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Has anyone ever been able to compare the VR 12 to the VR 14?

Not exaclty what you are asking, but I upgraded from a VR10 to a VR14. Was amazing, the difference. Also, sold my VR10 to someone who was using Cambridge Soundworks center, his upgrade was so impressive, he wants to switch all CS to BAs... I can't blame him

VR14 is huge, so now I need a new stand to keep it under the Plasma...

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In what order would you choose for a center channel. I have a pair of Boston vr2's and A paradigm center.. I want get a boston center channel and here are my choices..

vr920
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vr-m

These are the only one's that will fit.. please give me some help on which one will be best for me.. Forget about the cash I want the best sound quality for my application
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The closeout prices at 1call are getting so crazy I decided to buy two factory refurbished VR1s, giving me VR3 mains, a VR1 center, VR1 surrounds, and Ascend 340 rears. They were selling a pair of the VR1s factory refurbished for less than three bills
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Steve you lucky dog, after reading your post I went to the website to see if I could find that deal and I guess they're all sold out? Or is there some special section reserved for refurbs.
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With the size of the room (and a high "mountain lodge" ceiling), it may be that the center is having a little bit of trouble keeping dialogue clear all of the time. I was having some difficulty following the conversation just watching the Today show (in HD with digital sound): the sounds of the crowd, during the segment outside the studio, seemed to drown out the dialogue between the presenters.

The placement of the center can have a significant effect on the quality of the dialog. I noticed a marked improvement when moving my VR10 from the shelf in the TV stand below the TV to on top of the TV. The combination of being close to the hard floor and cooped up in the TV stand must have hurt the sound quality. But you also need to do some level matching (if you haven't already).
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Not exaclty what you are asking, but I upgraded from a VR10 to a VR14. Was amazing, the difference. Also, sold my VR10 to someone who was using Cambridge Soundworks center, his upgrade was so impressive, he wants to switch all CS to BAs... I can't blame him

VR14 is huge, so now I need a new stand to keep it under the Plasma...

Al

I went from the VRC to the VR12. The VRC is now gone!

No one ever talks about the VR14 and I've never seen one for sale anywhere. I will be keeping my eye's open though.
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I've seen 3 vr14's on ebay over the last 2-3 years...that's it! all sold for 3 bills + I'm not paying that kind of money. Call me cheap or whatever but patience and continuous looking will get you what you want. I did just that and because of it I only have 90 bucks in my vr12. Woo-hoo.
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Steve you lucky dog, after reading your post I went to the website to see if I could find that deal and I guess they're all sold out? Or is there some special section reserved for refurbs.

On the home page click clearance tab...then select brand from list on left. vr1's and 2's(cherry only) still there. Better hurry.
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I just ordered a pair of cherry VR2s for a killer price along with an Onkyo 805 (blew up a Pioneer 1014). That puts me with cherry VR3s as mains, cherry VR2s, and cherry VRBs. Unfortunately my VR12 center is only black. I can't wait to get the system hooked up, cuz I feel like a little kid in a candy store. I have a question that didn't get answered in a post that I'll ask here.....should I use the new VR2s as rear or side surrounds?
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Steve you lucky dog, after reading your post I went to the website to see if I could find that deal and I guess they're all sold out? Or is there some special section reserved for refurbs.

It would be listed along with the normal BA speakers. The thing is, when they get some factory refurbs, it's usually just one pair of speakers at a time, so you'd have to have good timing.

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On the home page click clearance tab...then select brand from list on left. vr1's and 2's(cherry only) still there. Better hurry.

That's just the normal reduced price for new speakers though. Occasionally they also sell factory refurbs - they were selling VR1 refurbs for $99 each, but shipping wasn't free.

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I have a question that didn't get answered in a post that I'll ask here.....should I use the new VR2s as rear or side surrounds?

