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batpig's Avatar batpig 08:50 PM 12-19-2014
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I just can't believe Frys would rather send speaker after speaker and end up with damaged returned inventory than simply correct the problem. Unbelievable.
This is the same problem when they were shipped from Vanns a few years ago. The RC-10's and RC LCR are packed very well with two pieces of thick foam covering the speakers and no damage likely to happen. The RC-70's have separate foam pieces in the top and bottom corners and a long pieces of thin foam to cover the sides. That's fine for shipping to a warehouse in bulk like Fry's but not for individual box shipping for residential deliveries.
Yeah I know it's the same problem. And it's just as stupid now as it was then when people were posting the same complaints about damaged towers and refusal to double box from Vanns.

Wolowizard's Avatar Wolowizard 09:13 PM 12-19-2014
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Not to nitpick but it's the C-R3 not the R1 that is the precursor to the RC-R. The R1 is a basic 2-way bipolar with a single woofer and dual opposing tweeters. More like the recent CR-10 (although with the higher quality drivers of the older Connoisseur line). The R3 inherited the trickle down tech of the Veritas V2.0R with the three way design (dual opposing mids with front firing woofer+tweeter) and sound field management with the ability to configure bipole vs dipole and also change the volume of the side firing mids (with the option of even turning them off for full monopole operation).

But I'm sure they are still nice. Just not quite that close to the RC-R.
I saw your post from a while back that said as much. So that was my expectation going in. I figure for $100 that it's a worthwhile experiment. Though, if it's a big improvement over the RC-10s, I might really start jonesin for some Rs. Haha
losservatore's Avatar losservatore 10:43 PM 12-19-2014
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Anyone else playing fry's wheel of fortune?

Got my third damaged Rc-70 (second replacement) today.
whooeee this is fun...

They won't double box. Their solution was to tell me to call UPS and ask them to put fragile stickers on it. I did, and UPS said they don't do that.

Going to try to push them to give me 50% refund at this point.
you are not alone my previews towers speakers the Veritas and RC were returned twice, they beat up the speakers, is just ridiculous and the worst part is that we are in Christmas.

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afrogt's Avatar afrogt 09:05 AM 12-20-2014
[quote]Not to nitpick but it's the C-R3 not the R1 that is the precursor to the RC-R. The R1 is a basic 2-way bipolar with a single woofer and dual opposing tweeters.[\quote]

You're totally right Batpig, my mistake. It was the C-R3, not the R1. Thanks for the correction.
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nc88keyz's Avatar nc88keyz 09:38 PM 12-20-2014
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Not to nitpick but it's the C-R3 not the R1 that is the precursor to the RC-R. The R1 is a basic 2-way bipolar with a single woofer and dual opposing tweeters.[\quote]

You're totally right Batpig, my mistake. It was the C-R3, not the R1. Thanks for the correction.
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Walk please, don't run. Not a bad price at all for some RC-Minis in cherry!

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Darrin_R's Avatar Darrin_R 02:02 PM 12-22-2014
This is a good price on a pair of rc-50's in the St. Louis area. Although, they sure look like 30's in the pic.

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/ele/4798217796.html
pwong888's Avatar pwong888 07:06 PM 12-24-2014
Looking to buy 2 pairs of atmos ceiling speaker, is veritas v-mini or cb-10 a good choices?
deano86's Avatar deano86 10:39 AM 12-25-2014
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Looking to buy 2 pairs of atmos ceiling speaker, is veritas v-mini or cb-10 a good choices?
It may just depend on how you really want to mount them/or how high your ceiling is...

The V-mini's has a nice, very small unobtrusive form factor, but the included mounts are really only designed for the walls.. not for ceilings.... and most likely will cost you much more than the CB series of speakers..

The CB-10s are much, much larger and can be either wall or ceiling mounted using the relatively easy to get Omnimount 10.0 , but will really take up a lot more room which may not be as much of an issue if you are only planning to wall mount or you have very high ceilings...

