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post #52021 of 52186 Old 06-21-2014, 07:33 PM
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my search for a sub has finally ended... the SVS PB-1000 is exactly what I was looking for... er, listening for? I am probably going to end up with a pair to balance the left and right sides out, but a single is very impressive.. such a big tight sound for a 10". crazy good. Time to crank it up!

Added pic. Wow day two this lil 10 slams! So impressed!!

edit2: cranking it today.. I think I achieved some kind of sonic enlightenment.. this system sounds unreal now.
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Aloha,
Anyone looking to part with their RC-R's?
I have 2 pairs of RC-R. One pair was purchased from a friend a few years used only a few times before boxed away, and the other pair is brand new never used only tested once to make sure all was right. What would be your best offer?
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F.Y.I. I would highly recommend negotiating via PM, rather than on the thread itself....
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F.Y.I. I would highly recommend negotiating via PM, rather than on the thread itself....
It's an open offer to everyone, whomever is looking for a pair of RC-R
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It's an open offer to everyone, whomever is looking for a pair of RC-R
Just shoot me a private message with your best offer
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Or you can post it in the classified section.

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They are in the classified section now
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Oh wow.. that's pretty awesome but if you're recommending that along side of the PSW505, the only thing is I would still hear the non articulate bass sounds that I am trying to replace... I cross my RC-70s off at 60hz also and they do a nice job with those MA-700s driving the two bass drivers and I don't think they're even 1/2 way broken in yet.. maybe 1/2 way.. I need to start cranking the volume up more but the wife has been around a lot lol. sigh.

So SVS was super cool and I was able to return the two I tried and I have a PB-1000 on the way.. I think the 10" driver will deliver the punch I am looking for and that thing also goes down to 19hz so I'll get some low bass too... my eventual goal I think will be dual PB-1000s (one on either side of the mains). I think that will kick some serious bew-tay.
You mentioned your crossing your RC-70's at 60hz are you using a sub as well and do you have the RC-70's set at large or small? Is this for a 2 channel setup?
I am using an older Yamaha R X -Z9 for a 2 channel setup with RC-70's and 2 S12.3 subs. I was running the RC-70's set to large with a crossover at 60hz, I wanted to experiment and set the RC-70's to small and crossover at 80hz but also remembered that sometimes I like to listen to Pure Direct and with that setting the subs do not play. Stupid question here if I run the RC-70's at small and 80hz for 2 channle when I switch to Pure Direct will RC-70's automatically switch to run at large since there is no sub being played? Whats hard about experimenting with the RX-Z9 is that the dam thing weighs in around 70 pounds and I have to unhook everything and carry it over to where my display is for my home theatre so I can hook it up to my display to see what changes I want to make. I havent figured out how to get all that info to view on the gui on the receiver, not even sure if thats possible with this receiver.
Also question if running the RC-70's and set to 60 hz should I set the RC-70's to large?

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Hi - yeah, I cross them at 60hz and I run them "small" with my prepro otherwise I would get no bass from the sub channel. It's a 2.1 music only system, yes. If the prepro would let me run the RC-70s full range I would do that and cross the sub at 80 or 60 maybe... but one of the quirks of the Outlaw 950 is that under digital bass management there are two options,

small = mains get everything above the xover point and sub gets the rest
large = mains get everything and sub gets nothing

60hz sounded like the best spot to me... but if I could run my RC-70s large and still have sub output I would.

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You mentioned your crossing your RC-70's at 60hz are you using a sub as well and do you have the RC-70's set at large or small? Is this for a 2 channel setup?
I am using an older Yamaha R X -Z9 for a 2 channel setup with RC-70's and 2 S12.3 subs. I was running the RC-70's set to large with a crossover at 60hz, I wanted to experiment and set the RC-70's to small and crossover at 80hz but also remembered that sometimes I like to listen to Pure Direct and with that setting the subs do not play. Stupid question here if I run the RC-70's at small and 80hz for 2 channle when I switch to Pure Direct will RC-70's automatically switch to run at large since there is no sub being played? Whats hard about experimenting with the RX-Z9 is that the dam thing weighs in around 70 pounds and I have to unhook everything and carry it over to where my display is for my home theatre so I can hook it up to my display to see what changes I want to make. I havent figured out how to get all that info to view on the gui on the receiver, not even sure if thats possible with this receiver.
Also question if running the RC-70's and set to 60 hz should I set the RC-70's to large?

