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post #52171 of 52199 Old 07-17-2014, 08:25 PM
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I think it would be hard to find a better match for that setup, considering the need for something relatively small, easily ceiling-mounted and a good tonal match for the other speakers. Energy speakers in general are designed based on NRC principles derived from the research of Toole and others, and one of the three core principles is wide dispersion.

The other option could be to stay on the lookout for in-ceiling RC speakers; there was a model (RC-6Cst) which had dual tweeters that could be aimed separately to increase coverage. But I bet the RC/V-Mini's will work fine.
I have an all RC setup, 4 RC70s, RC-LCR, two pairs of RC-Rs. I was thinking of the Def Tech UIW RCS IIs. I was told they would be a good tonal match and they would work well for atmos ceiling speakers. What are your thoughts. I would cost me $1200 for two pairs. I was looking for the RC-8C but have not been able to find one pair let alone two.
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So I'll say that I've been very pleased with my setup lately, and unless a killer deal for some 2.3i's in the cherry-veneer finish pop up somewhere, I think I'm likely set with all the speakers I currently have in my setup.
(I say the 2.3i's because of them being front ported, I would enjoy being able to put them closer to the wall...and I do love the cherry finish look!)

Anyway, the only thought I've been entertaining is either wides or heights (in the case of heights, either of DSX or PLII variety)...and what speaker might blend well in that scenario. Would some rc-micros be too small to really match the rest of the setup, or just for the 'expansion' that DSX would be doing would they be perfectly adequate? There's also v-mini's, but those look like they are pricey.
If my Fry's has a pair of RC-10's at that killer price people are mentioning -- and if they would be a good match -- I could perhaps pick up those, as from my understanding they can be wall mounted (if I did heights).
Lastly, if the only real speaker that would match in the setup is other vintage veritas, I could be on the lookout for some Veritas 2.1's, perhaps? I had an interest in that pair up in LA for that exact reason, but that didn't go through.

I've been reading up on DSX and PLII options. Seems some people love them, and some people found them to be a waste & wish they hadn't bothered. Then again, a lot of people kind of say that about surround back speakers as well, and I love mine; even when derived via PLII, I find it them to add quite a bit of immersion...so would love to give heights or wides a try.

Haha, well being fully honest...I'd actually love to go full 11.2 and max out my receiver's capabilities with wides AND heights...but that would require an external amp for two channels. Not totally against that, but then I'd be veering into pretty expensive territory I'd imagine...

Any thoughts are very welcomed and appreciated.
And if I'm going bonkers and should stop...do let me know, too...

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Honestly, if it were me and I was being forward looking, I'd be preparing for an Atmos setup if at all possible. A year or more ago I would have been gung-ho about pushing out with DSX, but it seems inevitable that PLIIz, DSX and other expansion matrix will soon be somewhat obsoleted by object audio.

That said, if your local Frys has them in stock grabbing a pair of RC-10s for under $150 with tax seems like a no brainer. They will be a "close enough" match for wide or height use if you want to play around with DSX or PLIIz while observing the shifting landscape. Worst case you can sell them for 100 bucks in a couple of years and look at it as a $50 rental that let you explore "beyond 7.1" for the interim. And maybe by that point the next gen of Atmos processors will support a 9.2.4 layout with 13 channels and you can keep the wides

But back to Atmos, if you can accommodate in ceiling speakers, I would just be keeping an eye on eBay for veritas in-wall/ceiling speakers which do come up now and then.

Aaaaand... Speak of the devil, I just checked, and there's a seller in LA selling five veritas in-walls on eBay. Two V2.1 ( two way in wall) and three V2.2 (three way with the CSM). No reserve. Something to consider. Depending on the room layout and your hole chopping capabilities you could even use those as stealth wides or heights.
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And since I'm cruelly spending other people's hypothetical money, I will note that there's a pair of v2.3i (gloss black though) for $750 in Chino: http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/ele/4540618000.html

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I have an all RC setup, 4 RC70s, RC-LCR, two pairs of RC-Rs. I was thinking of the Def Tech UIW RCS IIs. I was told they would be a good tonal match and they would work well for atmos ceiling speakers. What are your thoughts. I would cost me $1200 for two pairs. I was looking for the RC-8C but have not been able to find one pair let alone two.
I'm operating heavily in speculation land having never heard them, but I'm a little concerned reading their description about them being designed to sound like they are in front of you and not above you. With the opposing facing drivers and crazy dispersion design I wonder if they will be counterproductive to the desired Atmos effect.

