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The 6.3s have been on for $1200 each on a few long weekend sales and they were on once a long time ago for half price of the lower mrsp at that time for $800 each. The RC-70 were $600each until they ran out of stock. The web site shows available in store but only place is edmonton. I wonder if FS might get some RC-70s in the same shipment as Vanns for boxing day.

I got my RC-70's when they were being sold at Future Shop for $500 a piece.
I'm thinking that Future Shop will be getting a few more in. Time will tell soon.

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well http://www.soundearphones.com/ is going to replace my speakers with the two dings....im not sure what to get, the blacks or the rosenut.

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The way the Hidef salesman spoke, they had to buy 30k of product originally to get their pricing deal. That was at a fixed price point that Energy now won't go back and adjust since letting other players into the game (and lowering price?). Seems like Hidef were miffed at Energy for that and not getting satisfying communications with them on this matter. So even though he said the speakers were good quality, they have a bad taste in their mouth with Energy over the current situation.

IF (big if and we'll soon see) competitors start offering product at even lower prices, than Hidef would have to sell just as low or lower to compete. And remember their original pricing was fixed from the start at the higher levels so the bleeding continues with their current inventory.

This of course is only as valid as the honesty or understanding of the situation from the sales manager who told me this (assuming of course you believe me as well )

This is literally the exact story he gave me so the consistency leads me to believe he is telling the truth. He said they were disappointed because they really liked the product but the inventory was rapidly becoming toxic.
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Snagged a CC-5 off ebay for a nice price Going to use my C-100s as surrounds and get CB series fronts to match, but which? Should I stick with CB-10s or go for the CB-20? 14x10 bedroom setup.
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do you have a subwoofer?

What kind of pricing are you finding for the CB-10 and 20? If you can afford the CB-20 then get those.

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Snagged a CC-5 off ebay for a nice price Going to use my C-100s as surrounds and get CB series fronts to match, but which? Should I stick with CB-10s or go for the CB-20? 14x10 bedroom setup.

If you can get the 20's on sale close the cost of the 10's then get those. If you have a sub then Im sure the 10's would be fine but why not get the larger woofer for a few bucks extra.
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Snagged a CC-5 off ebay for a nice price Going to use my C-100s as surrounds and get CB series fronts to match, but which? Should I stick with CB-10s or go for the CB-20? 14x10 bedroom setup.

PM sent regarding available CB-20s.
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well http://www.soundearphones.com/ is going to replace my speakers with the two dings....im not sure what to get, the blacks or the rosenut.

Rosenut! Wasn't that what you wanted at first?
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If you want to do 2 channel music listening, for sure get RC towers. Get the 70s if you can, but the 50s aren't too far behind.

You can set them to SMALL or LARGE, but you can tweak that and see what you like once you actually have them in your home You just need to make sure the crossover is set to the frequency of the smallest speaker. Usually means 80, but if you use the Takes as surrounds, might mean closer to 120.

Maybe I've been doing this wrong all along then. I have my RC-30s set to 80, the LCR set to 80, and the RC-Minis set to 100. Should I set everything to 100?
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Rosenut! Wasn't that what you wanted at first?

Is a hard decision I know how the blacks looks in front of me so is going to be hard decision to change to something different, Im not sure if I really going to like then in rosenut.seeing then in pictures is a different visualization than looking at then in real life.

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Maybe I've been doing this wrong all along then. I have my RC-30s set to 80, the LCR set to 80, and the RC-Minis set to 100. Should I set everything to 100?

No, I think he was referring to a receiver that only uses one crossover setting for all your speakers. Your settings look to be just fine....
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No, I think he was referring to a receiver that only uses one crossover setting for all your speakers. Your settings look to be just fine....

Thanks for the reply!
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Maybe I've been doing this wrong all along then. I have my RC-30s set to 80, the LCR set to 80, and the RC-Minis set to 100. Should I set everything to 100?

As already mentioned, you're settings are correct for how you've done it. Don't set the crossover settings to be all to the same.

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Is a hard decision I know how the blacks looks in front of me so is going to be hard decision to change to something different, Im not sure if I really going to like then in rosenut.seeing then in pictures is a different visualization than looking at then in real life.

