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post #54481 of 54730 Old 02-09-2016, 11:05 AM
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Please refer to posts #54466 and #54467. I'll see if I can provide pics sometime soon.
Duh! lol
Have you had a chance to go back and forth between the 70's and the new 2.3's?
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I have RC70 towers pair on my closet collecting dust. Planning to let them go. Any interested?

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Would the Energy CF-70 be a worthy upgrade over the Infinity P363?

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I don't think Infinity makes a CF-70.

I'm guessing you mean Energy CF-70 vs Infinity P363? I think that would be a good test but probably a lateral move than a upgrade.

Here's a good review of the Infinity
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/arti...3-loudspeaker/

And two for the Energy CF-70
http://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/s...f-70-speakers/
http://hometheaterreview.com/energy-...aker-reviewed/


Speaker preference is really subjective so its best that you listen to each speaker if you can.

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Duh! lol
Have you had a chance to go back and forth between the 70's and the new 2.3's?
I bought my 70's on a whim, just because they were such a good deal at Frys. They ended up as surround back channels. I'm gonna keep hunting down a pair of Veritas towers.
The 2.3i's are clearly superior. There is no going back. I bought the 70's from Fry's also, reasoning that I liked the other RC's, bought from Vann's and Meijer. I think the 70's might be ok for HT, but in my 2.0 set-up, I was disappointed. My HT set-up is 3 RC-LCR's and a pair of VS surrounds, with which I am still satisfied.
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Energy Veritas 1.8 $850 Los Angeles

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Damn, and I'm in LA for the weekend! Im sure they will be gone by the time I get back.
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Damn, and I'm in LA for the weekend! Im sure they will be gone by the time I get back.
The listing is from LA, not San Francisco.

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The listing is from LA, not San Francisco.
Sorry, you're correct. I just saw SF (valley) and my mind went to San Francisco. SF would be San Fernando then? Being over 2000 kilometers away, I don't know my Californian geography too well.
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Sorry, you're correct. I just saw SF (valley) and my mind went to San Francisco. SF would be San Fernando then? Being over 2000 kilometers away, I don't know my Californian geography too well.
Yup, it's in San Fernando Valley. I've actually never seen it written "SF valley" anywhere else, but it does make sense I guess. If you live down there (and I used to), it's usually just "the valley". And completely off-topic but if you want to know what it's like, watch The Big Lebowski. I love the place.

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Hello all,

Current set-up

Energy Cf-50 Towers
Energy CC-5 center channel
Energy Cb-10 surrounds

Receiver is an older Denon AVR 1612 (rated at 75 watts per channel, but probably less when all channels are driven)

Right now my speakers sound incredibly accurate, but weaken at higher volumes and can become harsh. Also, the mids and lows or the towers are very very weak, which I would imagine is a result of them being underpowered.

I will not be changing the speakers. The center channel fits perfectly in my cabinet, the surrounds are on Sanus stands behind my couch and the towers are a gift from a family member a few years ago.

If you were me, and you were in the market for a new AV receiver under $1,000, where would you lean as far as power rating and mating with the energy speakers to get the best out of them. By no way am I unhappy with my current Denon, but before I buy another one, I was looking at Yamaha Aventage and Marantz.

Also, would someone care to specify what RMS I SHOULD be giving my speakers, in an ideal situation, which may help with my picking a new receiver with adequate but not too much power. Thanks
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Hello all,

Current set-up

Energy Cf-50 Towers
Energy CC-5 center channel
Energy Cb-10 surrounds

Receiver is an older Denon AVR 1612 (rated at 75 watts per channel, but probably less when all channels are driven)

Right now my speakers sound incredibly accurate, but weaken at higher volumes and can become harsh. Also, the mids and lows or the towers are very very weak, which I would imagine is a result of them being underpowered.

I will not be changing the speakers. The center channel fits perfectly in my cabinet, the surrounds are on Sanus stands behind my couch and the towers are a gift from a family member a few years ago.

If you were me, and you were in the market for a new AV receiver under $1,000, where would you lean as far as power rating and mating with the energy speakers to get the best out of them. By no way am I unhappy with my current Denon, but before I buy another one, I was looking at Yamaha Aventage and Marantz.

Also, would someone care to specify what RMS I SHOULD be giving my speakers, in an ideal situation, which may help with my picking a new receiver with adequate but not too much power. Thanks
A nice sub would take a load off the AVR and possibly give you some headroom on the mains.

Maybe that and a 2 channel amp if that receiver has pre-outs?
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A nice sub would take a load off the AVR and possibly give you some headroom on the mains.

Maybe that and a 2 channel amp if that receiver has pre-outs?
Forgot to add I have a powered sub...
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Man v1.8s for 850 is a great deal. Anyone know if they use the exact same tweeter as the 2.8s? I know the woofers are a bit smaller. I got my 2.8s on craigslist last spring...dude delivered them to my house (he drove from maine to PA...apparently was on his way to florida) for a total of 1100 or 1200! Still love them every day!

