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I don't know if I'm posting this in the right place, but I've partially upgraded my Energy Take Classic 5.1 system and I had a question. I replaced the center speaker with a Polk Audio CS2 and replaced the two front speakers with a pair of Polk Monitor70's. This is being hooked up to the Denon 1612. My question is, will the CS2 and Monitor70's completely overpower the energy rear speakers? Will I have to upgrade my rear speakers as well?
Probably not but easy enough to just try it and see if you are happy with the sound.

When you recalibrate your receiver with the new speakers Audyssey will set levels and delays so no speaker will be louder than any other. And the receiver allows different crossovers for different speakers so the lesser bass capability of the Takes will be accounted for.

Bottom line -- try it for yourself before spending more money.
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Probably not but easy enough to just try it and see if you are happy with the sound.

When you recalibrate your receiver with the new speakers Audyssey will set levels and delays so no speaker will be louder than any other. And the receiver allows different crossovers for different speakers so the lesser bass capability of the Takes will be accounted for.

Bottom line -- try it for yourself before spending more money.
Thanks for the answer.
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God. I really really really want these at this price. My current setup is rc-10s for fronts, RC-lcr center, and CB-10s as surrounds. I also have two svs pb12-nsd on sub duty. Room is about 5000-5500 cubic feet. I'm about 80/20 movies and regular tv to music. I listen to music in two channel stereo w the subs working.

Taking into account room size and my two subs, would this be a significant upgrade my my rc-10s? The 10s would get sold or saved for another room down the road, just too big for surrounds (waf).

Money really isn't an issue, but i told my wife a while ago I was done after she let me get my second sub. So....you can kind of see what I am looking at here.
I'm confused -- you can use CB-10's for surrounds but the RC-10's are too big? They are basically the same size.

Or is that a type and you meant CR-10's?

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I couldn't bring myself to take the RC-70 speakers back so I decided to keep them.

Just for the picture, I've got one RC-10 on a 28" Pangea metal speaker stand on the left, the RC-LCR in the middle, and the RC-70 on the right.

I have 2 different receivers, one is a vintage Technics SA-500 and the other is a Harman Kardon AVR 340. The funny thing is, both receivers put out the Dane power (in real watts). The Technics puts out 55 x 2 @ 8 ohms and the HK puts out 55 x 3 (or 5, or 7).

I'm debating if I should pick up a newer AVR that has HDMI inputs & outputs.

I like the sound through the Technics but I'm wondering which modern day manufacturer would be the equivalent of the Technics.

Any suggestions as to what pairs well with the Energy RC series?

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How would I know if I blew the crossover in my speakers? I have a pair of RC-30 speakers and had an issue with my receiver where it randomly played a loud sound (high in pitch). My tweeters and woofer seem ok, but I wanted to know the signs of a blown crossover.

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Any suggestions as to what pairs well with the Energy RC series?
Interesting "mich-mack" speaker set-up, but I imagine it sounds good still.

I would get one of the latest-generation Denon receivers, can't go wrong:
AVR-X4000
AVR-X3000
AVR-X5200W
AVR-X3100W
AVR-X2100W
etc.,...

Get as much horse power as you can afford, period. And the latest features. Get rid of the old-school stuff.
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Interesting "mich-mack" speaker set-up, but I imagine it sounds good still.

I would get one of the latest-generation Denon receivers, can't go wrong:
AVR-X4000
AVR-X3000
AVR-X5200W
AVR-X3100W
AVR-X2100W
etc.,...

Get as much horse power as you can afford, period. And the latest features. Get rid of the old-school stuff.
The miss match is just for the photo, so you can see the difference between the RC-10 bookshelf speaker and the RC-70 floorstanding speaker. The RC-LCR will remain as the center channel.

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The miss match is just for the photo, so you can see the difference between the RC-10 bookshelf speaker and the RC-70 floorstanding speaker. The RC-LCR will remain as the center channel.

Thanks for your advice 😊
Nice setup.