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Hi - yeah, I cross them at 60hz and I run them "small" with my prepro otherwise I would get no bass from the sub channel. It's a 2.1 music only system, yes. If the prepro would let me run the RC-70s full range I would do that and cross the sub at 80 or 60 maybe... but one of the quirks of the Outlaw 950 is that under digital bass management there are two options,

small = mains get everything above the xover point and sub gets the rest
large = mains get everything and sub gets nothing

60hz sounded like the best spot to me... but if I could run my RC-70s large and still have sub output I would.
Thanks for the info. I have been running large and 60hz and was happy with that, I just got this idea I would try what most people here recommend and thats running towers small and a crossover at 80hz. Supposed to be less taxing on the reciever running small.

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I am using an older Yamaha R X -Z9 for a 2 channel setup with RC-70's and 2 S12.3 subs. I was running the RC-70's set to large with a crossover at 60hz, I wanted to experiment and set the RC-70's to small and crossover at 80hz but also remembered that sometimes I like to listen to Pure Direct and with that setting the subs do not play. Stupid question here if I run the RC-70's at small and 80hz for 2 channle when I switch to Pure Direct will RC-70's automatically switch to run at large since there is no sub being played?
Typically, PURE DIRECT mode will bypass ALL processing including bass management, so if the subs do not play you can be confident no low-pass filter is being applied to the main speakers.


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Whats hard about experimenting with the RX-Z9 is that the dam thing weighs in around 70 pounds and I have to unhook everything and carry it over to where my display is for my home theatre so I can hook it up to my display to see what changes I want to make. I havent figured out how to get all that info to view on the gui on the receiver, not even sure if thats possible with this receiver.
Why not get an inexpensive, small LCD display (even an old computer monitor would probably do) and just have it over there to use just for the GUI? Unhooking it to see settings seems.... um... inefficient


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If you want to use bass management, use bass management. If you want them to cross-over to the sub them "small" is the correct setting, regardless of what frequency you are doing it.

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that is true, but also not all subs can produce good mid bass above 60ish so letting your mains handle that might sound better over all.. But you are right again that letting the sub handle everything below the xover point will free up the amp a little more and potentially reduce distortion in your sound when pushing it hard... dep on the amp and speakers to what degree...

basically, I am a believer in trying different ways of running your gear and then using what sounds best to you. If you have great subs you might get some improvement by letting them handle all of the low end frequencies.. but you might hear some gaps also... depends on the setup.. just try things and stick to what your ears tell you is best.

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Thanks for the info. I have been running large and 60hz and was happy with that, I just got this idea I would try what most people here recommend and thats running towers small and a crossover at 80hz. Supposed to be less taxing on the reciever running small.

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Thanks batpig and r3v. I may have mentioned I have never used a small setting on any speakers before. Should I be getting just as much movement and sound out of the 2 bass drivers when setting my speakers to small and a crossover of 80hz as I get when I have the speakers set to large with a crossover of 60hz? The 2 bass drivers seem just as loud and the movement out of those seems the pretty heavy. I actually really thought I wouldnt get much sound or movement from those set as small and the crossover at 80hz. Am I missing something?

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Well, a couple of points:

1) if speakers are set to "large" then they are getting a full range signal. That's what the "large" setting means. Most receivers don't even let you set a crossover if the fronts are set to large. I believe your Yamaha only has a single global crossover for all speakers, so that 60Hz setting is probably not even doing anything at all when set to "large" (except possibly governing the top end of the "double bass" sent to the subwoofer if double bass is enabled).

2) it's always important to remember that a crossover is a sloped filter, not a brick wall. The RC-70 is already naturally rolling off below 80-100Hz anyway, so all you are doing is slightly changing the slope of that roll-off. A typical hi-pass filter (the side of the crossover applied to the speaker) is 2nd order, or 12dB/octave. So if you set an 80Hz crossover, the signal is filtered to be down 12dB at 40Hz. It may only be down a few dB at 60Hz, so it is still putting out a lot of bass output even with an 80Hz crossover. And, of course, it is still reproducing all the bass above 80Hz. So it's not like the woofers are relieved of all duties with an 80Hz crossover.

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Well, a couple of points:

1) if speakers are set to "large" then they are getting a full range signal. That's what the "large" setting means. Most receivers don't even let you set a crossover if the fronts are set to large. I believe your Yamaha only has a single global crossover for all speakers, so that 60Hz setting is probably not even doing anything at all when set to "large" (except possibly governing the top end of the "double bass" sent to the subwoofer if double bass is enabled).

True The Yamaha Im using is global, so if I set them to 60 or whatever all the speakers are set at that hz. Question though this Yamaha has 2 inputs for subs and I can set them to stereo, mono, or front and back. Whats your thoughts on a good setting for running dual subs. My placement does not allow for one sub at each end of the room.

