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post #37981 of 52503 Old 03-14-2012, 08:37 PM
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Wow, awesome deal man! Would you mind sending me a PM of which location you bought from and possibly the managers name you spoke with incase my local FS needs further proof? When I click on your username you don't seem to have a pm option so thats why I'm asking here.

Ha, Ha, Ha.... I just checked your home theatre page. My best friend laughs at me, stating I want all the energies out there... looks like you might have me beat, or at least a tie.

Why do you need more. I think I have enough for an 11.2 system (5 RC70s, 3LCRs, 4 RCRs, 2 inwalls, 2 minis, and a take 5), plus another 5.1. BTW, I have 2 velodynes - also a steal.

What are your goals? Man, too much. We may want to start an energy therapy group.

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Those pictures where taken the weekend I moved all my speakers around started a rewire of all my equipment so it was chaotic.

However what do you mean by "re-arranging"?

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Awesome!! . Please tell us more!

- have you installed the new 6W speakers up front? Or just the 6C's?

- was the install easy?

- how big of an improvement versus the takes?

I got everything installed last night!! The 6C heights included...only had time for a single Audy measure and quick listen. Will get it dialed in this weekend and take pics.
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Alright gents stupid question but how much of a difference is the rc lcr compared to the v mini center? Id like a center that can dig to 80 at least . The v mini keeps getting 100hz by audyssey.

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

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Hey guys,I need some suggestions. I am currently using this setup and have been pleased with it.

Denon 1909 AVR
C300 Towers
C50 Surround
CC50 Center
Acoustic Audio Sub

I have just purchased a house and the towers will just take up to much space,so I need to replace them. Should I keep the other speakers and just replace the towers?If so what speakers?or get something like the Classic Take 5 that includes all new speakers? Suggestions are appreciated.Thanks

Here you go.....

Used - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Energy-C-100...item35ba40ebc7

New - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Energy-Speak...item27c49f59f5

Just remember that unless you have shelfs or wall mounts for the fronts, you will need speaker stands, which will take up more space than the towers.


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Alright gents stupid question but how much of a difference is the rc lcr compared to the v mini center? Id like a center that can dig to 80 at least . The v mini keeps getting 100hz by audyssey.

2 words for you..... DO IT!

What are your other speakers? I forget. If you have all RCs, definitely get the RC-LCR. If you have veritas, get the V5.2C. They are similarly priced now at Vanns.
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Alright gents stupid question but how much of a difference is the rc lcr compared to the v mini center? Id like a center that can dig to 80 at least . The v mini keeps getting 100hz by audyssey.

I have both speakers. The RC LCR crushes the V Mini C (and the RC Mini CC from which the V Mini C was cloned) in every way--lower extension, higher clarity. It's a superior speaker in every sense. It's confusing and strange that the RC LCR can be had for less than twice the price of the V Mini C; it's easily worth more than twice as much.

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Alright gents stupid question but how much of a difference is the rc lcr compared to the v mini center? Id like a center that can dig to 80 at least . The v mini keeps getting 100hz by audyssey.

I had the RC mini CC and I could never get it lower than 100hz. My RC10s come in at 60hz.

Recently purchased the RC LCR, and placed in the same place with 25 hours of break in and I got it down to 40hz on the first run of Audyssey. Needless to say I bumped it up to 80hz.

So to answer your question, yes it will go to 80hz and then some.
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Ordered!

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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Ordered!

Good decision. Just make sure you give it break in time before you develop your opinions. When I first got mine, I was a little disappointed because it only sounded slightly better than the rc-mini center. But since its broken in, its no comparison.

I recently went back to hearing the mini-cc and its not even in the same league.
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Where did you find 2 - RC-R for $400?? It had to be used or from the states but even Amazon is $400 for one???

Sorry I meant 4 - RC-R's. Im not a math genius but that's $100/piece???
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Oops didn't get waf. Got lectured

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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Oops didn't get waf. Got lectured

But still getting it, right????
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But still getting it, right????

Hell yea!

Expected arrival march 20th
Just gotta figure out how to raise the tv 2.5 inches

Probably going to just use a 2x4 and paint it black lol

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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Oops didn't get waf. Got lectured

I`ve said it before and I`ll say it a million more ... Its better to ask for forgiveness later than to ask for permission now!

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Hey guys,I need some suggestions. I am currently using this setup and have been pleased with it.

Denon 1909 AVR
C300 Towers
C50 Surround
CC50 Center
Acoustic Audio Sub

I have just purchased a house and the towers will just take up to much space,so I need to replace them. Should I keep the other speakers and just replace the towers?If so what speakers?or get something like the Classic Take 5 that includes all new speakers? Suggestions are appreciated.Thanks

well, the big questions are (1) are you happy with the sound of your C-series speakers and (2) what is your budget for upgrading?