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Interesting "mich-mack" speaker set-up, but I imagine it sounds good still.

I would get one of the latest-generation Denon receivers, can't go wrong:
AVR-X4000
AVR-X3000
AVR-X5200W
AVR-X3100W
AVR-X2100W
etc.,...

Get as much horse power as you can afford, period. And the latest features. Get rid of the old-school stuff.
I don't know - I like some of the old school stuff. Some nice equipment is still useable.

I use a Pioneer Elite VSX-33 w / 120wpc with my RC setup. I don't think that the demand is huge with the RC's, which are efficient speakers. 50 Watts would seem to be fine, unless you're hearing some issues.

I buy AVRs for reasonable power, but just as much for the room correction and some other features.
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The miss match is just for the photo, so you can see the difference between the RC-10 bookshelf speaker and the RC-70 floorstanding speaker. The RC-LCR will remain as the center channel.

Thanks for your advice 😊
If you're not into the new surround codecs (Dolby Atmos DTS:X) and don't have plans to go that route anytime soon, go with the Denon 4520.

I have the front RC-70 and RC-LCR combo in a large, odd shaped room and it does a great job.
My surrounds are some old bookshelf Infinity's that sound awesome with 5.1 channel surround music and movies but I purchased some Polk FXiA6's that will take over that duty soon.

I have an old Technics receiver in a closet and really loved the sound of it also.
I might break it out for some good 2.1 channel listening soon.
See if it still lives up to what I remember.
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I have 2 different receivers, one is a vintage Technics SA-500 and the other is a Harman Kardon AVR 340. The funny thing is, both receivers put out the Dane power (in real watts). The Technics puts out 55 x 2 @ 8 ohms and the HK puts out 55 x 3 (or 5, or 7).

I'm debating if I should pick up a newer AVR that has HDMI inputs & outputs.

I like the sound through the Technics but I'm wondering which modern day manufacturer would be the equivalent of the Technics.

Any suggestions as to what pairs well with the Energy RC series?
I absolutely loved being able to switch everything over to HDMI. Not to mention ARC, wifi, etc. I know a lot of us are Denon fans (probably more than a few, like me, inspired by batpig), but I don't think you can go wrong with any of the popular modern-day brands (denon/Marantz, onkyo, Yamaha, etc). I would recommend a couple things: 1. get the best room correction you can, 2. figure out what features you want (Pandora, zone2, stuff like that..)


On a separate note, have you tried moving those 70s out from the wall? I know it starts becoming an aesthetic (and possibly practicality) issue, but I've read many times that the 70s do best with a couple feet of clearance and I'd be curious if you notice a difference.
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I absolutely loved being able to switch everything over to HDMI. Not to mention ARC, wifi, etc. I know a lot of us are Denon fans (probably more than a few, like me, inspired by batpig), but I don't think you can go wrong with any of the popular modern-day brands (denon/Marantz, onkyo, Yamaha, etc). I would recommend a couple things: 1. get the best room correction you can, 2. figure out what features you want (Pandora, zone2, stuff like that..)


On a separate note, have you tried moving those 70s out from the wall? I know it starts becoming an aesthetic (and possibly practicality) issue, but I've read many times that the 70s do best with a couple feet of clearance and I'd be curious if you notice a difference.
Yeah, or use the port plugs?
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I'm wondering which modern day manufacturer would be the equivalent of the Technics
the current Denon, Marantz, and others sound as good, if not better. Audyssey EQ, alone, is an advantage. Also network capable functions- streaming, auto-updates, app's, etc.,...
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Curious if Frys has been putting the RC-LCR's or RC-10's on sale as well. I have been watching but have not seen them. If so, what have they been selling for?
I want to replace my Energy XL-15's with some RC's for surround back duty.
Most likely go for a pair of the 10's but would love to compare the LCR to the Veritas 2.0C. Curious which does dialog better.
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the current Denon, Marantz, and others sound as good, if not better. Audyssey EQ, alone, is an advantage. Also network capable functions- streaming, auto-updates, app's, etc.,...
Denon & Marantz are one in the same, made by the same company and put into different packages.