Probably a more equivalent model to the V-mini would actually be the CB-5. These are still easy to find at quite reasonable prices and also use the Omnimount 10.0's. And while still being slightly bigger than the V-minis, they would be much more unobtrusive as compared to the CB-10s.

I happen to have a pair of CB-5s in great condition available for sale in the classifieds here. If you are interested...Just drop me a PM.
gas33 09:31 PM 12-26-2014
First of all, thank you for the abundance of information on this forum. It has been very helpful already. I have questions regarding the phase plug/ pole piece you may be able to help me with.

In the Energy RC LCR, how is the phase plug attached to the rest of the driver? If the phase plug were pushed or bumped, how likely would damage be caused to the speaker?

If the phase plug is centered in the vent and shows no sign of bending or denting, is it safe to assume no damage has been caused by contact with the phase plug?
batpig's Avatar batpig 11:29 AM Yesterday
I haven't disassembled it but I would imagine the phase plug pole is integral with the heavy metal basket / magnet structure at the back of the driver. The actual woofer basket moves freely up and down along the pole so it's not connected to the soft parts (the diaphram and spider). I have to imagine it would be tough to damage it, certainly not from an accidental bump or just touching it.
UNCMT9 07:58 AM Today
I currently own the Veritas 6.2, V5.2C and V Minis (although the minis are currently boxed up for relocation reasons). I'm looking for a good set of dedicated side surrounds. Would the RC 10's be a timber match? Is there something else that may be better? The comparable Energy V5.1 bookshelves are nowhere to be found. Thanks in advance, guys!
ShannonT's Avatar ShannonT 08:25 AM Today
RE: Looking to replace my C-100/CC-100 fronts.

I purchased the C/CC-100s on sale in 2008 based on recommendations here and I've been very happy with them, but have always had an itch to upgrade. I think I'm ready to give in to the itch

Current system (Split use Movie / Music)
Denon X-4000
4x C-100
CC-100
Klipsch Synergy Sub-12

Current watch lists are:

Towers (3x for fronts)
-- Ideal if found on sale at a steep discount --
Energy RC-70
Energy CF-70
Polk RTI A7

-- Considering settling for --
Polk Monitor70 Series II

Bookshelf
Also considering the Energy RC-10 w/ RC-LCR and staying with bookshelf fronts. But, I want to have a noticeable improvement in sound with the purchase and am concerned staying with bookshelf speakers won't give me that.

Ideal cost is around $200 per speaker (x3). But, there is no locked budget (hence the large price range between top and bottom ).

Any input is welcome and greatly appreciated. Especially concerning whether sticking with bookshelf speakers will be worth the upgrade price, whether the Polks are similar in sound to the Energy lines and whether the three ideal listed can sometimes be found at steep discounts (hopefully around $250ea).

Thanks in advance!
laserjock II's Avatar laserjock II 09:09 AM Today
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Originally Posted by ShannonT View Post
RE: Looking to replace my C-100/CC-100 fronts.

I purchased the C/CC-100s on sale in 2008 based on recommendations here and I've been very happy with them, but have always had an itch to upgrade. I think I'm ready to give in to the itch

Current system (Split use Movie / Music)
Denon X-4000
4x C-100
CC-100
Klipsch Synergy Sub-12

Current watch lists are:

Towers (3x for fronts)
-- Ideal if found on sale at a steep discount --
Energy RC-70
Energy CF-70
Polk RTI A7

-- Considering settling for --
Polk Monitor70 Series II

Bookshelf
Also considering the Energy RC-10 w/ RC-LCR and staying with bookshelf fronts. But, I want to have a noticeable improvement in sound with the purchase and am concerned staying with bookshelf speakers won't give me that.

Ideal cost is around $200 per speaker (x3). But, there is no locked budget (hence the large price range between top and bottom ).

Any input is welcome and greatly appreciated. Especially concerning whether sticking with bookshelf speakers will be worth the upgrade price, whether the Polks are similar in sound to the Energy lines and whether the three ideal listed can sometimes be found at steep discounts (hopefully around $250ea).