Coming from someone who has owned both the black and rosenut, and I would highly recommend the rosenut. Don't worry about it matching other furniture...it looks so good it doesn't need to!
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I just saw someone bring up crossover settings so I figured I would propose a question regarding them. My receiver is a Yamaha RX-V867 and I believe it can only assign one crossover for all of my speakers. I have been using a crossover of 80 and it sounds pretty good. I have a pair of CF-70's along with a CC-10 up front and a pair of CB-10's for surrounds. I know the CF-70's have no problem but can the rest of my speakers handle a crossover of 80Hz?
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I just saw someone bring up crossover settings so I figured I would propose a question regarding them. My receiver is a Yamaha RX-V867 and I believe it can only assign one crossover for all of my speakers. I have been using a crossover of 80 and it sounds pretty good. I have a pair of CF-70's along with a CC-10 up front and a pair of CB-10's for surrounds. I know the CF-70's have no problem but can the rest of my speakers handle a crossover of 80Hz?

Since the CF-70 is a full range speaker, you should be able to set it to "Large" (bypassing base management) and customize the crossover freq for your other speakers. Otherwise, you are not really using the bottom end of those 70's.
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Since the CF-70 is a full range speaker, you should be able to set it to "Large" (bypassing base management) and customize the crossover freq for your other speakers. Otherwise, you are not really using the bottom end of those 70's.

CF-70 may be considered a "full range" speaker but if you have a subwoofer, set a logical crossover for it. It can not provide equivilant output below 40Hz compared to a dedicated subwoofer. I would use 80hz or even 60hz would probably be fine. This frees up your speaker to handle the important musical parts of mid and upper bass and takes a big load off of your receiver from having to drive those power intensive lowest frequencies....
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The 6.3s have been on for $1200 each on a few long weekend sales and they were on once a long time ago for half price of the lower mrsp at that time for $800 each. The RC-70 were $600each until they ran out of stock. The web site shows available in store but only place is edmonton. I wonder if FS might get some RC-70s in the same shipment as Vanns for boxing day.

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The Veritas have been half price at Future Shop in the past, and that wasn't the buy a 60" tv and get 50% off speakers either. Hopefully Canadians will be the lucky recipients of whatever is happening with Energy and their sellers.
Do you use your setup more for music or multi channel music listening?
If it is used a lot for music, I would try to stick with the front five speakers in the same line. For movie surrounds, I would think that the C's should work fine for you.
I'd wait for Chritmas as well. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

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I got my RC-70's when they were being sold at Future Shop for $500 a piece.
I'm thinking that Future Shop will be getting a few more in. Time will tell soon.

Well those are rather encouraging comments. However, given a half-price sale, I'd still prefer getting a pair of CF-70s at 500-600$ than a pair of RC-70s at 1000-1200$, if only to match the looks of the other speakers and save money. Of course, given the choice between a 1000$ pair of CF-70s and a 1000$ pair of RC-70s, I guess I'd be a fool to go with the CF-70s.

(Really, FS once sold RC-70s for 500$ each? wow... considering they're asking 1300$ each now, it's almost incredible).

This is all rethorical for now anyway. The only hope is that the probability of FutureShop selling Energy speakers for half the price is much higher than the local store. It's really a shame that FutureShop decided not to get the CF-70s... And alas, I'm not in the market for a 60"+ television either. However I know a friend who might be, so that's an interesting avenue.

To answer Hank's question, the setup is mainly used for tv, games, movies; I'm trying to find the time to actually listen to music but the fact is most of the time, it's net radio background music. So while I enjoy listening to music it's not the main purpose of the setup, and I'm no audiophile. I probably couldn't tell the difference between the CF-70 and the RC-70 anyway (I never heard any of them either). I'm mainly curious about what towers would do in movies and games vs the CB-20s I currently use on the fronts. If I buy towers, I'd probably put the CB-20s as surrounds. My current surrounds are CB-10s; those would probably go in another room. If I use CB-20s as surrounds, with 6.5" woofers, I guess I should stick with -70s (be it CFs or RCs) just to match low-frew responses.

Thanks for keeping your fingers crossed for me! But if anyone manage to find a place in Canada selling CF-70s, online or not, please tell me, as this would double the chances of a good deal and may help bargaining...