Also in general I'm not sure Def Tech is a great tonal match for Energy. Obviously Energy in ceilings at the RC-or-better quality level are rarer but I'd probably look to brands originating from the NRC clan with similar espoused design principles like PSB or Axiom, both of whom offer in-wall/ceiling models. My gut is they would be a better tonal march to Energy.

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I'm operating heavily in speculation land having never heard them, but I'm a little concerned reading their description about them being designed to sound like they are in front of you and not above you. With the opposing facing drivers and crazy dispersion design I wonder if they will be counterproductive to the desired Atmos effect.

Also in general I'm not sure Def Tech is a great tonal match for Energy. Obviously Energy in ceilings at the RC-or-better quality level are rarer but I'd probably look to brands originating from the NRC clan with similar espoused design principles like PSB or Axiom, both of whom offer in-wall/ceiling models. My gut is they would be a better tonal march to Energy.
How about the Polk rc 80i?
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...I'd be preparing for an Atmos setup if at all possible...it seems inevitable that PLIIz, DSX and other expansion matrix will soon be somewhat obsoleted by object audio.

That said...RC-10s for under $150 with tax seems like a no brainer.

But back to Atmos, if you can accommodate in ceiling speakers, I would just be keeping an eye on eBay for veritas in-wall/ceiling speakers which do come up now and then.
Depending on the room layout and your hole chopping capabilities you could even use those as stealth wides or heights.
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And since I'm cruelly spending other people's hypothetical money, I will note that there's a pair of v2.3i (gloss black though) for $750 in Chino: http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/ele/4540618000.html
Glad I'm not bonkers...yet.
Atmos does sound promising. It will be interesting to see how its adoption comes along. Most blu-rays seem to have DTS-HD instead of Dolby...though of course that could change like it did with DVD to BD. I also slightly shudder at the thought of buying another receiver after having plopped down (for me) a small fortune on my 4311. Most every other piece of gear I've bought used.

I suppose mounting RC-10s on-ceiling [with brackets] would be ridiculous? My ceiling IS my roof (no attic), so unfortunately I can't go cutting into it in that regard.
I do, however, like your idea of "stealth" height & wides with those in-walls.
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I suspect the RC-10 for $129. was an error...........they are $429. now!


If I was in the US and was faced with this I would take four pairs at $129............hopefully there is a chance in the future.
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^^^ ^^^
It wasn't an error, it was a 1 day clearance sale. Luckily I got to take advantage of it. Nobody buys those at $429/pr. Frys put them on sale for $199/pr occasionally.

I remember about $10 years ago Fry's had Polk Lsi speakers for $99 each. I couldn't believe it.

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^^^ ^^^
It wasn't an error, it was a 1 day clearance sale. Luckily I got to take advantage of it. Nobody buys those at $429/pr. Frys put them on sale for $199/pr occasionally.

I remember about $10 years ago Fry's had Polk Lsi speakers for $99 each. I couldn't believe it.
one day clearance sale?

Ok so now it likely means that almost all of the remaining available new stock has been depleted... Now watch the used stock prices soar

Now, I do hope they fall on a batch of veritases ( the newer ones ). I've missed futureshop's deal at 1000$ a pair of v6.3, and I'm whipping mysef ever since...

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one day clearance sale?

Ok so now it likely means that almost all of the remaining available new stock has been depleted... Now watch the used stock prices soar

Now, I do hope they fall on a batch of veritases ( the newer ones ). I've missed futureshop's deal at 1000$ a pair of v6.3, and I'm whipping mysef ever since...
You're in Canada so who knows? It could happen. The production run of new Veritas was much shorter than RC speakers though. Maybe youll get lucky and find someone selling some Veritas used.
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Sorry guys. Didn't think of that.
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Anybody have an idea where I might be able to find a pair of V5.1s in rosewood or a pair of Veritas V-S or RC-R?

