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post #51961 of 52797 Old 06-04-2014, 08:11 PM
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mattdub1 ask a friend if you can test the speakers on his av reciever. sometimes we can get OC with all this lol. Probably is nothing to be worry.




Lol good pic..yes this is true I can definitely get OCD about this stuff. It just seems really strange to me that buzzing would be coming through the tweeters even when the avr is off. I tried revnants suggestion of leaving the avr unplugged overnight and the buzzing was still there this morning. Seems it only goes away if I disconnect the speaker wire. Could this be electrical interference coming from the TV or another component being plugged in? The cords sit right next to the avr/speaker wire. Is this bad for the tweeters to have this faint noise constantly running through them?

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PUSH IT!

So I gave it a lot of juice tonight and I had to get the SB12 to clipping level to get out of it what I thought was great bass.... The driver is going NUTS but the bass coming out of it just lacks feel of power I like. It's clearly a higher quality device than the PSW505, that is no question, the bass is very controlled, but it just lacks the PUNCH that I want... I have tried it in a bunch of different places and it's just not going to work I think... so I'll keep auditioning it until the PC12 shows but it's going back I am 99% sure. I think my space is just too big for a single sealed sub. I considered two SB12's but if one PC12 can do the job I would much rather roll with that config. Oh - and that large metal grill.. uh, wut? that thing is like a road kill defender.. lol.

PS: in other news my RC-70s are sounding SOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOD! wow.... just wow... once I get the right sub I will be in nirvana!
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So I gave it a lot of juice tonight and I had to get the SB12 to clipping level to get out of it what I thought was great bass.... The driver is going NUTS but the bass coming out of it just lacks feel of power I like. It's clearly a higher quality device than the PSW505, that is no question, the bass is very controlled, but it just lacks the PUNCH that I want... I have tried it in a bunch of different places and it's just not going to work I think... so I'll keep auditioning it until the PC12 shows but it's going back I am 99% sure. I think my space is just too big for a single sealed sub. I considered two SB12's but if one PC12 can do the job I would much rather roll with that config. Oh - and that large metal grill.. uh, wut? that thing is like a road kill defender.. lol.

PS: in other news my RC-70s are sounding SOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOD! wow.... just wow... once I get the right sub I will be in nirvana!

Your room is how big again?

I think duals would likely solve your problems. I've just got dual subwoofers, and the first quality that is directly slamming my face is output. Bass is clearly better since I've got 2 instead of one, but man..... I'm ashamed from the slam it did grant me. They aren't even calibrated correctly, and oh boy... Massive slap in the face.

Maybe it's upgrader's placebo, but I doubt it. Output is output, and if I,m reading correctly, it is indeed what you want/ need.

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Your room is how big again?

I think duals would likely solve your problems. I've just got dual subwoofers, and the first quality that is directly slamming my face is output. Bass is clearly better since I've got 2 instead of one, but man..... I'm ashamed from the slam it did grant me. They aren't even calibrated correctly, and oh boy... Massive slap in the face.

Maybe it's upgrader's placebo, but I doubt it. Output is output, and if I,m reading correctly, it is indeed what you want/ need.

it's 13x20 in the den, but there's open spaces on each side, very wide open spaces... one is a kitchen and one a hall to the living room. It's a very open floor plan. I think two would do it, but with the room config and wife approval factor I need 1 sub that will do it all... I am pretty sure the PC12 will do it... I am considering changing my order to the PC12+ (1049 in the outlet store) in the morning.

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I've just got dual subwoofers, and the first quality that is directly slamming my face is output. Bass is clearly better since I've got 2 instead of one, but man..... I'm ashamed from the slam it did grant me. They aren't even calibrated correctly, and oh boy... Massive slap in the face.
That's what I am missing that I think ported subs would provide. Maybe the DIY minimarty(s) with UXL-18 and iNuke 3000dsp someday. I think they would be around the $1000 price range.
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So I gave it a lot of juice tonight and I had to get the SB12 to clipping level to get out of it what I thought was great bass.... The driver is going NUTS but the bass coming out of it just lacks feel of power I like. It's clearly a higher quality device than the PSW505, that is no question, the bass is very controlled, but it just lacks the PUNCH that I want... I have tried it in a bunch of different places and it's just not going to work I think... so I'll keep auditioning it until the PC12 shows but it's going back I am 99% sure. I think my space is just too big for a single sealed sub. I considered two SB12's but if one PC12 can do the job I would much rather roll with that config. Oh - and that large metal grill.. uh, wut? that thing is like a road kill defender.. lol.

