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post #53671 of 53696 Old 04-28-2015, 08:52 PM
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New Energy owner here. Just had 2 RC-70s delivered Friday. I'm patiently breaking them in now. Got them for the $249 price.... Outstanding speakers for the money.
I tried to get the RC-LCR at the sale price, but it was store pickup only, and I live 264 miles from the nearest Frys. I ALMOST bought it and made a road trip,, but backed out.
Now the price is way high.
Do you think they'll offer the $199 price with shipping again?
Just wondering what the trend has been....
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Do you think the 28's are a step up sonically from the RC-70's? I imagine the smaller 15's are probably more comparable.
It's safe to say they are a sonic step up. More detail than the 70's, but still super smooth. Obviously they have substantially more bass output, which can be problematic without RC unless you have a gigantic room (and might not matter if you use with subs). The soundstage is the sweetness for the OMD-28's though. When I first got the 28's, I put them in the same room as the Veritas 1.8's . The width of soundstage was comparable, but the depth of the 28's was astonishing. I still preferred the 1.8's for 2-channel music listening.

The soundstage of the 28's seems to be largely unaffected by moving them to the TV room. So I'm not unhappy that the wife told me to keep them there instead of putting the RC-70's back in their place

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I would definitley love a pair of mahogany 1.8's! That's sort of my pipe dream speaker. Since you are in AZ, I can assume you're making an oblique reference to these? http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ele/4969864672.html
I was! I went and took a look at those and unfortunately they looked a little rough. The seller and I were off by a couple Benjamin's, otherwise I would have been trying out a quadrophonic Veritas 1.8 system!

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Considering I already have 13 speakers and 2 subwoofers stashed away (plus the room I'm going to use has in-ceiling speakers already) I'm basically set to run a full 11ch Atmos setup without spending a dime on speakers, so I'll have to leave that dream in the pipe for the time being.
That's a lot of (Energy?) speakers! Hopefully you'll get to start enjoying those soon (with Atmos)!

BTW - Sorry for dropping out for so long. I had to go on an extended business trip. Still on it, but more free time now
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Hey guys,
I stated this thread it would be great if you guys could weigh in or consider trying my proposal.

Modifying Energy RC 70
I've wondered for a while now how disconnecting the crossovers and doing some active bi-amping would work out on the RC-70's. You should be able to achieve optimum crossover without being an electronics wiz. If you're not familiar with the process and/or have the right hardware, it might still be a bit of a challenge. That's been my barrier to attempting it (and time ).
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New Energy owner here. Just had 2 RC-70s delivered Friday. I'm patiently breaking them in now. Got them for the $249 price.... Outstanding speakers for the money.
I tried to get the RC-LCR at the sale price, but it was store pickup only, and I live 264 miles from the nearest Frys. I ALMOST bought it and made a road trip,, but backed out.
Now the price is way high.
Do you think they'll offer the $199 price with shipping again?
Just wondering what the trend has been....
Terry
Even $219 or $229 with free shipping is cheaper than you making the drive..

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Hey guys, I currently have 2x RC-10, an RC-LCR, and a S10.3. I've noticed that RC-70s are on the market again, would like to use them for L and R channels but am wondering why they're so cheap. Are they a lower build quality than the old ones or are they same? Anything else I should know before jumping on a pair when Fry's puts them on sale again?

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Hey guys, I currently have 2x RC-10, an RC-LCR, and a S10.3. I've noticed that RC-70s are on the market again, would like to use them for L and R channels but am wondering why they're so cheap. Are they a lower build quality than the old ones or are they same? Anything else I should know before jumping on a pair when Fry's puts them on sale again?
Nobody really knows WHY they have become so cheap. But remember that these are 10 year old designs which have been "officially" discontinued for about 3-4 years, so all of the "loaded cost" of initial R&D, marketing etc. has probably been fully absorbed long ago. Plus Energy has been bought out twice in the intervening years, first by Klipsch and then Klipsch group was bought out by Audiovox.

Not sure if you are familiar with the recent history but after the RC line was discontinued, Vanns struck up some sort of special exclusive arrangement where they continued to offer RC-70, RC-10 and RC-LCR models in black for a couple of years at pretty steeply discounted prices. Vanns declared bankruptcy and the RC's disappeared for a while, and then suddenly they reappeared at Fry's, so presumably a new special exclusive arrangement was made with Audiovox.

In terms of pricing, besides the factor I noted initially (Audiovox producing these now doesn't have to account for the R&D costs of Energy 10-12 years ago, and there is zero marketing) it's probably safe to assume that Audiovox has been able to lower production costs due to scale (they are a huge country with likely a vast array of connections to Chinese production). Plus it wouldn't be surprising if they have cut minor corners, e.g. using a slightly cheaper MDF for the cabinets, cheaper components in the crossover, etc. AFAIK nobody has taken apart an "old" RC-70 vs a new one and examined the crossovers or other internal components. I doubt any of the changes result in much if any audible difference -- those who've owned older and newer haven't reported any decrease in sound quality. They probably save some money on distribution by having an exclusive arrangement with one vendor.