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Anybody have an idea where I might be able to find a pair of V5.1s in rosewood or a pair of Veritas V-S or RC-R?

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Are you in Canada?
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Are you in Canada?
I'm not. Washington State. What are you selling and how much is shipping from CA?

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RC-LCR $249.99 shipped. I wouldn't sit on the fence long if you want one.

RC-LCR at frys.com
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Hi everyone, new to forums and "higher" end audio so please be gentle.
Current setup is 2x rc-10 and 1x rc lcr with denon avr-x2000 in basement 16x12x7 listening area with laminate flooring, 50/50 music/movie.

So this has probably been addressed in some way before, but how would rc-lcr compare to rc-70s as fronts if I had say an svs pub-1000 (which I don't have yet)? I am mainly concerned about the midrange as sub should cover lows adequately. I would think the rc lcr would do better since it seems more designed for the mids. Am I right to assume the rc70 mid to highs sound closer to an rc-10 since it looks basically like an rc-10 plus 2 lower woofers? I know some have had good impression of a 3x rc lcr front stage.

Asking because the sale price is so close, $299 vs $249 on recent frys sales. I lost out on the rc-70 sale because all they had was one speaker to ship(live in northeast), so ordered 2 rc-lcr instead. However I called energy directly and looks like they are still actively producing the limited rc line without any near future plans for discontinuing. This means there's good chance the rc70s will be back on sale again at $299 since in past year they have had sales almost every other month.
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Am I right to assume the rc70 mid to highs sound closer to an rc-10 since it looks basically like an rc-10 plus 2 lower woofers? I know some have had good impression of a 3x rc lcr front stage.
The RC-70 actually has two woofers, 1 midrange and 1 tweeter. The 5.5" driver in the RC-70 is designed to play between 600hz - 2.4Mhz whereas in the RC-10 it is designed to play from 55hz - 2.4mhz. So the midrange is clearer in the RC-70 and it sounds better overall.

3 RC LCR's would be nice if you have a good subwoofer. Plus its a better timbre match than 2 RC-70's and a LCR.

Now if you plan to do a lot of two channel music w/o a sub I'd say go for the RC-70's.

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Is the 600 to 2.5 kHz specification based on the crossover points? Doesn't the LCR have the same crossover points as the RC-70? Plus it has 2 5.5" drivers and the 2" midranges. Basically has anyone done a critical comparison between RC-70 and LCR in terms of midrange performance? If I get an SVS PB-1000 I'd probably always want to use it even with music, is that less desirable for music vs RC-70s and no sub? Thanks.
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If I get an SVS PB-1000 I'd probably always want to use it even with music, is that less desirable for music vs RC-70s and no sub? Thanks.
It's personal preference and dependent on the content/genre of music.

If you were to go with 3 RC-LCR now and then buy a pair of RC-70s later when/if they go on sale, you should have no problem re-selling either for very near what you paid should you choose to do so (or possibly go with a 7 channel setup?). I think you would be very happy with either, buy my concern with the RC-LCRs as fronts, assuming you will be using them vertically would be having them topple over if you have any kids or pets in house.

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Thanks for the advice. I guess I will stick with the rc-lcr as fronts for now since I ordered them and they have been shipped already and appear to be a good value no matter what. Had I known how good they were I would have bought 3 of them at $229 during the april-may sale Fry's had. The LCRs are a noticeable step up from RC-10s even to my novice ears, so at least there will be instant gratification. I just wanted to know how much of a step up or even down the RC-70s were compared to the LCRs in terms of midrange. Seeing as I am pretty set on eventually getting an SVS PB-1000, I'd hate to spend the extra money on the low end without necessarily better mid-high range and have that overlapped with the sub anyway thus defeating the purpose, if that makes any sense. Its not as if I need a really 'big' sound as my listening area is fairly small. On the other hand if the RC-70s are truly a step up from the LCRs, its a hassle to buy and resell the LCRs just to eventually upgrade anyway.

