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RC-70's are $299 each again at Frys. In store availability.
again?!?!? That deal is simply too awesome value for the money. And way too renewable for me haha!! I'll likely need to wait, because that deal on new stock makes it hard to sell a used pair at a decent price!

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And since Fry's likely doesn't make any money at that price point, I'm curious to see how agressive they are in-store for adding a set of speaker cables and/or new receiver to the mix

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Nice collections! Did you opt for a newer turntable or did you go vintage? I really pity those that gave up on vinyl because of all the crap systems and poor pressings they've been selling. Also, the current state of CD production just doesn't compare with the dynamics of good old (good ol') vinyl.

I happened upon a Sanyo TP-825D turntable in an antique store with a Shure M91-ED cartridge. After googling around a bit, I found a lot of people that raved about this very under-the-radar turntable, especially when combined with this cartridge, so I went back and bought it. It's hard to beat the old audio stuff from the 70's. Especially since most of my recordings are from the 60's-70's. Classical and jazz really shine on the old Veritas speakers. Lotsa sparkle and air.

A lot of the older rock stuff and 45's I listen to through a Garrard SL-55 changer with a Shure M44 cartridge I paid $22 for in a thrift store and drive that with an old $75 15 WPC Sansui AU-101 amp in to RC70 towers. Great warmth and punch.

Again, it's the synergy you look for between the formats and the equipment. My SACD's and DVD- Audios go through the Oppo and Denon 3808 for 5.2 with the old Veritas speakers.

I'm happy where I am now. Especially after hearing the triangles and piccolo during the Tchaikovsky. The Zphono pre-amp was the last piece of the puzzle. If I find anything lacking from now on, I can just assume it's the recording and not my equipment. I can finally just kick back and enjoy those tingly sensations!

The main system has a vintage Dual 1229Q in it. I found it at a garage sale completely reconditioned for $5.00. Bit of a story but when I went to pay for a hammock for my girlfriend (now wife) they threw the Dual into the package deal. Crazy.
My other setups have a Hitachi PS-15 and a Technics SL-J33 (Technics is with the Denon 3808 CI) which I like very much.
I agree that synergy is key, with every detail contributing for what is possible with what is available.
I love vinyl and the sound it offers in 2 channel setups. SACD & DVD-A are amazing in systems that are built for seamless enveloping sounds, and fortunate for us, we are able to experience that whenever we choose.

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Man, the mahogany fish does look spectacular...but truth be told, I think the 22's (that's the model, right? Can't recall for sure) on the end, to me, actually look the nicest out of the entire bunch. They definitely knew how to put together an attractive speaker back in the day.

The Veritas and 22 Reference Connoisseurs were built to incredibly high standards. I personally would choose the Veritas over anything, but that is only because I know how they sound. All in all, both models are absolutely beautiful in workmanship and construction. The 22 Reference Connoisseurs weigh in at about 56 pounds each and the 1.8s weigh in at around 80 pounds each. I wish Energy still had the dedication they once possessed. The 22s have hand sewn woofers, proof they undoubtedly cared about their products in the past.

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that Fry's sale really bums me out. I felt like I got a pretty solid deal on the CF-50s I bought a little over a week ago to be my mains. I'm very satisfied with the way they sound in my room. But now the RC-70s are the same price? grrr
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Do you all think it's crazy to purchase spare Energy speakers in case of future failure of non-discontinued models that I am using (and hope to use for the rest of my life)?

I have 3 RC70s (as L/C/R) and 2 VS surrounds. I'm thinking if I buy one RC-LCR and one VS then I can replace or use parts to repair failed units in case something goes wrong.

I recently had to have a VS crossover replaced under warranty and it has gotten me worried about getting stuck with the wrong number of speakers and being unable to find a matching replacement in the far future.

I wouldn't go too crazy over stock piling these models of speakers. That being said, if you think this is the last speaker you'll ever buy it wouldn't hurt to buy extras if the price is right and you have the space. In the past, I have picked up whole sets of speakers for the same cost as 1 woofer, so I'm more than happy to do that.

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that Fry's sale really bums me out. I felt like I got a pretty solid deal on the CF-50s I bought a little over a week ago to be my mains. I'm very satisfied with the way they sound in my room. But now the RC-70s are the same price? grrr
Return the CF-50s if you can. RC-70s are in a totally different league.