2) it's always important to remember that a crossover is a sloped filter, not a brick wall. The RC-70 is already naturally rolling off below 80-100Hz anyway, so all you are doing is slightly changing the slope of that roll-off. A typical hi-pass filter (the side of the crossover applied to the speaker) is 2nd order, or 12dB/octave. So if you set an 80Hz crossover, the signal is filtered to be down 12dB at 40Hz. It may only be down a few dB at 60Hz, so it is still putting out a lot of bass output even with an 80Hz crossover. And, of course, it is still reproducing all the bass above 80Hz. So it's not like the woofers are relieved of all duties with an 80Hz crossover.
Good to know, My ignorance in how my gear works lead me to believe the 2 bass drivers in the RC-70's wouldnt produce as much sound and movement with a setting of 80hz and set to small. I have a bunch of nice audio gear but Im really a video guy. With that said I like my music and I like it load.

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Dam I cant even post my questions correctly with this new format. batpig look for my question after your quote above.

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Good to know, My ignorance in how my gear works lead me to believe the 2 bass drivers in the RC-70's wouldnt produce as much sound and movement with a setting of 80hz and set to small. I have a bunch of nice audio gear but Im really a video guy. With that said I like my music and I like it load.
If you have the RC-70's, the crossover point between the two 6.5" woofers and the midrange 5.5" is 600hz. So even if you cross your sub at 60 or 80 hz, the 6.5" woofers are still covering the range up to 600hz. You're right that the woofers "wouldnt produce as much sound and movement" when set to small, but with them set to large you are having the speakers and subwoofer both cover below the crossover point, and likely getting a little hump in that frequency range.
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Thanks for the input guys.

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They're baaaaack! Fry's have the RC-70 back on sale for $299 each but in store only.
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Hi - yeah, I cross them at 60hz and I run them "small"
I run mine large with a 12" Monitor Audio sealed sub.

Why? I live in a split entry with an open concept living room/dining room area (an entrance).
With more sources for bass, it evens the response out like having more "subwoofers", IMO. Obviously, the 70's can only play so low, but most music doesn't go below their capability anyway.
It is a 2.1 music setup.
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edit2: cranking it today.. I think I achieved some kind of sonic enlightenment.. this system sounds unreal now.
What kind of floor do you have there?

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What kind of floor do you have there?
laminate with a moisture barrier under it.. it's a PITA to keep clean with two atomic furr-balls running around ... I have to do a pass with the giant swiffer at least once a day and we have a Neato we run 3 times a week also.


So that Fry's deal.... people who haven't taken advantage should... my god these speakers are a steal at 299 each.

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I run mine large with a 12" Monitor Audio sealed sub.

Why? I live in a split entry with an open concept living room/dining room area (an entrance).
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yeah - I would run mine large but the bass management on my prepro isn't the best so I have to use small to get the sub channel to be live... eventually I will get another prepro but this one, despite some of it's quirks, sounds flat out amazing. I got it for 189 shipped from Outlaw so it was quite a bargain.. I think they retailed for just under 1000 new in 2002. It's a perfect unit to get my feet wet in the world of preamps and dedicated amps on the cheap.

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I am loosing my mind I think... I can't get any of the SVS subs I have tried to sound the way I like... my mains sound really good but just need that low end punch in the chest I love when I crank it.. the SB12 (sealed) was the closest in some situations and the PC12 (cylinder) comes through in other situations.. but the damn polk works in both, goes low, has punch and has a nice small footprint. I know these other subs are higher end equipment but maybe it's the room harmonics... I dunno. Maybe what I need is a ported front firing sub, but the SVS options in this arena are HUGE and I have kind of a small spot for the sub. The PC12 sounded best corner loaded but that made for some awkward placement of chairs in the room.. the polk sounds great right in the spot I have carved out for a sub... gah!

well... I need to take a break from moving subs all over and just chill for a bit... maybe try again next week or something.
Hi,

I think I'm quite late to this conversation...and I "think" you already found a combination that worked for you -- but is it 'bass feeling' that you weren't quite getting / feeling?
I've never used one, but a buttkicker might be the solution that works great for you. Downside is I think you have to have particular furniture to put them with...but people do speak highly of them. I have never felt / used one myself.

With my own experiences, I didn't feel I was getting the bass I wanted, but thought that was as good as it would get. Then having a second sub (with the two calibrated) smoothed out the curve and I've been extremely happy since. I know you said your Outlaw doesn't have calibration, but I am sure there are other solutions that might get you there as well.