Thanks in advance!
The RC-LCR is on sale for $249 now at Fry's. Grab one of those for center and wait a week or two for the RC-70's to go on sale at Fry's for about $279 each and you'll be golden.
brendelac's Avatar brendelac 10:52 AM Today
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Originally Posted by UNCMT9 View Post
I currently own the Veritas 6.2, V5.2C and V Minis (although the minis are currently boxed up for relocation reasons). I'm looking for a good set of dedicated side surrounds. Would the RC 10's be a timber match? Is there something else that may be better? The comparable Energy V5.1 bookshelves are nowhere to be found. Thanks in advance, guys!
The Veritas VS surrounds are the "correct" speaker for your application, but any of the speakers you have listed would likely be adequate. A used pair of VS surrounds could cost twice as much as a brand new pair of RC10s.
afrogt's Avatar afrogt 11:39 AM Today
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The RC-LCR is on sale for $249 now at Fry's. Grab one of those for center and wait a week or two for the RC-70's to go on sale at Fry's for about $279 each and you'll be golden.
Or buy 3 LCR's if you have a good sub. They're a big jump for the C-100, C-C100 to the RC-70 or RC-LCR.

I went from C-100 to RC-10's and it was a significant upgrade. Then added RC-70 and RC LCR later which was a huge improvement.

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Towers (3x for fronts)
-- Ideal if found on sale at a steep discount --
Energy RC-70
Energy CF-70
Polk RTI A7
If one has room for 3 RC-70's up front that's would be pretty awesome!
Iron Maiden's Avatar Iron Maiden 12:07 PM Today
I'm still rocking my Veritas 2.2i's and matching 2.0c center. The 2.2i speakers still image like no other. They are great speakers. The center channel, well I've heard better. lol But it works fine in my system. I was a dealer for them at one time as well. Now that they were bought out, can't imagine they are of the same quality. Shame they stopped the Veritas line. That was a flagship line that is and was highly regarded by many reviewers. Some used them as their reference speakers. One of the reasons I have yet to replace them. But once my drivers start to die, I will have no choice but to go with new speakers. Fingers crossed they hang on.
orange260z's Avatar orange260z 02:31 PM Today
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 Any Canuck want to tell me again why Energy at FS is a bad idea? Try getting that price from a 'boutique' dealer - I guess if you're buying 20 grand in electronics they 'might' let them go for that!

If anyone was thinking of buying these - I'd say run - don't walk to your nearest FS and get them NOW.
So I know that this post that I'm "responding" to is 7 years old... but hindsight gives you 20/20 vision.

Energy at Futureshop is/was a HORRIBLE idea as it has absolutely decimated the second-hand value of these (formerly) very expensive, premium speakers. Unfortunately, I purchased from FS very early in the FS/Energy days, when the prices were only SLIGHTLY lower than boutique dealers. The only reason I bought at FS was that Regina (where I was living) had no other Energy or PSB (my other choice) dealers at the time.

I think the very heavily discounted price I paid was still over $4000 for the pair of RC-70s, RC-LCR, and 3 RC-Rs. Now they are practically worthless (well, maybe $500-700 for the towers, a couple hundred for the LCR, and maybe $300 each for the RC-Rs), while the $600 mid-1990s PSBs I bought used in 2001 for $400 are still worth about $300.

Speakers and amplifiers typically are pretty good at holding their value... until mass market shops start discounting the crap out of them.

Oh well, no time machine to undo this transaction.

On a brighter note, I recently replaced my Denon AVR3310 with a Marantz SR7007. Wow, what a difference. I really enjoyed the sound of music through the RCs from my Yamaha RXV1200, but lost that spark with the somewhat "technical" or "analytical" sound of the Denon. Although D&M share the guts, there is no way anyone can convince me that the sound is the same. The Marantz and these speakers create a much wider, deeper, and taller soundstage than the similar-spec Denon (and the Yamaha for that matter), and the highs are no longer harsh and fatiguing. I'm enjoying music through these speakers again!!!
orange260z's Avatar orange260z 03:57 PM Today
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Originally Posted by losservatore
Batpig and Afrogt have been here for very long time so they probably know if someone paid $1,000 each.