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djjoshuad The RC have a solid build quality, they don't feel or look cheap at all , RC have a thick solid real wood veneer ,cast frame speakers vs the stamped speakers on the CF.RC have Kevlar speaker cones,metal spikes vs plastic feets.

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The main system has a vintage Dual 1229Q in it. I found it at a garage sale completely reconditioned for $5.00. Bit of a story but when I went to pay for a hammock for my girlfriend (now wife) they threw the Dual into the package deal. Crazy.
My other setups have a Hitachi PS-15 and a Technics SL-J33 (Technics is with the Denon 3808 CI) which I like very much.
I agree that synergy is key, with every detail contributing for what is possible with what is available.
I love vinyl and the sound it offers in 2 channel setups. SACD & DVD-A are amazing in systems that are built for seamless enveloping sounds, and fortunate for us, we are able to experience that whenever we choose.
What a deal on the Dual!

I have a Technics Sl-QD33, which I've recommended before as an ideal turntable at under $100 for getting into vinyl.

I'm actually listening to some vinyl in 5 channel stereo with the Denon 3808 into my old Veritas V2.3/V2.0C/V2.0-surrounds and S10.3 subs.

The Zphono pre-amp has a rumble filter, which helps a LOT. Without it, you can see the woofers moving constantly. It also has a mono switch and a USB out for digitizing vinyl or anything else you can plug into RCA jacks. The RIAA curve can be switched off so you can use software versions. I also got a Monster PowerCenter HTS 3500 that instantly stabilized the turntable speed and cleaned everything else up nicely. Like they say, these older V-series Energy speakers will show up any deficiencies in the source. They will also show off any upgrades in the path. VERY revealing. Never fatiguing.

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Energy Veritas 6.2

I have the full set of Energy Veritas 6.2 with matching center and VS surrounds in a 378 sq ft room.

I am currently powering them with a Denon VR-2113CI (95 Watts per Channel)

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-2113.../dp/B00829USIU

What type of performance increase could I expect with a separate powered amp in the system? Could anyone make some recommendations for a specific amp that works well with these Energy speakers?

Thanks!
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None. The Denon 2113 doesn't have preamp outputs to add an external amp. You'd need a different receiver first.

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None. The Denon 2113 doesn't have preamp outputs to add an external amp. You'd need a different receiver first.
Ok, gotcha. In your opinion, is the 95 watts/ channel enough for these energy speakers?

Would I see significant performance increase if I were to upgrade to new receiver and external amp with more wattage per channel?
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It really depends on how loud you are playing. 378 sq ft isn't a huge room, so if this is just moderately loud living room type of listening then you probably wouldn't see any benefit to additional amplification. Remember that power demands are logarithmic -- you need 10x the power to increase the volume by 10dB. So if your loudest listening is around -20 on the volume dial (or 60 out of 80 if you are using the absolute scale) you are using 100x less power than you would need to achieve full reference (0dB on the relative scale or 80 on the absolute scale). So if you rarely crank it above -20 or -15 you are probably never using more than 10 watts per channel.

If you are trying to push louder than that, and you can't go loud enough because things begin to sound harsh and distorted, then yes you probably need more power. But if you can play as loud as you care to without any audible strain, then you probably are fine. And also remember that if you have speakers set to "small" and crossed over to a subwoofer, then you are using even less power. Most people use a LOT less power than they think they do.

To really help more we would need to know a lot more about your setup. Distance to the speakers, how loud you listen, what kind of subwoofer you have, what kind of content you are listening to, whether it's a dedicated HT or a living room, etc.

In general, upgrading amplification is typically a poor bang-for-the-buck for sound quality increase unless you REALLY need more power. For example, adding a better subwoofer (or a second subwoofer if you already have a good one) will probably yield more sound quality improvement than spending a bunch for a beefy amplifier if you don't really need more power. If you have a dedicated room then adding acoustic treatment will yield a lot more band for the buck than a little more power. Upgrading your receiver could yield better sound quality but probably not because of amp power, but rather due to better calibration (e.g. moving up to MultEQ XT32) and component circuitry (if you step way up to something like the 4520CI).
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I bought a Crown X1000 amp yesterday to add to my Denon 989/2809 receiver. It's rated at 300W @ 4 ohms and 200W @ 8 ohms. Basically I got it because it was $99 and it just wanted to try it out with my RC-70's. I just got started last night so haven't had much chance to experiment.

I did listen to some 2 channel stereo in pure direct mode which did sound good. however I don't know how much of that I did previously. It's easy for me to switch back and forth between the receiver amps and the Crown since I'm using banana plugs. I'll try it both ways later this evening.