I would definitely NOT downgrade to tiny sats like Take Classic unless you lower your expectations quite a bit. They cannot perform like full-sized speakers.

So, a few options for you:

1. if you like the C-series and just want to "downgrade" the towers, find a pair of C-100 or C-200 bookshelf speakers on the used market and call it a day.

2. if you want to upgrade, and can afford $550ish, get a pair of RC-10 and an RC-LCR center from Vann's, use the C-50's as surrounds, and sell the front 3 speakers you currently have.

3. if you want to go super low profile to keep the wife happy in the new house, you can get RC in-walls which are at a big discount right now. The RC6W would function great for your front 3 speakers, and only $99 shipped each: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-bWB2ggi...rgy-RC-6W.html

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Ha, Ha, Ha.... I just checked your home theatre page. My best friend laughs at me, stating I want all the energies out there... looks like you might have me beat, or at least a tie.

Why do you need more. I think I have enough for an 11.2 system (5 RC70s, 3LCRs, 4 RCRs, 2 inwalls, 2 minis, and a take 5), plus another 5.1. BTW, I have 2 velodynes - also a steal.

What are your goals? Man, too much. We may want to start an energy therapy group.

PF

I think we have a tie.

I don't really need more, nor do I have a goal but if I can get them at that price I cannot allow myself to let them slip away. I'm sure I could find a spot for them, maybe a bedroom system, or as batpig has suggested to me in the past, a bathroom system.


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well, the big questions are (1) are you happy with the sound of your C-series speakers and (2) what is your budget for upgrading?

I would definitely NOT downgrade to tiny sats like Take Classic unless you lower your expectations quite a bit. They cannot perform like full-sized speakers.

So, a few options for you:

1. if you like the C-series and just want to "downgrade" the towers, find a pair of C-100 or C-200 bookshelf speakers on the used market and call it a day.

2. if you want to upgrade, and can afford $550ish, get a pair of RC-10 and an RC-LCR center from Vann's, use the C-50's as surrounds, and sell the front 3 speakers you currently have.

3. if you want to go super low profile to keep the wife happy in the new house, you can get RC in-walls which are at a big discount right now. The RC6W would function great for your front 3 speakers, and only $99 shipped each: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-bWB2ggi...rgy-RC-6W.html

I am very happy with them. I'll look into the C100/C200,but I'm leaning towards the RC-10 and RC-LCR. since I'll end up selling the C300 and possibly the others,I'll just use that money then some to get the others.
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good choice the RC's are a nice step up from the C-series. If you like the C's you will LOVE the RC's, as they have a similar tonal balance but are much more refined and detailed, and the build quality is higher too. If you watch Vann's clearance center you can get even better deals on open box models from returns, they still will come with full warranty.


Note that the RC-LCR center is quite a bit bigger than your C-C50.

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Well I went to FS after work today but they would not sell the RC70 for that price. The buy one get one free they said was a special promo and only applied to the current models. I tried to argue but no luck. They do have 4 in stock and will sell them at $399ea, which IMO is still a good deal, but nothing I'm going to jump on. Makes me sad.


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good choice the RC's are a nice step up from the C-series. If you like the C's you will LOVE the RC's, as they have a similar tonal balance but are much more refined and detailed, and the build quality is higher too. If you watch Vann's clearance center you can get even better deals on open box models from returns, they still will come with full warranty.


Note that the RC-LCR center is quite a bit bigger than your C-C50.

I'll get the dimensions on the LCR,but the opening on the entertainment center where I have the center has a good height. It should be ok. Should I worry about the C50 doing the surround since I will be upgrading the fronts?
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I couldn't justify spending even $400 for a pair of RC-70s as I have no need for another one. However I bought mine on boxing day, then got a $50 refund in January when they lowered the price to 475/ea. That got marked as a new buy date so I was able to argue for $150 more (and a free sub) on Feb. 3. Now even if it was easy getting a 2-for-1 on the RC-70, I would not even be able to argue that I'm entitled to $400 more in refund since I'm way past 30 days.

Wait a minute. On the receipt the date appears as 03-02-12. Considering the confusion in date formats between US, Europe and Canada, I would perhaps be able to pass that as March 2

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Where did you find 2 - RC-R for $400?? It had to be used or from the states but even Amazon is $400 for one???

Sorry I meant 4 - RC-R's. Im not a math genius but that's $100/piece???

I would also like to know if this deal can be had


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Picked up a pair of Energy 2.1e's locally for $40. Testing them out in my office right now. They look like the Energy C-2 speakers.