Remember that the RC-70's came out in 2005, so these are almost 10 year old models now. At that point some of these other options weren't even available. And especially considering their gorgeous real wood rosenut/cherry veneers (now long gone sadly). At the time they were considered a bargain even at msrp, and compared favorably with speakes costing quite a bit more.
I paid that, or more. I think I spent $4500 incl taxes ($4000 before tax) on a pair of RC-70s, an RC-LCR, and 3 RC-Rs in late 2007, right after they started distributing through Futureshop. And that was a SMOKIN' deal at that time - it would have cost at least another $1000 to buy them from a specialty shop, where I had first tried and fallen in love with them.

Back at that time, I did have the option of the rosenut or cherry; unfortunately Futureshop only had access to the RC-LCR in black ash veneer so I had to go with that for the set. I was willing to have rosenut/cherry across the front and the RC-Rs (only ever available in black), but the front had to match.

When I bought them, I was living in Regina, a smaller city in the Prairies. I had limited choices for a local purchase - in this league, I had access to the Energy RC, Focal Chorus 700 & 800 series, some B&W that wasn't really in the running, and Paradigm Monitor & Studio series. There was no PSB dealer in town, or they would have been up there on the list.

Of all the ones I tried, my number one choice was Paradigm Studio. However, the price gap between those and the RC was too great to justify (I think they would have cost me over $6000 for a similar 6-channel setup at the time). In hindsight, they would have been the better investment - I had no idea that Futureshop would turn these premium speakers into a dollar-store special.

I echo what airgas1998 and racebum said a few posts back - I wonder how they could be using the same components now that these speakers retail for $300 each vs $1500 each originally?

Is there anyone that has access to an "original" set and can compare to a newer "discount" set?
Kpt_Krunch's Avatar Kpt_Krunch 06:37 PM Today
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So I know that this post that I'm "responding" to is 7 years old... but hindsight gives you 20/20 vision.

Energy at Futureshop is/was a HORRIBLE idea as it has absolutely decimated the second-hand value of these (formerly) very expensive, premium speakers. Unfortunately, I purchased from FS very early in the FS/Energy days, when the prices were only SLIGHTLY lower than boutique dealers. The only reason I bought at FS was that Regina (where I was living) had no other Energy or PSB (my other choice) dealers at the time.

I think the very heavily discounted price I paid was still over $4000 for the pair of RC-70s, RC-LCR, and 3 RC-Rs. Now they are practically worthless (well, maybe $500-700 for the towers, a couple hundred for the LCR, and maybe $300 each for the RC-Rs), while the $600 mid-1990s PSBs I bought used in 2001 for $400 are still worth about $300.

Speakers and amplifiers typically are pretty good at holding their value... until mass market shops start discounting the crap out of them.

Oh well, no time machine to undo this transaction.

On a brighter note, I recently replaced my Denon AVR3310 with a Marantz SR7007. Wow, what a difference. I really enjoyed the sound of music through the RCs from my Yamaha RXV1200, but lost that spark with the somewhat "technical" or "analytical" sound of the Denon. Although D&M share the guts, there is no way anyone can convince me that the sound is the same. The Marantz and these speakers create a much wider, deeper, and taller soundstage than the similar-spec Denon (and the Yamaha for that matter), and the highs are no longer harsh and fatiguing. I'm enjoying music through these speakers again!!!
Wow - 7 years! I didn't think it was that long. Yeah, hindsight for sure. You're right but doesn't change the sound of the speaker. But if selling today, I'd be lucky to get $500 for the works (RC70's, RC-LCR, and RC10's). I too have the Veritas 2.2i's, and right now using them in place of the RC 70's for a change. I too am looking at Marantz - so it's a good match?
afrogt's Avatar afrogt 06:56 PM Today
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But if selling today, I'd be lucky to get $500 for the works (RC70's, RC-LCR, and RC10's).
Are you joking? You'd get $500 just for the RC-70 towers.

Go ahead and put you whole 5.0 set up for $500 and see how quickly it sells.
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