Like Batpig said there probably isn't a need unless your receiver was straining before at loud volumes. I just figured for $99 I didn't have much to lose and I can return it down the street to Guitar Center within 30 days.

Good thing about the amp is that it is inexpensive and runs very quiet. Bad thing is that its a little ugly and industrial looking and has a very bright power light. It also needs a 12V trigger. The fans and vents are in the back so at least I can put it in a cabinet should I decide to keep it.

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Yeah, let us know AfroGT.
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Thanks guys, really good info. I think you answered my question and I'm kind of glad I don't have the option for an external amp as I really didn't need to drop the money on one right now anyways
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Curious how the Veritas V2.0R compares to the V-S as movie surround speakers. I have 2 V2.4 mains, a V2.0Ci center, and 2 V2.0R side surrounds. To add rear surrounds, I imagine the V2.0R would be the best match, but am leery of woofer issues and wonder if there are reasons opt for the V-S instead?

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The 2nd gen Veritas are significantly better speakers than the newer klipsch "Veritas" models. That said, the reasons to opt for the V-S could include (1) availability, (2) cost, (3) smaller size, (4) no fear of woofer failure, (5) slight mismatch of back surrounds probably not noticeable.

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Afrogt this guy use the Behringer A-500 on his speaker collection ,he have B&W ,JBL and the list is long,,, here is the link of his youtube videos https://www.youtube.com/user/chrisewies/videos ,$99 is a great deal.

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thanks for the link losservatore, will check it out.
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So I got a chance to play with my new Crown X1000 amp with my Energy RC-70 speakers this weekend. Sound & Vision tested the RC-70's in March 2006 and rated the sensitivity as 89db. So not really difficult to drive by a decent receiver.
http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...speaker-system


I've got a Denon AVR-989 receiver which is rated at 115W/channel stereo by the mfr. Sound and Vision did a review in 2009 and measured the 989 as 130w x 2, 112 x 5 and 100W x 7 so the receiver is no slouch.
http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...89-av-receiver


But the Crown X1000 is currently $99 and rated at 300W/channel @ 4 ohms and 200W/channel @ 8 ohms so I wanted to experiment. I did all my testing in 2 channel.

My Denon is sitting on the Crown amp right now and since there are no top vents on the amp there is no danger of it overheating. It has front vents and fans on the back so nothing is blocking any air circulation.


First thing I did was turn off the subwoofer in Direct/Stereo mode and the RC-70's were set as large. Then I broke out my Radio Shack SPL meter and made sure the test tones read the same level using the Denon internal amps and the external Crown amp.

Then I ran everything in Pure Direct on the receiver with my CD changer connected with analog cables. Played several of my CD's which I know very well. Probably listened to music for a good 3-4 hours over the weekend.

At first I thought music through the Crown sounded fuller. But after switching back and forth several times I couldn't really tell a difference between the Crown and Denon amps at my normal listening levels. My listening room is only 16 x 13 so I rarely go past -15 in stereo mode. I cranked it up to -10 and it was too loud for me and the neighbors across the way would have started complaining if I left it on that high much longer. Maybe if I could have pushed it to 0db on the dial the superiority of the Crown amp would have shown. Or if I had 4 ohm speakers like Mangepan or Polk LSi it would have made a difference.

Batpig said a few posts up that if you never turn your receiver up past -20 or -15 you're probably not using much more than 10W. Maybe he's right.

I'm gonna keep this amp and possibly use it for Zone 2 or another purpose. Since the price was so good I see no reason to take it back. The only drawback is the bright blue power light but a little electrical tape will take care of that problem.

So if one has a very large room or difficult to drive speakers I recommend buying an external amp like the Crown X1000. They also have the X2000 for $199, and X4000 for $299 at Guitar Center and Musician's Friend. I just don't need that kind of power.

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So I got a chance to play with my new Crown X1000 amp with my Energy RC-70 speakers this weekend. Sound & Vision tested the RC-70's in March 2006 and rated the sensitivity as 89db. So not really difficult to drive by a decent receiver.
http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...speaker-system


I've got a Denon AVR-989 receiver which is rated at 115W/channel stereo by the mfr. Sound and Vision did a review in 2009 and measured the 989 as 130w x 2, 112 x 5 and 100W x 7 so the receiver is no slouch.
http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...89-av-receiver


But the Crown X1000 is currently $99 and rated at 300W/channel @ 4 ohms and 200W/channel @ 8 ohms so I wanted to experiment. I did all my testing in 2 channel.

