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Sorry to resurrect an old thread... But I just wanted to say Thanks to burkeydvm. I've had these speakers (non-i Veritas) for like a decade and have tried several times to clean the tops of the sticky residue and only made it worse. Even called Energy a year or so ago and they had no clue... But, other than the stickiness, I love my 7.1 cherry Veritas speakers.

I was giving my home theater some love this week - receiver died and time for something new... And thought I'd try one more time to search for a solution... Denatured alcohol really did the trick! I have 4 speakers with the rubber tops and rubber sides on the center... They are all now smooth and soft to the touch- and there's nothing that the dust will stick to! It took about 15 min a side with gentle rubbing with a soft cloth saturated in the alcohol, and a final wiped own and they are now smooth and not sticky at all.

So- thanks for posting this- these are absolutely great speakers, and they're now like new!

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Edit: the tops of the speakers are now smooth black plastic, which looks GREAT. I think there was a rubberized coating on top of that originally, which, thanks to our LA smog, turned to gummy, stick goop. The denatured alcohol I used just removed that initial VERY THIN rubberized coating and took it down to the hard surface of the tops. The tops are still the 1/4" or so black plastic. If one wanted to, the tops could be sprayed with a rubberized coating again I suppose - they look/feel great as is at this point. Easier to dust as well! I'm not sure I want to risk it - LB
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There may be more than just the shape for differences between the "C" in ceiling speakers and the "W" in wall designated speakers.... be sure to check the mounting depth specs between the two models... In ceiling speakers may be deeper as they are intended for the additional space typically afforded ceiling mounting, whereas the in wall speakers should for certain fit in the typical 2 X 4 stud frames as far as depth....
Just an update to this: Checking the specs on the Energy-speakers.com site, shows that the EAS-6C has a mounting depth of only 2.75 inches!... so they would be fine for mounting in walls also... actually shallower than the EAS-6W's 3.25 inches... even the EAS-8C has a depth of only 3.25 inches..... so wall mounting in a 2x4 (1.5 X 3.5) studded frame wall should be no problem I would think....

The mounting depth issue would only come into play if by chance you were able to find the RC series of in ceiling speakers... the RC-6C and the RC-8C have a greater than 4 inch mounting depth... whereas the RC-6W is the only one with less than 4 inch mounting depth...

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Would be worth a look/listen if I lived near them.
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So, Laserjock, did you fiddle with the rc70s a little ? =D

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So, Laserjock, did you fiddle with the rc70s a little ? =D
One day! Lol
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Hey guys,


I'm considering adding front heights to my 7.3 system and I have a few question. I currently have the RC setup and was wondering which Energy speaker would be the best tonal match, the CB-10 or the Veritas mini? Also, do any of you have experience using front heights and how much does it add to a movie/game experience? I'm not seeking a drastic change, but I'm expecting more immersion with ambient sounds.

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I'm considering adding front heights to my 7.3 system and I have a few question. I currently have the RC setup and was wondering which Energy speaker would be the best tonal match, the CB-10 or the Veritas mini? Also, do any of you have experience using front heights and how much does it add to a movie/game experience? I'm not seeking a drastic change, but I'm expecting more immersion with ambient sounds.
I would just go with the Veritas Minis as they would be the easiest to mount and come with mounting brackets already... and the drivers look more similar to the RC line also. But, for my room, heights just didn't seem to do anything that great...especially when compared to wides, but that is with Audyssey DSX expansion.. whereas your heights may be using your receiver's own height surround mode? So, I have no idea on how much those will add... but, it seems that the higher your ceiling, the better.. what is your ceiling height?
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I would just go with the Veritas Minis as they would be the easiest to mount and come with mounting brackets already... and the drivers look more similar to the RC line also. But, for my room, heights just didn't seem to do anything that great...especially when compared to wides, but that is with Audyssey DSX expansion.. whereas your heights may be using your receiver's own height surround mode? So, I have no idea on how much those will add... but, it seems that the higher your ceiling, the better.. what is your ceiling height?
Because of the venting system, 1/3 of the basement is lower then the other 6"10 compared to 7"8.

Since My Yamaha uses its own DSP for front heights I wonder if that will make much a difference compared to the DSP that is available in your receiver?


The reason I asked between these two speakers is because they are on sale. The CB-10 are going for $169.99 a pair and the Vminis are going for $139.00 each. If the Vminis will be a better tonal match I'll go for those, but is it worth the $130.00 difference?