PS: in other news my RC-70s are sounding SOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOD! wow.... just wow... once I get the right sub I will be in nirvana!

I hate those metal grills. Good to know I'm not the only one lol.
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dual opposed 2 x12 each sealed subwoofers.... 2 x Reaction audio BPS212 turbo model.

Sorry for the ****** quality pics, will take better ones and use a camera instead of a crappy phone biggrin.gif

I've bought them soon after that GMash talked to me about them... It got my curiosity piqued from day one.

I was looking for 2 svs subs at first, something like the sb2000 , or the sb12nsd. I was looking for sealed designs at first. Main goal was to have good clean bass for music. The fact that the svs subs in the same price bracket had vinyl wrap was an argument in favor of reaction audio subs too.

Well, now, I can honestly say that I don't regret my choice at all. The finish is awesome, and I'm happy to have kept the money in america, and not having it spent in China. The cabinets are all handmade in USA, and the subs are assembled in Gulfport, Mississippi!

Sound speaking, I'm still shaken at how it changed my sound overall. The bass output of these is simply crazy! But what surprised me the most is how much it cleaned everything to the way up in all frequencies. I had a boomy Kilpsch sw110 , and got used to a "powerful" sound. But I've changed subs precisely because I felt that my sound was overpopulated with bass, and not "breathing"

Well, now, even if I'm not used to my new sound yet, it is astonishing how all the frequencies blended together, Everything is now more defined, to the point of making my RC-70 sounding even smoother. They were already smooth before, being easy to listen for hours... Now they feel,,, Duvety biggrin.gif

Will assuredly buy a Umik and maybe a mini dsp, to get everything working together even more seamslessly...Can't wait for the week-end to listen to A LOT of music biggrin.gif

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^ did you have them sent direct to your home or did you have them shipped to the border and then picked them up yourself?
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^ did you have them sent direct to your home or did you have them shipped to the border and then picked them up yourself?
Shipped directly to me! Customs and taxes : 114 $. Not that bad really, and happy of the outcome!

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In regard to your prior post...The ported/ sealed dilemma... I don't mind the lowest hz I maybe missing, the mid bass slam is so powerful that it more than compensates biggrin.gif

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In regard to your prior post...The ported/ sealed dilemma... I don't mind the lowest hz I maybe missing, the mid bass slam is so powerful that it more than compensates biggrin.gif



You have a nice setup ,I also prefer sealed sub I don't like port noise..


Also those acoustic panels are perfect for sound reflections and bass control.
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Shipped directly to me! Customs and taxes : 114 $. Not that bad really, and happy of the outcome!
For two subs??? That's very reasonable.

There is a subwoofer shootout thread somewhere on AVS where they concluded that it is very difficult/impossible to differentiate between sealed and ported subwoofers.
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For two subs??? That's very reasonable.

There is a subwoofer shootout thread somewhere on AVS where they concluded that it is very difficult/impossible to differentiate between sealed and ported subwoofers.

yup, for two! I was favorably surprised too. Yup, I tend to agree about the differences. The port chuffing related to ported designs only happens at very high volumes, and/or the result of a bad design.

But I,ve decided to try the sealed design because of its supposed benefit for music. While I honestly don't know if they are indeed better for music, I will likely repeat the sealed experience if I have the chance to.

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You have a nice setup ,I also prefer sealed sub I don't like the noise ports.


Also those acoustic panels perfect for sound reflections and bass control.

Thanks!

and yeah, the acoustic panels do make a difference. Especially for a small room like mine, which was a paradise ( or hell? ) for reflections! And I've really enjoyed making them DYI. Next step,
tri-corner DYI bass traps!! Might try it this weekend!

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I find myself listening to the strangest music now on these RC-70s... if it sounds good, I usually listen all the way through... stuff I wouldn't normally listen to... so weird... "I would walk 500 miles and I would walk 500 more...." AHHHH! wink.gif

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I find myself listening to the strangest music now on these RC-70s... if it sounds good, I usually listen all the way through... stuff I wouldn't normally listen to... so weird... "I would walk 500 miles and I would walk 500 more...." AHHHH! wink.gif
UGH your poor speakers....
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UGH your poor speakers....