My Denon is sitting on the Crown amp right now and since there are no top vents on the amp there is no danger of it overheating. It has front vents and fans on the back so nothing is blocking any air circulation.


First thing I did was turn off the subwoofer in Direct/Stereo mode and the RC-70's were set as large. Then I broke out my Radio Shack SPL meter and made sure the test tones read the same level using the Denon internal amps and the external Crown amp.

Then I ran everything in Pure Direct on the receiver with my CD changer connected with analog cables. Played several of my CD's which I know very well. Probably listened to music for a good 3-4 hours over the weekend.

At first I thought music through the Crown sounded fuller. But after switching back and forth several times I couldn't really tell a difference between the Crown and Denon amps at my normal listening levels. My listening room is only 16 x 13 so I rarely go past -15 in stereo mode. I cranked it up to -10 and it was too loud for me and the neighbors across the way would have started complaining if I left it on that high much longer. Maybe if I could have pushed it to 0db on the dial the superiority of the Crown amp would have shown. Or if I had 4 ohm speakers like Mangepan or Polk LSi it would have made a difference.

Batpig said a few posts up that if you never turn your receiver up past -20 or -15 you're probably not using much more than 10W. Maybe he's right.

I'm gonna keep this amp and possibly use it for Zone 2 or another purpose. Since the price was so good I see no reason to take it back. The only drawback is the bright blue power light but a little electrical tape will take care of that problem.

So if one has a very large room or difficult to drive speakers I recommend buying an external amp like the Crown X1000. They also have the X2000 for $199, and X4000 for $299 at Guitar Center and Musician's Friend. I just don't need that kind of power.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Crown-X4...46-i2670625.gc

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Crown-X2...38-i2670624.gc
Thanks for the update. I noticed on the specs for the X1000 that the THD is rated at 0.5% which is much higher than most avr's and home theater amps. Did you notice any difference in the "cleanness" of the power, or do you think you didn't drive it hard enough for distortion to be a factor?
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I didn't notice any distortion even when I did turn it up loud but I probably didn't push it enough to be a factor. You do have a point that the power is rated at 0.5% while my Denon specs are rated at 0.08%. So the Crown has 6x more distortion. How much of that is really audible though? I just looked up a few Emotiva amps for comparison.

XPA-2, $899
https://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/xpa-2
Power output (all channels driven):
500 watts RMS per channel @ 4 ohm (0.12% THD)
300 watts RMS per channel @ 8 ohm (0.07% THD)

XPA-200, $499
https://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/xpa-200
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240 watts / channel; into 4 ohms both channels driven)

UPA-200, $299
https://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/upa-200
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(rated power; THD < 0.05%):
125 watts / channel (8 ohms; all channels driven).
200 watts / channel (4 ohms; all channels driven).

So the XPA-200 is rated at a higher distortion than the Crown X1000 while the other two amps have quite a bit lower distortion. Unfortunately I've never heard any of those amps so I can't compare. Why would anyone get the UPA-200 over the XPA-200 for a 25W difference but higher distortion for $200 more?
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Can't hear sounds from behind

I've got a 9.2 Energy setup (see attached picture) and I'm having difficulty perceiving sound coming from behind me, most of the time.
Whether I'm using an upmixing/matrix setting such as PLIIx or PLIIz or a Bluray with discrete 7.1, most "surround" sounds seem to be coming from my sides, not the back of the room.
I've tried moving the side surround forward (to 90 degrees) and also further back, but didn't like the results, and they are currently at 112 degrees facing each other (see attached diagram).
I guess you could say the sound is localized as sometimes is an issue with side surrounds.
For example, in Star Trek: The Next Generation Blurays, when the enterprise wizzes by from back to front, I hear it start at the side wall and then wiz to the front of the room.
I have an all RC setup except the surrounds are Energy VS.
I currently have them set to Bipole with the volume nob turned to max.
I know I have to experiment and find what sounds best to me, but does anyone have any suggestions on things to try?
Should I set the VS to "monopole" by turning the volume nob down? (if so, souldn't think leave a "hole" between 400Hz and 3k since I would be turning a 3-way speaker into a 2-way?)
I have some extra RC10s I can use as side surrounds or use to temporarily test different scenarios, but I'm not sure where to start.
I wouldn't think trying dipole would help because I'm not in the null zone.
Any ideas?
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I didn't notice any distortion even when I did turn it up loud but I probably didn't push it enough to be a factor. You do have a point that the power is rated at 0.5% while my Denon specs are rated at 0.08%. So the Crown has 6x more distortion. How much of that is really audible though? I just looked up a few Emotiva amps for comparison.
That doesn't necessarily mean the Crown has more distortion at normal listening levels. That's just where the spec was taken. It's possible that the noise floor is much lower than 0.5% THD when not pushing the amps as hard -- they could have just chosen 0.5% THD as the distortion point where they quoted the power spec to make the ratings seem a bit beefier. And probably because for a pro application (e.g. a PA system) that is well below the audibility threshold for that kind of "non hifi" use case. It doesn't mean for sure that the Crown doesn't have, say, 0.1% THD when only putting out 50 watts.