Originally RC-70's sold for $1k apiece. Probably safe to assume wholesale cost was around 35-40% of that, so maybe $350-400? So now 10 years later, due to various factors like I've speculated about above, they've managed to cut that cost in half to $175-200ish... that gives them enough margin to sell them at $250/each on sales. This is all just spitballing on my part.

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Nobody really knows WHY they have become so cheap. But remember that these are 10 year old designs which have been "officially" discontinued for about 3-4 years, so all of the "loaded cost" of initial R&D, marketing etc. has probably been fully absorbed long ago. Plus Energy has been bought out twice in the intervening years, first by Klipsch and then Klipsch group was bought out by Audiovox.

Not sure if you are familiar with the recent history but after the RC line was discontinued, Vanns struck up some sort of special exclusive arrangement where they continued to offer RC-70, RC-10 and RC-LCR models in black for a couple of years at pretty steeply discounted prices. Vanns declared bankruptcy and the RC's disappeared for a while, and then suddenly they reappeared at Fry's, so presumably a new special exclusive arrangement was made with Audiovox.

In terms of pricing, besides the factor I noted initially (Audiovox producing these now doesn't have to account for the R&D costs of Energy 10-12 years ago, and there is zero marketing) it's probably safe to assume that Audiovox has been able to lower production costs due to scale (they are a huge country with likely a vast array of connections to Chinese production). Plus it wouldn't be surprising if they have cut minor corners, e.g. using a slightly cheaper MDF for the cabinets, cheaper components in the crossover, etc. AFAIK nobody has taken apart an "old" RC-70 vs a new one and examined the crossovers or other internal components. I doubt any of the changes result in much if any audible difference -- those who've owned older and newer haven't reported any decrease in sound quality. They probably save some money on distribution by having an exclusive arrangement with one vendor.

Originally RC-70's sold for $1k apiece. Probably safe to assume wholesale cost was around 35-40% of that, so maybe $350-400? So now 10 years later, due to various factors like I've speculated about above, they've managed to cut that cost in half to $175-200ish... that gives them enough margin to sell them at $250/each on sales. This is all just spitballing on my part.
Thanks for the quick reply batpig! That answers my question. I was afraid there was something everyone on this thread new about the new models but if that isn't the case, I'll buy with confidence and finish up my system. I'm so excited!

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I bought a pair or RC-10's 6 years ago and another pair last year. They sound and weigh the same and build quality is the same too.

Bought a pair or RC-70's about 27 months ago from Fry's. The weight was the same as the original RC-70's and sound great. Build quality is excellent. It would be difficult to find another tower speaker for $250 with this build quality and sound.

If you've got a Fry's close by its a no brainer to try them out when on sale. You can always return if you don't like them.

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I've been looking for a pair of surrounds to match with my pair of RC-70 and RC-LCR setup. I'll be getting the RC-10's for rears, an SVS PB-1000 for the sub, with a Denon X2100W receiver. Been waiting for an RC-R pair or Veritas V-S pair to come up used, but are there any other surrounds that you guys recommend with a budget of ~$300? I know it's not too important to match the surrounds. I've looked into the Polk FXiA4's, any comments on those? Thanks!
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I've been looking for a pair of surrounds to match with my pair of RC-70 and RC-LCR setup. I'll be getting the RC-10's for rears, an SVS PB-1000 for the sub, with a Denon X2100W receiver. Been waiting for an RC-R pair or Veritas V-S pair to come up used, but are there any other surrounds that you guys recommend with a budget of ~$300? I know it's not too important to match the surrounds. I've looked into the Polk FXiA4's, any comments on those? Thanks!
Yeah I'm in the same boat too. I'm picking up some Energy C-R3's tomorrow for $75, hopefully they'll match up ok.
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I found these up by Seattle. Opinions on the price? Seems like he might be a little optimistic with his pricing since they were about $3000 new for the pair and I have seen a smattering of postings of people finding them for $500-$800 per speaker and it looks like Crutchfield closed them out for $800 per speaker.


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My opinion on the price is that it's a total ripoff, there is no way he will EVER get that much for them trying to sell on Craigslist.

You always get these jokers who post items on Craigslist or eBay for ridiculously inflated prices. Some of them are so stubborn and/or so hopeful they will find a sucker that they will list items for YEARS without adjusting the price. There is a guy here in San Diego who has been trying to sell a pair of older Connoisseur C-4 speakers for, literally, over EIGHT YEARS. It doesn't seem to have sunk in that they are overpriced!!

