure.
VR-35s: ~45 Hz (maybe a tad lower) - 20 kHz
VR-14: ~65 Hz - 20 kHz
VRS-Pro: 80 Hz - 20 kHz
VR2000: ~30-120 Hz (I think but I haven't done enough research on the sub to know for sure)

For a crossover, you should be looking at somewhere around 80 Hz for the set, which is the standard THX-recommended crossover for the majority of speakers. You could go up to 100 Hz if you wanted, but no higher than that would be necessary. Lower than 80 Hz would be fine for stereo on the VR-35s but not for surround.

So, in short, crossover should be between 80 and 100 Hz, depending on your preference.

I recommend running the auto-setup (Audyssey) on your receiver. It should set your crossovers for you, however if it sets them to anything other than 80-100 Hz, you should change them (Audyssey does some funky things sometimes as all auto calibration systems do). Even if it messes up the crossovers a little, it's worth it to get the room correction (EQ and distances) set.

I don't know how well you remember what goes where, so I can make some suggestions for placement/use if you require it. The VRS-Pros in particular have very specific placement requirements.

I hope that all makes sense. If you need me to clarify something, just reply to the post and I'll do my best. You're certainly lucky getting that set!

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Thanks so much for your response! So just to clarify, when I run the Audyssey it sets my fronts all to "Large" and my rears to small with a Crossover of 120hz for the rears.

Once audyssey is finished should I then go into the speaker settings and set them manually to "small" (this turns the Audyssey LED to RED rather than GREEN - I'm assuming this is because I still have the Audyssey EQ on but not EXACTLY as the Auto-setup Calibrated things?) and then set each speaker to an 80hz-100hz crossover and the Sub to a 80hz aswell?

If this is correct (im very new to all this) am I right in assuming that if I increase the fronts to 100hz they will handle LESS bass than if they were set to 80hz (sending more to the sub) perhaps giving them more clarity in the job they've been given to do by the soundtrack - BUT if they are at 100hz and the sub is only playing frequencies at 80hz or below am I simply loosing the 81-99Hz range? should I then increase the Sub to 100hz too or will that mean it playing to large a range and start to lack definition aswell?

I appreciate the assistance!
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Thanks so much for your response! So just to clarify, when I run the Audyssey it sets my fronts all to "Large" and my rears to small with a Crossover of 120hz for the rears.

Once audyssey is finished should I then go into the speaker settings and set them manually to "small" (this turns the Audyssey LED to RED rather than GREEN - I'm assuming this is because I still have the Audyssey EQ on but not EXACTLY as the Auto-setup Calibrated things?) and then set each speaker to an 80hz-100hz crossover and the Sub to a 80hz aswell?

If this is correct (im very new to all this) am I right in assuming that if I increase the fronts to 100hz they will handle LESS bass than if they were set to 80hz (sending more to the sub) perhaps giving them more clarity in the job they've been given to do by the soundtrack - BUT if they are at 100hz and the sub is only playing frequencies at 80hz or below am I simply loosing the 81-99Hz range? should I then increase the Sub to 100hz too or will that mean it playing to large a range and start to lack definition aswell?

I appreciate the assistance!
You're welcome.

You would want to set all your speakers to small. If your fronts are set to large, you may get more bass but you'll lose clarity. You may also lose bass depending on the phases of the bass waves as they reach your ears.

Then set each speaker's crossover to 80-100 Hz. I would probably do 80 Hz for the fronts and 100 Hz for the center and rears to start with and then experiment from there.

The LED being red means you have done manual setup instead of 100% automatic I believe. That's nothing to worry about.

If you set your fronts to 100 Hz crossover then they will handle less bass (higher crossover = more bass on the subwoofer = less bass on the speakers). This can clean things up. Generally, most subs will handle up to 100 Hz well. Once you go over 100 Hz a lot of them starting having issues, mainly because frequencies over 100 Hz are more directional (i.e. you can tell exactly where the subwoofer is on those tones) and as that is approaching their upper frequency range. Going below 100 Hz will increase clarity a bit, but it comes at the cost of sending more bass to your speakers, especially your rears (which can't handle those tones too well). It's somewhat of a catch-22, however there's really nothing to be done about that with speakers that need a higher crossover. Personally, I find 80 Hz to be the best crossover in my system (so does THX), but my speakers have a slightly lower range than yours. I recommend experimenting by playing something you are familiar with and seeing what setting works best for you.