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Snagged a CC-5 off ebay for a nice price Going to use my C-100s as surrounds and get CB series fronts to match, but which? Should I stick with CB-10s or go for the CB-20? 14x10 bedroom setup.

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do you have a subwoofer?

What kind of pricing are you finding for the CB-10 and 20? If you can afford the CB-20 then get those.

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If you can get the 20's on sale close the cost of the 10's then get those. If you have a sub then Im sure the 10's would be fine but why not get the larger woofer for a few bucks extra.

I have a CC-5, and quickly upgraded to a CC-10 (which I got for less than the CC-5). The CC-5 is nice and small, but I'd think it's more matched to the CB-10 than the CB-20s. With the CB-20 fronts, the dialogues coming out of the CC-5 felt out of place, slightly lacking bass. However, at the time I didn't have a AVR with built-in calibration. That would have helped a lot.

I think you can still uste the CC-5 with the CB-20s of course but that would certainly require more fine-tuning to match the output of the center and front channels.

The really nice thing about the CC-5 is its size: it can even be wall-mounted without a shelf. Not common for centers.

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CF-70 may be considered a "full range" speaker but if you have a subwoofer, set a logical crossover for it. It can not provide equivilant output below 40Hz compared to a dedicated subwoofer. I would use 80hz or even 60hz would probably be fine. This frees up your speaker to handle the important musical parts of mid and upper bass and takes a big load off of your receiver from having to drive those power intensive lowest frequencies....

My receiver does allow some speakers to be set small and others large. I have always used the small setting for everything though. Are you saying that if I set the towers to large then the crossover I have for the rest of the speakers does not apply to the towers? If I did this, at what point would the receiver stop sending low freaquency to the towers? I know for a fact they cant play 30Hz as well as my sub. Also, do you think the CB-10's could handle a crossover of 60hz? They are used for surrounds and I was thinking that low freaquencies rarely get set to surrounds anyway. Am I right to think that?
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Is a hard decision I know how the blacks looks in front of me so is going to be hard decision to change to something different, Im not sure if I really going to like then in rosenut.seeing then in pictures is a different visualization than looking at then in real life.

Rosenut is beautiful but does stand out. If you want them to blend in black it better. I have rosenut.

My review comparisons of Energy RC-70s to Veritas V6.3 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post21199418
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My receiver does allow some speakers to be set small and others large. I have always used the small setting for everything though. Are you saying that if I set the towers to large then the crossover I have for the rest of the speakers does not apply to the towers? If I did this, at what point would the receiver stop sending low freaquency to the towers? I know for a fact they cant play 30Hz as well as my sub. Also, do you think the CB-10's could handle a crossover of 60hz? They are used for surrounds and I was thinking that low freaquencies rarely get set to surrounds anyway. Am I right to think that?

Here's my understanding of bass management in receivers that can set speakers to SMALL or LARGE. When setting a speaker to SMALL, the audio stream to that speaker is split in low and high frequency components according to the crossover you specify. The low-frequency component is sent to the subwoofer and the high-frequency is sent to the speaker. This is useful for speakers that have trouble generating good bass. When set to LARGE, the speaker gets the audio stream in its integrality.

This is *on top* of the LFE (low frequency effects) channel (i.e. the .1 in 5.1 or 7.1), which is solely sent to the subwoofer if you have one. So even if you set your speaker to LARGE, the subwoofer will still be used for LFEs.

On some receivers (e.g. Pioneer), you when your speakers are set to LARGE, you can set the subwoofer to YES, NO or PLUS. The PLUS setting takes the low-frequency component of every channel and send it to the subwoofer, regardless of the size setting of the speakers. So even if you have LARGE speakers, the sub is also used for low-freqs other than the LFE channel.

Whether you prefer setting your speakers to SMALL, or to LARGE, or to LARGE + PLUS subwoofer is essentially a question of taste and will depend on the room and receiver also. But with CF-70s, I think I'd use LARGE, and if you have a particularly good sub that you want to hear for music, LARGE + PLUS sub if available on your receiver.