Actually.. that song was recorded so well on the CD I have of the 90s hits... it sounds flat out amazing. lol

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I have never been a fan of electronic music, always listened to metal, punk, and classic rock, but after hearing Skrillex on my RC setup with dual Outlaws, I had a new found appreciation for the genre of dubstep. That being said, I would never listen to his music anywhere but my RC setup. biggrin.gif
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SEE??! it not just me.. wink.gif

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C'mon man.....everyone loves that song! Just not everyone is willing to admit it! biggrin.gif
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C'mon man.....everyone loves that song! Just not everyone is willing to admit it! biggrin.gif
Ya, almost as much as my other two favourite 90s songs - "mmmbop" and "i'm too sexy" rolleyes.gif

I was just rewatching nine inch nails - beside you in time on blu-ray yesterday. Definitely one to buy if you like their music.
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No way.....500 miles is on a completely different level that mmm bop or i'm too sexy.

And personally, I think NIN was appropriately named, because it sounds like someone with nine inch long nails scratching on a chalkboard biggrin.gif
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Live 'lightning crashes'... that's a decent 90s tune.
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Live 'lightning crashes'... that's a decent 90s tune.

i saw Ed Kowalczyk (singer from Live) on the Rockboat this past February. He was good, but i liked some of the less known bands better. Lightning crashes is a great song though.
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Live was a good band. I remember buying their "throwing copper" album in grade 8 and liked every song on that disc. It's too bad they didn't last longer than they did, but then there are a lot of bands that I could say that about.

For some stupid reason, I have mmmbop stuck in my head now. Thanks whomever it was that brought them up. tongue.gif
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I demo-ed speakers with  Dire Straits: On Every Street   .. particularly  " You and Your Friends"  and with the RC70's it sounds just amazing. The Brothers in Arms CD is good as well to hear what a speaker can do.

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Did anyone else notice that the RC-50s (or whatever RC series, really) sound A LOT better with some real power? I have a Denon 1910. All this time, I thought my room was just terrible. I couldn't get them to sound good no matter what I tried (acoustic panels, switching the room around, etc.). So, today, I hooked them up to an old Optimus STAV-3000 receiver from the 1990s that puts out min RMS of 100wpc, both channels driven. Exact same source, wires, etc. WOW! What a difference. I can crank them up, way louder than I can even handle, with no distortion, whatsoever.

Is it just me, or are Denon's receivers just really underrated? Should I even bother trying to buy a new receiver, or just buy an amp for the front 3 (RC-50s and RC-LCR)?

BTW, I'm talking strictly 2-channel music listening, in the tests I did.

Anyone else have a similar experience?
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this is why I have 325w rms at 8ohms going into my RC-70s... my amps are just cruising non stressed and the sound is unreal. I know people say passive bi-amping is a lot of hooey also, but I beg to differ. I am not saying everyone should run out and do it, but it does make a difference. The amps that run the highs are not stressed at all and the sound reflects it.

As for more power, most speakers are damaged from being under driven not over driven.. the RC series is very efficient - that is for sure - but if you put more and better upstream from them you will hear the difference

IMHO as always..

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this is why I have 325w rms at 8ohms going into my RC-70s... my amps are just cruising non stressed and the sound is unreal. I know people say passive bi-amping is a lot of hooey also, but I beg to differ. I am not saying everyone should run out and do it, but it does make a difference. The amps that run the highs are not stressed at all and the sound reflects it.

As for more power, most speakers are damaged from being under driven not over driven.. the RC series is very efficient - that is for sure - but if you put more and better upstream from them you will hear the difference

IMHO as always..

edit: lol I need my glasses to type on my laptop now.. sigh. frown.gifredface.gif

Of course, you're also "passively bi-amping" with REAL amps, not some crappy receiver that barely does rated power with one channel driven, let alone the 4 it would use to bi-amp haha biggrin.gif
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Of course, you're also "passively bi-amping" with REAL amps, not some crappy receiver that barely does rated power with one channel driven, let alone the 4 it would use to bi-amp haha biggrin.gif

haha... yeah true I went big... but I didn't spend too much which was great. my speakers were the most expensive part of the puzzle.

prepro 189
ma-700 250 each
ma-6100 150 each
rc-70 299 each
sony cd player 199

now the sub search will tip the scales a bit at 600+ but now that I have a ferrari for the rest of the system I want to compliment it with the right bass. smile.gif

The sound is not louder either - it's hard to describe... it's more precise, more immersing but without any fatigue... I can turn it way up and I have no idea how loud it really is until my wife comes home and tries to talk to me. lol "WHAT???"

edit: my poor eyes can't see this small font.. sigh well, as long as my ears stay fresh that's what I care about more haha
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