I'm not 100% familiar with Audyssey so I'll need some clarification on the subwoofer crossover question. Are you talking about setting the crossover on the sub itself or on Audyssey? On the sub itself, the crossover should be turned all the way up because the receiver is bypassing it. If you turn it down lower, especially lower than 100 Hz, the crossovers will not match up. In Audyssey, I think it should be set to whatever your highest crossover is. If your crossovers don't match each other, then yes you will be losing bass from certain channels in the range that is not accounted for.

I hope that helps answer your questions.

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I have several of the Boston acoustics VSI 5835 speakers to install. They came with a beveled plastic ring that looks like it's used angle the woofer. There are no instructions in the box. Boston acoustics has not been helpful so far. Has anybody get any idea what these are thanks so much
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I have several of the Boston acoustics VSI 5835 speakers to install. They came with a beveled plastic ring that looks like it's used angle the woofer. There are no instructions in the box. Boston acoustics has not been helpful so far. Has anybody get any idea what these are thanks so much
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I don't know the answer to that one. So I'll bump it.

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Hi all

looking for suggestions between these two for rear surrounds since no E60 or E70 can be found at the moment. First up is the VR-M50 which I'm strongly leaning towards but not 100% committed do to age! second would be the M25 which i know doesn't share the same VR tweeter but for me its really not all that important for this particular application just really looking for a great speaker at a great price. The front stage consist of E100 and a VR12 center with Energy RC V-S side surrounds 9which blend pretty well with the BA's

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Hi all

looking for suggestions between these two for rear surrounds since no E60 or E70 can be found at the moment. First up is the VR-M50 which I'm strongly leaning towards but not 100% committed do to age! second would be the M25 which i know doesn't share the same VR tweeter but for me its really not all that important for this particular application just really looking for a great speaker at a great price. The front stage consist of E100 and a VR12 center with Energy RC V-S side surrounds 9which blend pretty well with the BA's

Thanks in advance for the suggestions
The age doesn't matter too much here. Actually that's an advantage here because you can buy a pair used easier. It's not like older speakers from the 70s or 80s (or earlier) that might have rotted foam surrounds or any other number of problems (VR-Ms are only 10-15 years old). The only real problems would be if they were driven hard, dropped, or damaged but that's usually unlikely, IME.

For rear speakers, either pair would be more than adequate. Personally, I would go with the ones that look the best to me and/or are the cheapest. There's probably not a whole lot of difference between them for this application.

You might even want to look into Boston Acoustics CRs for this application. My CR surrounds mesh perfectly with my VR fronts, IMO.

I hope that helps.
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The age doesn't matter too much here. Actually that's an advantage here because you can buy a pair used easier. It's not like older speakers from the 70s or 80s (or earlier) that might have rotted foam surrounds or any other number of problems (VR-Ms are only 10-15 years old). The only real problems would be if they were driven hard, dropped, or damaged but that's usually unlikely, IME.

For rear speakers, either pair would be more than adequate. Personally, I would go with the ones that look the best to me and/or are the cheapest. There's probably not a whole lot of difference between them for this application.

You might even want to look into Boston Acoustics CRs for this application. My CR surrounds mesh perfectly with my VR fronts, IMO.

I hope that helps.
Thanks! my old VR40's that my brother-in-law has are still going strong and my VR12 is still in great shape as well! I have another day are so to think things over and your advice is much appreciated
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Just moved my cherry VR3's out of my family room for a pair of system audio sa1750's, but the VR3's will find another home sooner or later. maybe I'll post them here.
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The age doesn't matter too much here. Actually that's an advantage here because you can buy a pair used easier. It's not like older speakers from the 70s or 80s (or earlier) that might have rotted foam surrounds or any other number of problems (VR-Ms are only 10-15 years old). The only real problems would be if they were driven hard, dropped, or damaged but that's usually unlikely, IME.