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Ok - as promised, pictures of tops and sides (on Center channel) of recently cleaned/renewed cherry veneer Energy Veritas speakers. You can see in the first one, of the left 2.3 Veritas, it's now shiny black on top, rather than the formerly sticky black with cat hair. You can see from the L-C-R shot what they look like as a group (and that I'm a Trekkie!), and the wider shot shows one of the 2.1 speakers on a Veritas stand, and one of the 2.0r surround speakers on the wall.


I was thinking of spraying a rubberized finish on the tops again, but I think I like them the way they are, and for the life of me am not sure why they put it on in the first place - maybe they didn't know it would turn to goo in a few years.


I'm on the verge of getting a receiver with Dolby Atmos, so am trying to figure out how to fit two more Height channel speakers in the already too small room... the WAF is already pressed beyond reason - thinking maybe of adding a couple of Orb speakers firing up.


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They look nice and shiny now!! Nice.
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@brendelac : awesome how some deals can be made at futureshop... I could have bought a pair of veritases 6.3c for... 799$. Considering how much I've drooled upon them, I still can't figure why I didn't buy them.
That would have been a good deal.....the lowest I had ever seen them for at Future Shop online or in Metro Edmonton was $799. per speaker.
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That would have been a good deal.....the lowest I had ever seen them for at Future Shop online or in Metro Edmonton was $799. per speaker.
Yup, futureshop seems to do cluster pricing in store.. Often I've seen stuff lower
in store than advertised online... Must depend on the sales rate in local markets... And Energy veritas speakers and RC aren't on the website anymore... So the stores still having them on hand have to be doing something. Maybe a manager's deal.

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Ok - as promised, pictures of tops and sides (on Center channel) of recently cleaned/renewed cherry veneer Energy Veritas speakers. You can see in the first one, of the left 2.3 Veritas, it's now shiny black on top, rather than the formerly sticky black with cat hair. You can see from the L-C-R shot what they look like as a group (and that I'm a Trekkie!), and the wider shot shows one of the 2.1 speakers on a Veritas stand, and one of the 2.0r surround speakers on the wall.


I was thinking of spraying a rubberized finish on the tops again, but I think I like them the way they are, and for the life of me am not sure why they put it on in the first place - maybe they didn't know it would turn to goo in a few years.


I'm on the verge of getting a receiver with Dolby Atmos, so am trying to figure out how to fit two more Height channel speakers in the already too small room... the WAF is already pressed beyond reason - thinking maybe of adding a couple of Orb speakers firing up.


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Those look good! Nice job. I'll have to remember the denatured alcohol trick.
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Those look good! Nice job. I'll have to remember the denatured alcohol trick.
Thanks! I posted a lot about it so that others who have these speakers and the same issues will have a clue of what to do. I have had this issue for several years - my wife was sick of it, and now she just laughs at how easy it was to fix - "After all these years!" Sorry, Dear!


So, now people know what to do. And I found a brief hint of it from a Google search that pointed me to part of a thread from a year ago.


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Recently picked up a C-C1 center and a pair of C-R1 side surrounds to add to my C2 mains. Working on replacing my 120w Sony sub and Sony surround back speakers with a Velodyne sub along with Energy Take Classics. The center channel was a huge increase in sound quality, blows me away and the side surrounds are very impressive. Pics of the center....



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Hello fellow energy owners. I had a chance to listen to my Energy RC 70's near reference level today and I noticed that the sound was lacking in the left speaker. I put my ear up to it and noticed that the tweeter and driver just below it weren't producing any sound. I checked the wires and connections and even tried it with another amp and still no sound. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance.
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Hi. I hope I'm posting in the right place. I recently bought an onkyo tx-nr636 that came with 5 small jamo 360 s25 speakers. I already have two energy CF30s I can use as fronts. Should I throw it all together and get a cc10 as a center channel with the small s25s for surrounds/rears? Would that work? Better suggestions? Thanks in advance!
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I forgot to mention that I also already have a rhythmik LV-12r sub.
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Hi. I hope I'm posting in the right place. I recently bought an onkyo tx-nr636 that came with 5 small jamo 360 s25 speakers. I already have two energy CF30s I can use as fronts. Should I throw it all together and get a cc10 as a center channel with the small s25s for surrounds/rears? Would that work? Better suggestions? Thanks in advance!
Well, if anything, a well matched ( ideally a perfectly matched ) front stage is the main thing that is going to affect your home theater sound quality. I would indeed match the center if available easily to you. Optimum situation! Going the same speaker series is always a good idea!