My setup is CB-20 fronts, CB-10 surrounds and a CC-10 center, and the Pionner calibration (MCACC) suggested that all speakers be set to LARGE. This is somewhat surprising, but overall, I like it a lot, altough I decided to use PLUS subwoofer in the end. With the SMALL setting, I think my sub (ESW-C8) sounds mushier than the CB-20s for low-freqs that are not just rumbles.

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Well those are rather encouraging comments. However, given a half-price sale, I'd still prefer getting a pair of CF-70s at 500-600$ than a pair of RC-70s at 1000-1200$, if only to match the looks of the other speakers and save money. Of course, given the choice between a 1000$ pair of CF-70s and a 1000$ pair of RC-70s, I guess I'd be a fool to go with the CF-70s.

(Really, FS once sold RC-70s for 500$ each? wow... considering they're asking 1300$ each now, it's almost incredible).

This is all rethorical for now anyway. The only hope is that the probability of FutureShop selling Energy speakers for half the price is much higher than the local store. It's really a shame that FutureShop decided not to get the CF-70s... And alas, I'm not in the market for a 60"+ television either. However I know a friend who might be, so that's an interesting avenue.

To answer Hank's question, the setup is mainly used for tv, games, movies; I'm trying to find the time to actually listen to music but the fact is most of the time, it's net radio background music. So while I enjoy listening to music it's not the main purpose of the setup, and I'm no audiophile. I probably couldn't tell the difference between the CF-70 and the RC-70 anyway (I never heard any of them either). I'm mainly curious about what towers would do in movies and games vs the CB-20s I currently use on the fronts. If I buy towers, I'd probably put the CB-20s as surrounds. My current surrounds are CB-10s; those would probably go in another room. If I use CB-20s as surrounds, with 6.5" woofers, I guess I should stick with -70s (be it CFs or RCs) just to match low-frew responses.

Thanks for keeping your fingers crossed for me! But if anyone manage to find a place in Canada selling CF-70s, online or not, please tell me, as this would double the chances of a good deal and may help bargaining...

That Future Shop sale price was epic. People were trying to sell their used RC-70's for $1800 at the same time!
I wouldn't buy the C's at our full price. If I had to choose, I would buy used or I would go to a whole other speaker brand for my front main towers and centre, and use the C's that you already have for the surrounds. Since you are mostly using your set up for tv, games and movies, I wouldn't be totally set on having all the speakers from the same family or even brand. You should be able to get much better value with another brand in my opinion. I have no idea why Future Shop and Energy don't offer the CF-70's, it really makes no sense and I'm sure it's very frustrating for you. Hopefully they make it up to us.
Also, you would most definitely be able to tell the difference between the RC speaker and a CF speaker. They are very different sounding.

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My setup is CB-20 fronts, CB-10 surrounds and a CC-10 center, and the Pionner calibration (MCACC) suggested that all speakers be set to LARGE. This is somewhat surprising, but overall, I like it a lot, altough I decided to use PLUS subwoofer in the end. With the SMALL setting, I think my sub (ESW-C8) sounds mushier than the CB-20s for low-freqs that are not just rumbles.


I could be wrong on this, but I think running MCAAC always defaults to large, no matter what the speakers or sub. At least my Pioneer always has, and I've run across some discussion (just doing a general google search on the issue) suggesting the same. These discussions suggest running MCAAC and then manually changing the speaker setting to Small, if Small is desired. Again, I apologize if I'm wrong -- just throwing it out there fwiw.
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All,

I'm a happy owner of a pair of original C-6's and an AC-300 center, but my rear surrounds are just some old crappy 20 year old JBL book shelves. I jumped on the Denon 4311 deal a few weeks ago, and it should be here next Tuesday.

Can anyone recommend some Energy (or even Mirage) that will complement my fronts well? In particularly anything from Vanns, since they seem to have quite a few options from both brands on sale.

As much as I'd like to get a set of Veritas 6.3's and the matching center at these sale prices, probably not the wise move since my rears need replacing and don't even have a sub. Yet.

Thanks for any help or thoughts!
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to neutro: The RC-70s are NOT available no matter what the website says. If they ever do get new stock in (like for boxing day) they should be 500-600 each but this may never happen. There hasn't been new stock since boxing day last year. Price was raised to $1200 after stock ran out.