In regards to the LCRs toppling over - has anyone used the quake hold putty from amazon to hold down speakers? I have read that some use the blue tack/tak to good effect. This other putty is made specifically for holding down objects in case of quakes - I use it to hold down items on shelves and it is very strong. My only concern is it stripping the veneer. I'd probably place them on some wood side tables found on craigslist rather than speaker stands.

Lastly, would using the RC-10s as surrounds be a bit of overkill? I have some old and really cheap polk floor standing speakers that would obviate having to find a mounting solution for the RC-10s. I could then use the RC-10s in another room.
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RC-10's wont' be overkill since you already have them. They're a better match to the LCR's than the brighter Polk speakers would be. Even thught it is not critical that the surrounds match the front three, it is much better to have speakers that match than ones that dont. Especially if you want to play any multichannel music.

Blue Tack holds well, comes off easy and won't ruin your finish. If this quake stuff peels off the veneer I wouldn't use it.

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Here's a review using 3 LCR's a 2 RC-10's in a 5.1 setup. Right up your alley.
http://www.voxxintlcorp.com/docs/ene...-june-2006.pdf

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Lastly, would using the RC-10s as surrounds be a bit of overkill? I have some old and really cheap polk floor standing speakers that would obviate having to find a mounting solution for the RC-10s. I could then use the RC-10s in another room.
It also depends on the music you listen to. I'm listening to La Boheme (Ghiorgiu/Alagna/La Scala) in 5.1 SACD. I have an RC-LCR / 2xRC50 / 2xRC10 / 2xRC mini system driven by an Oppo 103D.

This SACD distributes the music very well (performance perspective, not audience), so the RC-10's are being exercised fully. The matrixed RC-min's are keeping up, barely, but the RC-10's are performing beautifully.

So if you're going to go the lossless / multichannel music, no matter what type - Tubular bells, Steely Dan come to mind, the surrounds will get heavy use.
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Hello folks! I'm in verge of changing my LCR, which consists of 2 rc70 and a v5.2c cherry color...

I'm keeping one of my 2 RC-70 sets though, can't sell them all, I do have strong love of them.

Do you think that 750$ is a good deal for the 3 fronts? ( without shipping of course. ) They are like new! I do think so, but since I,m not used with selling online, guess the shipping will break the deal , uh?

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yeah, its probably fair, especially in Canada where they're difficult to find. RC-70's go for $300 each at Fry's when on sale. The V5.2 is hard to find so dont know the value. Right now Fry's has the Energy RC LCR which is a better match than your V5.2 for $249.


Are your RC-70's also cherry of just the V5.2 center? Actually I didn't think the V5.2 came in cherry, just rosenut and piano black?

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@ afro gt : My rc70 are black, only color available when I bought em. You're right , only rosenut and black were made.

My v5.2c , to me, was a better match than the rc-lcr for home cinema, that's why I opted for it instead of the rc-lcr. Since it is brighter, the dialogues are clearer, and it's what I'm primarily looking at for a center channel!

yes, it is cherry color. I drool over it actually, and will have a hard time parting with it. I was looking for a piano black one at first, but since the cherry of the v5.2c matched really well with my tv credenza... And the price was ok... I've picked it up. It matched pretty well visually in my setup, but I regret picking it a different color. It will be hard to find someone picking the 3 and thinking like me haha! And I hope that like you say, the relative rarity of them will help me getting the price I want!

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I think you are turned around. The RCs came in black, cherry and rosenut. The V's are only offered in two finishes, gloss black and gloss rosewood.
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Originally Posted by Aarghon View Post
Hello folks! I'm in verge of changing my LCR, which consists of 2 rc70 and a v5.2c cherry color...

I'm keeping one of my 2 RC-70 sets though, can't sell them all, I do have strong love of them.

Do you think that 750$ is a good deal for the 3 fronts? ( without shipping of course. ) They are like new! I do think so, but since I,m not used with selling online, guess the shipping will break the deal , uh?
I think you should be able to get $750 rather than just ask for $750, however you may have to sell the v5.2c separately since it isn't a match in colour or series. .

And most importantly of all, what will you be replacing them with???
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