For example look at this one review (Denon AVR-4520CI) with bench tests: http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...ver-test-bench

They list output numbers at at both 0.1% THD and 1% THD .... but the actual THD (look at the graph) is below 0.005% until the channel is putting out over 100 watts. So it's just a question of where the person doing the measurement decides to place the threshold of acceptable distortion when they quote the spec.
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I've got a 9.2 Energy setup (see attached picture) and I'm having difficulty perceiving sound coming from behind me, most of the time.
Whether I'm using an upmixing/matrix setting such as PLIIx or PLIIz or a Bluray with discrete 7.1, most "surround" sounds seem to be coming from my sides, not the back of the room.
I've tried moving the side surround forward (to 90 degrees) and also further back, but didn't like the results, and they are currently at 112 degrees facing each other (see attached diagram).
I guess you could say the sound is localized as sometimes is an issue with side surrounds.
For example, in Star Trek: The Next Generation Blurays, when the enterprise wizzes by from back to front, I hear it start at the side wall and then wiz to the front of the room.
I have an all RC setup except the surrounds are Energy VS.
I currently have them set to Bipole with the volume nob turned to max.
I know I have to experiment and find what sounds best to me, but does anyone have any suggestions on things to try?
Should I set the VS to "monopole" by turning the volume nob down? (if so, souldn't think leave a "hole" between 400Hz and 3k since I would be turning a 3-way speaker into a 2-way?)
I have some extra RC10s I can use as side surrounds or use to temporarily test different scenarios, but I'm not sure where to start.
I wouldn't think trying dipole would help because I'm not in the null zone.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
RC70 x3
VS x2
RC10 x2
Denon 4311
BIC F12 x2
Just to start with the obvious -- have to done the simple test of using a test tone played to the back speakers to make sure they are putting out normal volume (irrespective of actual program content)?

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Just to start with the obvious -- have to done the simple test of using a test tone played to the back speakers to make sure they are putting out normal volume (irrespective of actual program content)?
D'oh, I should have mentioned that. Yes, when playing the receiver's test tones tones, I can hear them circle around me as I switch through them.
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That doesn't necessarily mean the Crown has more distortion at normal listening levels. That's just where the spec was taken. It's possible that the noise floor is much lower than 0.5% THD when not pushing the amps as hard -- they could have just chosen 0.5% THD as the distortion point where they quoted the power spec to make the ratings seem a bit beefier. And probably because for a pro application (e.g. a PA system) that is well below the audibility threshold for that kind of "non hifi" use case. It doesn't mean for sure that the Crown doesn't have, say, 0.1% THD when only putting out 50 watts.

For example look at this one review (Denon AVR-4520CI) with bench tests: http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...ver-test-bench

They list output numbers at at both 0.1% THD and 1% THD .... but the actual THD (look at the graph) is below 0.005% until the channel is putting out over 100 watts. So it's just a question of where the person doing the measurement decides to place the threshold of acceptable distortion when they quote the spec.
Good point.

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Just to start with the obvious -- have to done the simple test of using a test tone played to the back speakers to make sure they are putting out normal volume (irrespective of actual program content)?
I should have been clearer. Sound is coming out of all the speakers. The effect I'm describing is a perceptual thing from the MLP. Maybe this is how it's supposed to sound. Perhaps there are just very few effects that seem to come from behind...

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I should have been clearer. Sound is coming out of all the speakers. The effect I'm describing is a perceptual thing from the MLP. Maybe this is how it's supposed to sound. Perhaps there are just very few effects that seem to come from behind...
Do you have a very large room? Maybe the speakers are just too far apart to give you that seamless effect.
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