Similar to when Chevrolet & Pontiac produced cats that were the "same" but used slightly different packaging. Dodge / Plymouth. Ford / Mercury.

My point is, such receivers pair well with the Energy RC series?

If the RC series is "laid back" do I want a laid back receiver as well, or do I want a "bright" sounding receiver instead?

I have a slimline Marantz NR-1402 paired with some Polk Audio RTi6 speakers and the combo sounds very good.

I had different polk audio speakers paired with the HK years ago and I also had a Yamaha paired with polks, but the Yamaha polk combo was a little too bright/forward for my taste.


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Curious if Frys has been putting the RC-LCR's or RC-10's on sale as well. I have been watching but have not seen them. If so, what have they been selling for?
I want to replace my Energy XL-15's with some RC's for surround back duty.
Most likely go for a pair of the 10's but would love to compare the LCR to the Veritas 2.0C. Curious which does dialog better.
I used to have an Atlantic Tech THX450 center channel. Should have never sold it. Best center I have ever heard!
Last time Frys had them at $219.99 for the RC-LCR with free shipping. On the other hand, the RC-10 are on sale for $199.99. for one day only, pick up in store only. Otherwise, the RC-10 were priced at $229.99 with free shipping. Depending on what you drive and how far away you live from a Frys Electronics brick & mortar store, it might be less expensive & more convenient to buy them for $229 & have them shipped to you.


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Are the RC-10's wall-mountable (without drilling into the speaker), and are there any recommendations on brackets (if they are)?
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Last time Frys had them at $219.99 for the RC-LCR with free shipping. On the other hand, the RC-10 are on sale for $199.99. for one day only, pick up in store only.
Where are the RC-10 advertised at $199? I called Fry's and they weren't aware of it, but then the guy in charge got on the phone and said that if I can show that they're on sale (anywhere, they'll price match...though it should be Fry's anyway?) then they'll respect the price.

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Where are the RC-10 advertised at $199? I called Fry's and they weren't aware of it, but then the guy in charge got on the phone and said that if I can show that they're on sale (anywhere, they'll price match...though it should be Fry's anyway?) then they'll respect the price.

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Sorry, auto correct entered "are" instead of "were."

Frys Electronics had the RC-10 on sale for $199.99, in store only and for one day only, on January 27th, 2015.

The next day, on the 28th, the RC-70 went on sale, in store only and for one day only, for $249.99 each.

I picked up the two of the RC-70 and an RC-LCR (on sale for $219.99) that day, but I couldn't get the RC-10 at the sale price as well.

I would think it would be better to have them all on sale all on the same day. I wouldn't make two trips out there two days in a row.


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Sorry, auto correct entered "are" instead of "were."

Frys Electronics had the RC-10 on sale for $199.99, in store only and for one day only, on January 27th, 2015.
Haha, how sad -- and here I was getting ready to drive to Fry's right now...
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Denon & Marantz are one in the same, made by the same company and put into different packages
yep, (Denon & Marantz) D&M Holdings, Inc.,...They were separate design groups prior to aquisition, but now engage in product-sharing. Although can't precisely say that each and every Denon and Marantz are completely equal respectively, part-for-part, circuit-for-circuit- at least I would'nt say that.

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My point is, such receivers pair well with the Energy RC series? If the RC series is "laid back" do I want a laid back receiver as well, or do I want a "bright" sounding receiver instead?
yeah, I know what you're getting at. But I don't, personally, weigh-in so much on reciever-brand/speaker-brand combo effect. I'm more concerned with quality product design/fabrication, and dynamic power output capabilities.

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I have a slimline Marantz NR-1402 paired with some Polk Audio RTi6 speakers and the combo sounds very good
In one system, I'm using a Denon AVR-2112CI paired with original RC-30 fronts and RC-LCR center, performs very nice.