Batpig pointed out (and I think it was true) that when I had my one sub, I had my receiver set (for 2ch listening) to have the L/R outputting full-range, along with the bass from the sub. Most people view that as a 'double-bass' and somewhat of a fallacy in making things sound better...and actually a problem, but batpig mentioned that it may have filled in some of the range where the low freq waves were canceling each other out.
Funny to think of bass waves visually, but it made sense on a graph...and it did sound better to me...so that might help you out a bit too, in potentially tweaking your crossover settings & any optional settings your receiver offers in that arena.
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Awesome Hank! Just awesome. I'm jealous. Although I'm really happy with my V2.3, V2.0C, V2.0R, twin S10.3 system. I was listening to Ormandy conducting Tchaikovsky's 7th today through my new Parasound Zphono pre-amp. Glorious in 5 channel stereo! It's like it was written to show off what a great orchestra AND a great system can sound like. Then I listened to some old AC/DC. I really am happy with the synergy of my system now.

I will do my best to avoid reading your review of your new speakers.

I know I will anyway.

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I currently have 11 RC speakers. Four RC 70s, a RC LCR, a pair of RC 10s, and two pairs of the RC-Rs. Mt concern with atoms was that in ceiling speakers seem to be best with that system. Will my front heights even work with that system or is it better to try and find an in ceiling speaker like the Energy RC-8C so that the system stays timbre matched. The problem is that I can only find the energy EAS-8C. Do I sell my RCR and use my RC10s as rear surrounds or do I sell my RC 10s and just put my RCRs in monopole mode? What do you think would be best for in ceilings with my RC line Def tech UIW RSS II, UIW RCS III, or Energy EAS-8C?
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Awesome Hank! Just awesome. I'm jealous. Although I'm really happy with my V2.3, V2.0C, V2.0R, twin S10.3 system. I was listening to Ormandy conducting Tchaikovsky's 7th today through my new Parasound Zphono pre-amp. Glorious in 5 channel stereo! It's like it was written to show off what a great orchestra AND a great system can sound like. Then I listened to some old AC/DC. I really am happy with the synergy of my system now.

I will do my best to avoid reading your review of your new speakers.

I know I will anyway.
You definitely get it and live it, Fears4Ears. Music can be a hair tingling experience on your neck and arms with an exciting amount of stomach butterflies, when things are done right. Some formats deliver the experience better than others.
These titan speakers are currently split up for now, but I will have them altogether in a dream set up in the future. I am still on the prowl for 2.8s.
Here are some pics of the Energy titans from old times and new.
What TT are you using with your Zphono?
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You definitely get it and live it, Fears4Ears. Music can be a hair tingling experience on your neck and arms with an exciting amount of stomach butterflies, when things are done right. Some formats deliver the experience better than others.
These titan speakers are currently split up for now, but I will have them altogether in a dream set up in the future. I am still on the prowl for 2.8s.
Here are some pics of the Energy titans from old times and new.
What TT are you using with your Zphono?
Nice collections! Did you opt for a newer turntable or did you go vintage? I really pity those that gave up on vinyl because of all the crap systems and poor pressings they've been selling. Also, the current state of CD production just doesn't compare with the dynamics of good old (good ol') vinyl.

I happened upon a Sanyo TP-825D turntable in an antique store with a Shure M91-ED cartridge. After googling around a bit, I found a lot of people that raved about this very under-the-radar turntable, especially when combined with this cartridge, so I went back and bought it. It's hard to beat the old audio stuff from the 70's. Especially since most of my recordings are from the 60's-70's. Classical and jazz really shine on the old Veritas speakers. Lotsa sparkle and air.

A lot of the older rock stuff and 45's I listen to through a Garrard SL-55 changer with a Shure M44 cartridge I paid $22 for in a thrift store and drive that with an old $75 15 WPC Sansui AU-101 amp in to RC70 towers. Great warmth and punch.

Again, it's the synergy you look for between the formats and the equipment. My SACD's and DVD- Audios go through the Oppo and Denon 3808 for 5.2 with the old Veritas speakers.

I'm happy where I am now. Especially after hearing the triangles and piccolo during the Tchaikovsky. The Zphono pre-amp was the last piece of the puzzle. If I find anything lacking from now on, I can just assume it's the recording and not my equipment. I can finally just kick back and enjoy those tingly sensations!

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Hello, i have a 5.2 setup with Emotiva UMC 200 and XPA 5 with Enery RC50 fronts, Energy RC LCR center and the smaller RC10 as backspeakers. My problem is this, i have now had 2 energy RC LCR centers and both of them are blown :-( dont know why but i think its the mid range that are broken :-( I love wathing movies with a really high volume maybe that is the problem. My question to you guys is this, what kind of center can i buy that is a perfect match for my setup? that i can play really loud with? anyone who knows? i have thought about RC-62 II Center Speaker or RC-64 II Center Speaker but i dont know if it will be an good option.....
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