For rear speakers, either pair would be more than adequate. Personally, I would go with the ones that look the best to me and/or are the cheapest. There's probably not a whole lot of difference between them for this application.

You might even want to look into Boston Acoustics CRs for this application. My CR surrounds mesh perfectly with my VR fronts, IMO.

I hope that helps.
I decided to go with the VR-M50's , I'll post on what they bring to the table.

Thanks again for the nudge
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I decided to go with the VR-M50's , I'll post on what they bring to the table.

Thanks again for the nudge
Did you get one of the many pairs that has popped up on eBay recently? I can't believe the prices the VR M50s and 60s are going for now. Let us know what you think!

If they don't do it for you, I second the vote for the newer CR line especially the cr67 and 77. For the price they go for they are a steal.

I feel pretty lucky I was able to snag some E40s and pair of E60s on eBay in the past year cause they are a rare sight on there! Now that I have one E70 I would love to get a couple more haha. I am very envious of your E100s!!
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Is anyone using m340/350s with an m centre channel? If I am understanding this right the towers are fairly traditional 3 ways but the centre utilizes a bmr driver for midranges and tweeter replacement. How the heck is this considered timbre matched?
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Did you get one of the many pairs that has popped up on eBay recently? I can't believe the prices the VR M50s and 60s are going for now. Let us know what you think!

If they don't do it for you, I second the vote for the newer CR line especially the cr67 and 77. For the price they go for they are a steal.

I feel pretty lucky I was able to snag some E40s and pair of E60s on eBay in the past year cause they are a rare sight on there! Now that I have one E70 I would love to get a couple more haha. I am very envious of your E100s!!
Thanks for the heads up I haven't even seen the CR line up. It was good ole Ebay to save the day and a great price to boot (couldn't believe it myself) They should more than get the job done for rear surrounds as I would love to use them in a 2/ch setup (perhaps one day)the VR-M60's where just a tad to big and when I saw the M50's I thought "Perfect".
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Is anyone using m340/350s with an m centre channel? If I am understanding this right the towers are fairly traditional 3 ways but the centre utilizes a bmr driver for midranges and tweeter replacement. How the heck is this considered timbre matched?
I use two M350's and five M25's. Two surrounds, two front heights, and center. I almost bought the M center, but I had posted here and was talked away from it. I can always use the M25's for more surrounds. I don't know why Boston doesn't make a higher performing center. Maybe one is coming.
I have a Klipsch RC 52? I slip it in once in a while, but keep going back to the Boston as I am not a honky horn fan. They do not sound natural to me.
I'm sure the M center is timber matched.

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I use two M350's and five M25's. Two surrounds, two front heights, and center. I almost bought the M center, but I had posted here and was talked away from it. I can always use the M25's for more surrounds. I don't know why Boston doesn't make a higher performing center. Maybe one is coming.
I have a Klipsch RC 52? I slip it in once in a while, but keep going back to the Boston as I am not a honky horn fan. They do not sound natural to me.
I'm sure the M center is timber matched.
I'd give the M center a try and decide for yourself, I find that the most important factor for good center channel playback has more to do with placement and crossover match to a sub (if using one) I'm also curious as to how that particular tweeter sounds with the human voice. It should be noted they can be found at excellent prices right now as well.
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I am a boston vr 12 owner, looking to replace my 965/975 towers with bookshelves. Can anyone speak on the matching of a vr12 to svs prime or satellite bookshelves?

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Have you given any thought to a pair of used VM50s or 60s? This would be a perfect timbre match and you can readily find them on eBay. I've heard nothing but good things about the SVS Prime and Ultra series speakers, but if you plan to retain the VR12, keeping the front soundstage would be critical and using one of the VRM bookshelfs would assure that.
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Have you given any thought to a pair of used VM50s or 60s? This would be a perfect timbre match and you can readily find them on eBay. I've heard nothing but good things about the SVS Prime and Ultra series speakers, but if you plan to retain the VR12, keeping the front soundstage would be critical and using one of the VRM bookshelfs would assure that.
I have, and I am trying. The VRM 50/60 are still so costly, especially after adding in the $50+ shipping costs.
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OH, snap! It's the Boston Acoustics folks!