If the surrounds can be matched too, it's a good thing, but wayyyyy less critical than having a front stage match. If you get some center unmatched to your fronts, you might notice a "Panning breakage" when, for example, a motorcycle crosses the screen,... You'll be able to notice the different tone when going from front left to center, then center to right. To sum it briefly, the sound transitions will sound bumpy, not fluid and uneven.
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Well, if anything, a well matched ( ideally a perfectly matched ) front stage is the main thing that is going to affect your home theater sound quality. I would indeed match the center if available easily to you. Optimum situation! Going the same speaker series is always a good idea!

If the surrounds can be matched too, it's a good thing, but wayyyyy less critical than having a front stage match. If you get some center unmatched to your fronts, you might notice a "Panning breakage" when, for example, a motorcycle crosses the screen,... You'll be able to notice the different tone when going from front left to center, then center to right. To sum it briefly, the sound transitions will sound bumpy, not fluid and uneven.
Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it. Is there a better option that timbre matches to the CF30s than the CC10, or should I just start looking for a decent deal on the CC10?
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Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it. Is there a better option that timbre matches to the CF30s than the CC10, or should I just start looking for a decent deal on the CC10?
My pleasure sir!

Well the cc 10 would indeed be the perfect match. And the CF-30 woofer size exactly matches the cc-10, so I think that it would be hard ( if not impossible) to get a better match. Especially since the cc-10 is easily available with a good deal. I wouldn't look elsewhere, personnally!
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Hello fellow energy owners. I had a chance to listen to my Energy RC 70's near reference level today and I noticed that the sound was lacking in the left speaker. I put my ear up to it and noticed that the tweeter and driver just below it weren't producing any sound. I checked the wires and connections and even tried it with another amp and still no sound. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance.
Well, if you've tried it on different amps, and that the problem is replicating... Most likely not an amp issue. I hope you didn't blow a tweeter and a midrange by driving them too hard... What is the power source that you've used to drive them near reference level?

Maybe just a connection that came loose by vibrating...I'd try to open them first.

Usually the rc70s can take quite a beating from what I've read...

If it's the case, Klipsch still has parts to fix them, and if they are under warranty, usually they back their product.. If I were you, I'd contact them.

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Hello fellow energy owners. I had a chance to listen to my Energy RC 70's near reference level today and I noticed that the sound was lacking in the left speaker. I put my ear up to it and noticed that the tweeter and driver just below it weren't producing any sound. I checked the wires and connections and even tried it with another amp and still no sound. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance.
Do you have the bridge plate connected between the terminals at the back of the speakers? That would be the first thing to check. What about with the volume turned down?
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Well, if you've tried it on different amps, and that the problem is replicating... Most likely not an amp issue. I hope you didn't blow a tweeter and a midrange by driving them too hard... What is the power source that you've used to drive them near reference level?
I'm using an Anthem MRX 310 with an emotiva XPA 5. I've actually had it louder at times with no problem.
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Do you have the bridge plate connected between the terminals at the back of the speakers? That would be the first thing to check. What about with the volume turned down?
Yes it does the same thing with the volume low and the plate is connected. I've never blown a speaker before so I'm not sure what to expect. Is this typically what happens...a driver or drivers just stop working?
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Yes it does the same thing with the volume low and the plate is connected. I've never blown a speaker before so I'm not sure what to expect. Is this typically what happens...a driver or drivers just stop working?
Plates (plural, 2 per speaker. Black to black and red to red) are both connected, right? Sorry, this is basic stuff that you are probably aware of, but seems the most likely problem to cause your issue. I have never blown a driver myself, but I have had 1 or 2 DOA on speakers that I have bought new and they still produced sound, just nowhere near what they were supposed to. The fact that you have a tweeter and mid-range both all of a sudden not working at all would lead me to assume that they are not blown.

I'm not the troubleshooting guru, but I'll try to help until batpig or someone more learned chimes in.

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Brendelac thanks for the tips, I have made sure everything is connected properly and tight. I have to admit I'm completely stumped.
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Brendelac thanks for the tips, I have made sure everything is connected properly and tight. I have to admit I'm completely stumped.
Disconnect the bi-amp/bi wire shorting straps and connect only to the upper set of terminals... double check that you have no sound whatsoever... If so, I would say most likely you had wire/connector come loose somewhere inside the speaker... on a crossover circuit? or a component on a crossover board went bad, causing the lack of sound. Either way, you may need to open up your 70.... take out the drivers and take a look inside... looking for loose wire or some visual sign of damage to a crossover circuit board... or something....look at the wiring and follow it and try to determine the most likely culprit areas for the lack of sound coming from both your tweeter and midrange driver...
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