Rears will never get more information sent to them then the side surrounds, only the same or less (usually less), as the signal sent to the rears is matrixed from the discrete side surrounds. Because of this, if using two different types of speakers for sides and rears, the sides should be the beefier speakers. Use the VR2s for side surrounds and the VRBs for rears.
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Thanks Steve, thats what I wanted to know. Do you think a crossover point of 60 will be ok or should I use 80. I'm trying to take a little strain off my sub, which is adequate at best. Thats the next thing on my upgrade list.
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Well I don't think that would take much strain off your subwoofer, but the VR3s and VR2s wouldn't sweat a 60hz crossover. I'd imagine the VR12 would be fine, and since the VRBs would be used only for rear surround duty, they should be fine as well. What subwoofer are you using? If you are even slightly handy, a DIY subwoofer project would alleviate any concerns you have over bass capability and save you some money as well.
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I found them on the CC website so assume they'll have in store....I'll post my experience after I hear them.....hopefully this wknd.

So I stopped by my local CC and unfortunately, they did NOT have the Horizon series on display.

What's worse.....they couldn't even get their HT to play L & R so I couldn't hear the VR2s everyone here likes.
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Well I don't think that would take much strain off your subwoofer, but the VR3s and VR2s wouldn't sweat a 60hz crossover. I'd imagine the VR12 would be fine, and since the VRBs would be used only for rear surround duty, they should be fine as well. What subwoofer are you using? If you are even slightly handy, a DIY subwoofer project would alleviate any concerns you have over bass capability and save you some money as well.

I'm kind of embarrassed to say that it is an old AR sub 12" with 120watts. It has always been the weak point of my system, but since I don't listen to movies and music as loud as I used to, its shortcomings fall into play far less. I actually have a Carver m1.5t laying around right now that I had considered as a sub amp, as it put out 380 rms x 2. However, I wouldn't know where to begin with a DIY subwoofer, even though I could probably do it. Just never considered it until now. Would that work as a decent amp for a sub (or 2), as it is un-bridgeable?
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That's on the low side, but it could be made to work. Does your processor/reciever allow for independent crossovers? For example, will it let you use say 60hz crossover for the mains and 80hz for the center?
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I've seen 3 vr14's on ebay over the last 2-3 years...that's it! all sold for 3 bills + I'm not paying that kind of money. Call me cheap or whatever but patience and continuous looking will get you what you want. I did just that and because of it I only have 90 bucks in my vr12. Woo-hoo.

I was looking for a VR12, just like you. I called BA to ask what the next upgrade would be from a VR10, they said the VRC (their current model) was more 'of a sideways upgrade' from the VR10. They said best bet was to find a VR12 if I could get lucky... Then he mentioned this rare VR14 (funny thing, is the VR35s pair with it for THX certification, but not the VR40s which I have).

I did see VR12s on ebay, but got a VR14 and another pair of VR40s in one shot (scratches on the side surfaces of the VR40s but all sound great and not a scratch on the VR14).

I would assume owners of the VR12 have the same 'where am I going to put this thing' issues as VR14?

It it full, detailed and really brings movie details to life. I will post if I stumble across another one (if people would like)...

Maybe being located in Boston Acoustic backyard helps with finding some?

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Hi all. I have a pair of BA VR-M60's that i love. Play them off a 20 year old NAD Power Envelope 7200 with a Fried "passive" sub woofer, and only use the system to listen to music.

I originally had the Fried Beta Satellites and upgraded to the BA m60's. Having read the posts I have 2 questions.

1. Will a new sub woofer dramatically improve my overall sound.
2. Is there any point in bi-amping? (My NAD has an integrated pre-amp and i'm told that I can bi-amp from the one unit.)

Thanks for your help and please be clear as i'm a neophile that just loves great 2 channel sound.
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Hi all. I have a pair of BA VR-M60's that i love. Play them off a 20 year old NAD Power Envelope 7200 with a Fried "passive" sub woofer, and only use the system to listen to music.

I originally had the Fried Beta Satellites and upgraded to the BA m60's. Having read the posts I have 2 questions.

1. Will a new sub woofer dramatically improve my overall sound.
2. Is there any point in bi-amping? (My NAD has an integrated pre-amp and i'm told that I can bi-amp from the one unit.)

Thanks for your help and please be clear as i'm a neophile that just loves great 2 channel sound.