These older speakers are so much better than the current CB-10, CB-20 speakers and the previous C-100s and C-200s.

I guess when Energy created the RC line they stepped up from the older Connoissuer speakers in fit and finish but the new C series speakers they introduced at the same time were a downgrade from the 2.1e, older even (C-2) and odd numbered (C-3, C-1) C-series speakers.

The more recent models use much smaller cabinets too.

I'm pretty happy, I got a great deal.

You really did get a stellar deal on those 2.1e's -- I consider myself having got a pretty decent deal purchasing them for ~$90 (I believe it was); they might be my favorite series of the Energy speakers I own, at least based on current amplification / performance ratio. Then again, I got the 5.1e's for $125, so that might be why I'm so 'proud' of them.

Enjoy -- they're great speakers!
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Where did you find 2 - RC-R for $400?? It had to be used or from the states but even Amazon is $400 for one???

Sorry I meant 4 - RC-R's. Im not a math genius but that's $100/piece???

When I bought the first 2 RCRs on sale, it was actually 1 on sale, but they thought it was for 2. I did not educate them on that one. Think it was 250.00 for 1, but again I got 2. Then 2 were used for 150.00. But with the 2used, I bought a new pair, cleaned up the used, and returned them for the refund. I don't feel so bad doing this as they were sold to me by a FS employee.

So yeah, 400.00 for 4, no lie.


BTW: The RCRs were bought about 8 months ago.

BTW, after the fact, I did tell the manager at FS of buying 2 for the price of 1. AFAI concerned, it is part of doing business. The RC-70s have been going for about 1400.00 a piece, and they have been selling them way above cost. As when I got my 2 RC70s for 400.00, he told me he was still making a profit of 50.00. So the math, tells us the profit for 1 RC70 has been at leat a grand.

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pinkfreud55 if you ever want to get rid of even 2 RC-R's you let me know.
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Well I went to FS after work today but they would not sell the RC70 for that price. The buy one get one free they said was a special promo and only applied to the current models. I tried to argue but no luck. They do have 4 in stock and will sell them at $399ea, which IMO is still a good deal, but nothing I'm going to jump on. Makes me sad.

Yeah, when I heard these rumours, I called stat! denied...

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I couldn't justify spending even $400 for a pair of RC-70s as I have no need for another one.

I could!!

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Music: Yamaha RX-V863 | 2 X Energy RC-70 | MA RXw12 Sub

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Has anyone ever used a pair of RC-LCRs for rear surrounds? Would there be any advantage vs a pair of the RC-10s? If they make good fronts I don't see why they wouldn't make good rears.
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Has anyone ever used a pair of RC-LCRs for rear surrounds? Would there be any advantage vs a pair of the RC-10s? If they make good fronts I don't see why they wouldn't make good rears.

Would there be an advantage? Sure, the RC-LCR is a superior speaker. Are you really going to notice enough of a difference to justify, in essence, spending double over a pair of RC-10s? I doubt it.... especially using them for the rear surround duty. I would use the extra money needed for a pair RC-LCRs instead for some acoustic panels/and or Bass traps for your room instead... Much more "bang for your buck" there...
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Has anyone ever used a pair of RC-LCRs for rear surrounds? Would there be any advantage vs a pair of the RC-10s? If they make good fronts I don't see why they wouldn't make good rears.

I'd agree with what deano said and would also add that for that price you'd be better off going with the RC-R or veritas surrounds than the LCR. IMO these are better than the LCR as a surround due to the fact that they are not rear ported so you can mount flush to the wall, bipole/dipole/monopole giving you really flexible surround options and will easily go down to 80hz which is all you really need out of surrounds. The LCR may have slightly more midrange clarity and go lower but I don't think either of these things are particularly important for surrounds and the LCR is likely only marginally better in these areas where the RCR or veritas surround advantages are very significant for surrounds. So if you already have the 10's I would just stick with them and look into room treatments or possibly a second sub to smooth out response but if you need surrounds and have the money the RCR or veritas surround would be a much better option for you than the LCR.
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More curious questions; right now I only have my HT system set up as 5.1. Here goes the questions:

1. If I was to set it up for 7.1 will it make a huge difference, I don't know how much 7.1 material is out there. The WAF would be very low adding more speakers to the living room at least in this house.

2. What are the smaller front speakers used for? I understand you've got the center and the two towers but what is the second set of speakers doing?

3. the Veritas Surround Speakers, I will seriously consider buying these if they come up on sale anytime in the next year. So are these as good or better than the RC-R surrounds?

Thanks for your time all.
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