I always liked Boston Acoustics speakers ever since years ago where I had some speakers from them in my car. Though I've never had experience with them as far as home audio goes, how are they? From what I remember, those cars speakers of their were a bit on the bright side....... though quality of sounds were good, pretty defined and crystal clear.

People are saying the Boston subs aren't that great though, is that true?
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OH, snap! It's the Boston Acoustics folks!

I always liked Boston Acoustics speakers ever since years ago where I had some speakers from them in my car. Though I've never had experience with them as far as home audio goes, how are they? From what I remember, those cars speakers of their were a bit on the bright side....... though quality of sounds were good, pretty defined and crystal clear.

People are saying the Boston subs aren't that great though, is that true?
I've not had much exposure to other speakers, but compared to bose, yamaha, sony, klipsch, mirage... well there is no comparison. I am speaking of the VR series only. I do not find them bright, even when I pushed my VR975's well north of 90dB's. Never found anything to be harsh, always great neutral sound production for home theater and they rock ever so smooth for music.
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I have been using VR-M60's since about 2000 in my system and really have not felt a need to upgrade. I think about it occasionally and do some shopping but these still sound so good to me and the cost to step up just doesn't seem to justify it. I am using 5 of the 60's in my HT and a pair of 50's, VR-MX's, and the VR-MC in a closet not in use.
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For those of you with the VR-M60's, I'm just starting to play with a pair and I'm curious how far off the wall do you find to be the best distance for them? And how much toe-in do you like to give them?

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For those of you with the VR-M60's, I'm just starting to play with a pair and I'm curious how far off the wall do you find to be the best distance for them? And how much toe-in do you like to give them?

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Mine are about 18-20" out from the wall and toed in so that are almost pointing at the main listening position. I think they are on 28" Sanus SF stands.
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I got my VR-M50's in and Oh My! they are gorgeous and in excellent shape. I cleaned them up and if I where the original owner I would have had a hard time parting with them. I'm really hating the idea of using them as wall mounted rear surrounds (2/ch setup is tempting) but it will be there new home tomorrow.
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I got my VR-M50's in and Oh My! they are gorgeous and in excellent shape. I cleaned them up and if I where the original owner I would have had a hard time parting with them. I'm really hating the idea of using them as wall mounted rear surrounds (2/ch setup is tempting) but it will be there new home tomorrow.
Thats awesome! What was the price if I may ask? Pairs keep popping up on eBay but seems the asking prices keep going up and up, but they are definitely a great looking speaker!
Let us know how they compare in sound to your other speakers once you've given them some time.
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Mine are about 18-20" out from the wall and toed in so that are almost pointing at the main listening position. I think they are on 28" Sanus SF stands.
Thank you for the response Simm.
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Thats awesome! What was the price if I may ask? Pairs keep popping up on eBay but seems the asking prices keep going up and up, but they are definitely a great looking speaker!
Let us know how they compare in sound to your other speakers once you've given them some time.
I got them for $260 shipped the VR-M60's fetch a bit more but if in great shape worth it, I very partial to a 5 1/4 midrange and why I chose the M50's. I'll post back my findings once I install them and dial them in
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I got them for $260 shipped the VR-M60's fetch a bit more but if in great shape worth it, I very partial to a 5 1/4 midrange and why I chose the M50's. I'll post back my findings once I install them and dial them in
Yeah that's not bad at all! There is a listing on CL for the M60s asking 425, thought that was real high but the listing claims they are in excellent condition...
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Yeah that's not bad at all! There is a listing on CL for the M60s asking 425, thought that was real high but the listing claims they are in excellent condition...
If they are in excellent condition, I would say there worth it! These are extremely well made speakers and the drivers on the 50's I have are in as good as new shape, aside from a very small chip , I'd rate them perfect! I did a lot of shopping around looking at tons of bookshelf's and if Boston released these today they would compare favorably and most likely cost more as well! if in good shape grab them as I have a few pointers on how to clean them up further.

I should note as well my wife picked these (and Man she was right) and absolutely loves them
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