My review comparisons of Energy RC-70s to Veritas V6.3 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post21199418
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You should be able to get much better value with another brand in my opinion. I have no idea why Future Shop and Energy don't offer the CF-70's, it really makes no sense and I'm sure it's very frustrating for you. Hopefully they make it up to us.

Well frustration-wise, it really looks like a toddler's tantrum when I take some distance. I mean, this is my first non-crap Home Theater setup and I'm still grinning when I listen to the CB-20s and CC-10. So I certainly don't *need* the CF-70, and probably much less the RC-70s. The apparent need only surfaced reading this thread; I fully admit and assume it In Maslow's hierarchy of needs, were high up there working onself-esteem and self-actualization

I'm just curious to try full-range floorstanding speakers and currently have some cash on hand (it's been a while since I gave myself a nice present). Plus, I really think towers would be slightly safer for my 14-month daughter. Considering the furniture in the living room, floorstanding towers could not really be toppled sideways (they'd be stopped by other furniture), and front-wise I guess it's almost impossible. Whereas the CB-20 could really hurt little toes if they felt.

Considering this, I'm not sure I even want to look at other brands, altough if you have suggestions, and we don't risk being linched, I'll welcome them. I few pages back someone mentioned Infinity Primus towers and those are available at Best Buy Canada. But maybe I should just wait until a really good occasion presents itself. The real frustration is that they are much less frequent in Canada itself.

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I'm a happy owner of a pair of original C-6's and an AC-300 center, but my rear surrounds are just some old crappy 20 year old JBL book shelves. I jumped on the Denon 4311 deal a few weeks ago, and it should be here next Tuesday.

Can anyone recommend some Energy (or even Mirage) that will complement my fronts well? In particularly anything from Vanns, since they seem to have quite a few options from both brands on sale.

As much as I'd like to get a set of Veritas 6.3's and the matching center at these sale prices, probably not the wise move since my rears need replacing and don't even have a sub. Yet.

Thanks for any help or thoughts!

I have the C-8's but no centre for them. They are great speakers. What JBL's do you have?
I would say the RC speakers would compliment your C's pretty good. The RC-10's are on sale now at Vann's. What do you mostly use this system for?

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I could be wrong on this, but I think running MCAAC always defaults to large, no matter what the speakers or sub.

Ah! that's good to know; I was really surprised that the CB-10 be considered LARGE. Maybe I should listen to the system again with the SMALL setting. Thanks for the information.

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to neutro: The RC-70s are NOT available no matter what the website says. If they ever do get new stock in (like for boxing day) they should be 500-600 each but this may never happen. There hasn't been new stock since boxing day last year. Price was raised to $1200 after stock ran out.

That's funny -- so they raised the price on unavailable items, just to make it look like a bigger sale when they'll offer them? I've seen the the reverse before in other stores -- unbeatable prices on out-of-stock items...

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Well frustration-wise, it really looks like a toddler's tantrum when I take some distance. I mean, this is my first non-crap Home Theater setup and I'm still grinning when I listen to the CB-20s and CC-10. So I certainly don't *need* the CF-70, and probably much less the RC-70s. The apparent need only surfaced reading this thread; I fully admit and assume it In Maslow's hierarchy of needs, were high up there working onself-esteem and self-actualization

I'm just curious to try full-range floorstanding speakers and currently have some cash on hand (it's been a while since I gave myself a nice present). Plus, I really think towers would be slightly safer for my 14-month daughter. Considering the furniture in the living room, floorstanding towers could not really be toppled sideways (they'd be stopped by other furniture), and front-wise I guess it's almost impossible. Whereas the CB-20 could really hurt little toes if they felt.

Considering this, I'm not sure I even want to look at other brands, altough if you have suggestions, and we don't risk being linched, I'll welcome them. I few pages back someone mentioned Infinity Primus towers and those are available at Best Buy Canada. But maybe I should just wait until a really good occasion presents itself. The real frustration is that they are much less frequent in Canada itself.

Hey USA, don't you need a 51th state?

This thread could make it very appealing for people to spend more money. I'm just glad that I had all but one of my Energy speakers bought before I joined in
I would buy used. I have seen some awesome older systems for great prices. You will end up coming out way ahead if you can find two towers and a centre. Just wait for an occasion like Boxing Day if nothing gets you excited before then.

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