Yes about new sub. Tech has come a long way and subs are tighter, faster, deeper, louder than ever. Don't bother w/ bi amp/wiring. Best bang for buck would be hsu, axiom, or rbh.. Very nice quality subs. I don't care for the newer BA subs. The previous few years model run of the pv1000 is sweet and very musical if you can find one and it would match your monitors. Fast and tight. I'm old school too. 2ch music rules. Well...2.1
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thanks for the feedback...how do i go about finding out if the sub matches my monitors?

Regards....
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Not exaclty what you are asking, but I upgraded from a VR10 to a VR14. Was amazing, the difference. Also, sold my VR10 to someone who was using Cambridge Soundworks center, his upgrade was so impressive, he wants to switch all CS to BAs... I can't blame him

VR14 is huge, so now I need a new stand to keep it under the Plasma...

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Just wondering if you could post a pic of the vr14 as I have never heard of this speaker. I was fortunate enough to buy a vr12 brand new when they came out and am still using it today. At the time I didn't realize how good of a center channel it was and bought it because it was soooo big. I figured that had to be good. Hey, I was 19 or 20 at that time. I didn't know half as much as I do now.

This is the only picture that I could find:

http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/KIT-THX-Bost...QQcmdZViewItem

Do you know what the specs are for the vr14?
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thanks for the feedback...how do i go about finding out if the sub matches my monitors?

Regards....[/quote]

Sorry...should have been more clear. What I mean by match is cosmetics. A pv1000 would match sonically as well but any woofer will match your m60's as it's job will be to handle lower freq's that the m60's can't faithfully reproduce. I would get a quality sub and set crossover to about about 60hz or somewhere in that area that gives you a smooth transition from monitors to sub. It should sound seamless if setup correctly. You will hear all the highs and mids with a strong, tight, fast bass being handled by the sub and you should be able to close your eyes and not pinpoint where bass is coming from. It will be like the bass is coming from the m60's but of course it will not be.
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If anyone is interested I have a VR14 I'm thinking about putting up on ebay, It doesn't have a grill but I checked with BA Parts department and there still available for $30 Wadeknoke@hotmail.com
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Just wondering if you could post a pic of the vr14 as I have never heard of this speaker. I was fortunate enough to buy a vr12 brand new when they came out and am still using it today. At the time I didn't realize how good of a center channel it was and bought it because it was soooo big. I figured that had to be good. Hey, I was 19 or 20 at that time. I didn't know half as much as I do now.

This is the only picture that I could find:

http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/KIT-THX-Bost...QQcmdZViewItem

Do you know what the specs are for the vr14?

Here is the link from BA's Website:

bostonacoustics.com/tec_hp_dpi.aspx

VR 14 THX center channel 2-6.5" woofer, 2-2.5" midrange, 1" tweeter
Recommended Amplifier Power: 200 watts
Years produced: 96-00

I can take some pictures...

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VR 14 THX center channel 2-6.5" woofer, 2-2.5" midrange, 1" tweeter
Recommended Amplifier Power: 200 watts
Years produced: 96-00

Whoa... That sounds like a monster. 200 watts recommended! It must be like a floorstanding tower stuffed into a horizontal box.
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There's just something pretty sweet about using VR1 towers for surrounds
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Whoa... That sounds like a monster. 200 watts recommended! It must be like a floorstanding tower stuffed into a horizontal box.




The VR14 is so so big, it comes right up to my plasma viewable area. But the sound and detail are amazing. I really think I got lucky finding it available.

I haven't seen many out there for sale, but it is worth changing my TV stand (and maybe my TV) to accomodate it. LOL

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Steve, I couldn't help but chuckle a little seeing that VR1 perched atop the stand like that

Reminds me of when I had a pair of Athena AS-F1 floorstanders hooked up to my computer and standing on my desk right beside the monitor, towering over everything.
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There's just something pretty sweet about using VR1 towers for surrounds

What's that big black cylinder on the left of the second picture? A 7-foot tall subwoofer?
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Why yes, yes it is.
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Steve, I have viewed the pictures of your VR1s set up for surround use. I mean this with all due respect......

You are sick.

I am wondering if I can fit them in the back of my living room. They only cost a little more than some cheap little surround speakers.......it only makes sense.

My wife may throw me out of the house I pay for. I think this is unfair, but I am also sure no one will come to my defense. Why is life so complicated?

Thank you all for listening.
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