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I had different polk audio speakers paired with the HK years ago and I also had a Yamaha paired with polks, but the Yamaha polk combo was a little too bright/forward for my taste.
In another set-up, using the same front surround, years back, I used a Yamaha RX-V1600 (also RX-V2700), sounded very nice as well.

To be honest I could'nt really say one set-up was more brite that the other (without actually switching from one-to-the-other instantly) just from memory. What I do notice, or remember, is how dynamically they differed. I thought both, the Denon and Yamaha, yield very resolute analog 2ch sound. It really came down to the mix quality of the source (ie. CD, SACD, etc.,...). And listening via-Audyssey is whole separate experience, an additional dimension of audio experience, I think.
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Are the RC-10's wall-mountable (without drilling into the speaker), and are there any recommendations on brackets (if they are)?
I just mounted my RC-10's on the wall using the brackets in the link below. These were suggested on this site to me a few weeks ago. So far so good. No drilling into the speaker required.

http://www.amazon.com/VideoSecu-Clam...ount+bookshelf
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I just mounted my RC-10's on the wall using the brackets in the link below. These were suggested on this site to me a few weeks ago. So far so good. No drilling into the speaker required.

http://www.amazon.com/VideoSecu-Clam...ount+bookshelf
On the back of my RC-10 there is a threaded insert, for use with some type of wall mount system I'd imagine. Using the port plugs with a wall mount and they should be fine.


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Though I should ask here. Have and love my master bedroom system. Rc70, rc lcr and veritas vs surrounds. Living room is all definitive. Bp 7001, clr3000, sm350, bpvx. Have a chance to get veritas 6.3 and 5.2 center in rosenut. Than I'd get rc line for my surrounds( rc70,rc10,rc lcr). Should I get the veritas and sell the definitive speakers?

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I just mounted my RC-10's on the wall using the brackets in the link below. These were suggested on this site to me a few weeks ago. So far so good. No drilling into the speaker required.

http://www.amazon.com/VideoSecu-Clam...ount+bookshelf
Thank you...I will have to tuck that product away in-mind for later use. Bummer that I thought that sale was TODAY only, haha...boo!
Methinks they'd make wonderful height speakers.
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With this RC-10 talk I've been doing, it does bring me to a question:

I have my newly-fixed Audissey A 2+2's (tweeter swapped out and working like a champ), which got me on the path that led me to the APS 5+2's in my secondary room. My plan was to try and use the 2+2's as wides...but my room setup currently is pretty hard-pressed for room...not sure if I have enough room to make them work per the Audyssey Wides instructions.

If I don't have room for them, I can't really figure out what a good use for them would be. Whereas some smaller speakers like RC-10's might make nice height speakers (and perhaps eventual Atmos ceiling speakers -- open to other speaker models as well that would work well).

If I sold off the 2+2's to try and raise funds for heights...what might be a fair price to try and sell them for? They are indeed stellar bang-for-buck speakers.
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Are the RC-10's wall-mountable (without drilling into the speaker), and are there any recommendations on brackets (if they are)?
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On the back of my RC-10 there is a threaded insert, for use with some type of wall mount system I'd imagine. Using the port plugs with a wall mount and they should be fine.
The original mount that Energy used for the RC-10 was called the Macromount, a very nice working mount, but those have been discontinued for years and are extremely hard to find.... The insert in the RC-10 uses a 3/8 X 16 thread... and the Omnimount 20.0 model mount (also getting hard to find for some reason) uses that thread. I have used this mount successfully over the years and actually have a pair available for sale as I no longer am using my RC-10s as wide speakers anymore... Drop me a line if anyone is interested in them...
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The insert in the RC-10 uses a 3/8 X 16 thread... and the Omnimount 20.0 model mount (also getting hard to find for some reason) uses that thread. I have used this mount successfully over the years and actually have a pair available for sale as I no longer am using my RC-10s as wide speakers anymore... Drop me a line if anyone is interested in them...
I will definitely shoot you a PM if I end up picking up a pair of RC-10's. Unless they are on sale, I will definitely have to sell off my A2+2's first though. Thank you for the info!!
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