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I agree. I would be much more comfortable and inclined to drive the 2 1/2 hours to get them if they were $1000 for the pair.
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I've been looking for a pair of surrounds to match with my pair of RC-70 and RC-LCR setup. I'll be getting the RC-10's for rears, an SVS PB-1000 for the sub, with a Denon X2100W receiver. Been waiting for an RC-R pair or Veritas V-S pair to come up used, but are there any other surrounds that you guys recommend with a budget of ~$300? I know it's not too important to match the surrounds. I've looked into the Polk FXiA4's, any comments on those? Thanks!
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I agree. I would be much more comfortable and inclined to drive the 2 1/2 hours to get them if they were $1000 for the pair.
If they're brand new I personally think they are worth at least 1k for the pair. I found what I considered to be a good deal on mine for 1050 for the pair plus the matching 5.2 center and mine were used. I love the speakers. I think they sound really good.
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I agree. I would be much more comfortable and inclined to drive the 2 1/2 hours to get them if they were $1000 for the pair.
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This probably won't help your cause, but you might point out this ad to the seller of the pair you're looking at and ask him nicely to re-consider his asking price. 900 Canadian dollars is equal to 740 US dollars. Too bad they are nowhere near you.

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It would be difficult to find another tower speaker for $250 with this build quality and sound.

That was the exact sentiment a few years ago by some reviewers when retail here in BC was $1250......... each.

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$2,500 for the speakers is totally ridiculous ,he probably paid $1,200 ,that's what I paid for my Veritas V towers brand new with free shipping.

This guy want more than double of what he paid for the speakers.

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$2,500 for the speakers is totally ridiculous ,he probably paid $1,200 ,that's what I paid for my Veritas V towers brand new with free shipping.

This guy want more than double of what he paid for the speakers.
Agreed...total ripoff. I paid $429 each for brand new V6.3's in Rosenut back in December 2013, which I think were a rarer find than the black.

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Have always found the Veritas line odd. The original 2.8/1.8's are considered the best of all of them. Then the second generation came out and it took them a revision to the I series to get those right. Then the final generation to me just looks like a nicer looking Reference Connoisseur. Same designer as I understand it. Wouldn't you think they would have got better as they progressed? Never heard the newer ones shown above, what is different from the RC-70s? Drivers look the same. Tapered crossovers.
Was the designer ever interviewed about his Veritas history? I still remember the 2.8's/1.8's being raved about in mags and on covers, Yet they were not around very long. The 2nd gen came around and had a pretty long run. Curious why the designer went away from the dome mid that was a Veritas trademark. Can anyone comment on the tweeters in the 3rd gens, are they basically the RC tweets or are they different? Compare to the older Veritas tweets?

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Good read on this topic..
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums...-review.74852/


I didn't realize the final Veritas line(3rd gens) were designed under the Klipsch era. Guess it answers my question as to why they went away with the dome mids. Shame the true Veritas designer didn't get a 3rd go at that line.

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Energy RC-70 is back at Frys for $249 Each.

It seems $249 is regular sale price every other week and it may touch $199 occasionally during big sale.
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I didn't realize the final Veritas line(3rd gens) were designed under the Klipsch era. Guess it answers my question as to why they went away with the dome mids. Shame the true Veritas designer didn't get a 3rd go at that line.
Pretty good summary. I've no experience with the Klipsch veritas, and some prefer it, IMO I lucked out getting my two RC systems before the fall. So the lingering RC's to me are a very good deal if (as reported) they perform similar to the originals.
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Agreed...total ripoff. I paid $429 each for brand new V6.3's in Rosenut back in December 2013, which I think were a rarer find than the black.
Wow I wish I could have bought another pair for this price.
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Have always found the Veritas line odd. The original 2.8/1.8's are considered the best of all of them. Then the second generation came out and it took them a revision to the I series to get those right. Then the final generation to me just looks like a nicer looking Reference Connoisseur. Same designer as I understand it. Wouldn't you think they would have got better as they progressed? Never heard the newer ones shown above, what is different from the RC-70s? Drivers look the same. Tapered crossovers.
Was the designer ever interviewed about his Veritas history? I still remember the 2.8's/1.8's being raved about in mags and on covers, Yet they were not around very long. The 2nd gen came around and had a pretty long run. Curious why the designer went away from the dome mid that was a Veritas trademark. Can anyone comment on the tweeters in the 3rd gens, are they basically the RC tweets or are they different? Compare to the older Veritas tweets?
Unfortunately, making a higher quality product does not make the profit that lower quality chinese manufacturing does. With the 2.8s MSRP of $6000 back in their production days (1993-2001 I think?). Translate that into today's dollars and then add the cost of a matching center and surround speakers. How many of us Energy fans would be able and willing to buy their product, regardless of how good it is?

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Planning to get a pair of RC70 from Frys. I'm not a hardcore audiophile. The system may just stay 2.0 or at max 3.1 in the future. If I pick up the Denon AVRS500, will it be too underkilled for the RC70's?
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