I also have had the v6.3 and then then v2.4i
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Hello all,

Current set-up

Energy Cf-50 Towers
Energy CC-5 center channel
Energy Cb-10 surrounds

Receiver is an older Denon AVR 1612 (rated at 75 watts per channel, but probably less when all channels are driven)

Right now my speakers sound incredibly accurate, but weaken at higher volumes and can become harsh. Also, the mids and lows or the towers are very very weak, which I would imagine is a result of them being underpowered.

I will not be changing the speakers. The center channel fits perfectly in my cabinet, the surrounds are on Sanus stands behind my couch and the towers are a gift from a family member a few years ago.

If you were me, and you were in the market for a new AV receiver under $1,000, where would you lean as far as power rating and mating with the energy speakers to get the best out of them. By no way am I unhappy with my current Denon, but before I buy another one, I was looking at Yamaha Aventage and Marantz.

Also, would someone care to specify what RMS I SHOULD be giving my speakers, in an ideal situation, which may help with my picking a new receiver with adequate but not too much power. Thanks
Yes, your speakers definitely need more power. Do you listen to your speakers at very high volume? Because if you do, 75 wpc ( and not even near that with all channels driven...) is indeed far from enough to get good sound at higher volumes...

I'm with laserjock on that. Get an amp. You can buy a decent AVR with pre-outs , and add an amp later on. For high volume listening, you'll love the headroom you'll get with one. If you are ok with used gear, I'm pretty sure you could score a 1000$ AVR/ amp combo that would please you a lot.

or you could do a refurb like that one, if you don't care for atmos /DTS-X just yet...It's an older Avr, but still a very nice one. Here is IMHO a killer combo for a little more budget :

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...uced-80/1.html

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http://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/xpa-5

= 1319... Ok it's 319 more than the budget, but I really think it's worth the wait to up the budget a little and get the power you deserve... and need

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Man v1.8s for 850 is a great deal. Anyone know if they use the exact same tweeter as the 2.8s? I know the woofers are a bit smaller. I got my 2.8s on craigslist last spring...dude delivered them to my house (he drove from maine to PA...apparently was on his way to florida) for a total of 1100 or 1200! Still love them every day!

I also have had the v6.3 and then then v2.4i
I believe the tweeters are the same, but I have been wrong before.

How do the 2.8s compare to the the 2.4s? Knowing the speakers as you do, if you owned the 2.4s only, would you still buy a pair of 2.8s or 1.8s for fair market value?
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My 2 cents; I have an older mid 1990s Yamaha 5.1 HTR-5450 AVR in one of my set-ups that I think is only 80 watts per. My Front speakers are Polk Rt55i bookshelfs and I easily get 85 dB of sound on CDs with the AVR only up 1/4 on the volume knob.

At 1/3 on the knob I am pushing (at 10 feet away) over 90 dB with zero distortion. So I don't understand why people say you need a powerful amp to crank sound. I believe you need10x the power to double the SPL
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My 2 cents; I have an older mid 1990s Yamaha 5.1 HTR-5450 AVR in one of my set-ups that I think is only 80 watts per. My Front speakers are Polk Rt55i bookshelfs and I easily get 85 dB of sound on CDs with the AVR only up 1/4 on the volume knob.

At 1/3 on the knob I am pushing (at 10 feet away) over 90 dB with zero distortion. So I don't understand why people say you need a powerful amp to crank sound. I believe you need10x the power to double the SPL
You don't need to double the spl with a monster amp for sure... But if you want to do listen to music at high volumes with the best sound quality, it really helps... Headroom for peaks is always a must... An amp doesn't not only add volume...
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We were down in SoCal too. Have the cash so could have afforded it. But drove down in a small car with 3 of us. No backseat space and wouldn't fit in the trunk. Damn. If it wasn't a 6hr drive, I would drive back and get them.

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I believe the tweeters are the same, but I have been wrong before.

How do the 2.8s compare to the the 2.4s? Knowing the speakers as you do, if you owned the 2.4s only, would you still buy a pair of 2.8s or 1.8s for fair market value?
Well, what is the market value for the 2.4i, 1.8, and 2.8? The benefit of the 2.4i is that parts are still somewhat available although they are difficult to find. I really wish I found spare parts for sale for the v2.8 but have not really for quite some time. The v2.8 give off a good bit more deep output/bass than the v2.4 and the sound seems a bit more full/rich (similarly to the difference between 2.4i and v6.3 but not quite as much).
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Well, what is the market value for the 2.4i, 1.8, and 2.8? The benefit of the 2.4i is that parts are still somewhat available although they are difficult to find. I really wish I found spare parts for sale for the v2.8 but have not really for quite some time. The v2.8 give off a good bit more deep output/bass than the v2.4 and the sound seems a bit more full/rich (similarly to the difference between 2.4i and v6.3 but not quite as much).
That's a good question - I was just trying to determine if the first generation veritas are a worthwhile purchase for someone like myself that already owns a pair of second generation 2.3s. It seems like there wouldn't be a night-and-day difference, but still I am curious to hear them for myself.

Obviously there are a few variables, but my guesstimate on fair market value would be $1000 for the 1.8s, $1750 for the 2.8s and somewhere in between for the 2.4s.
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I would guess the 1.8s and 2.8s probably sell for 300-400 more than your estimates, but i could be wrong as i havent really been looking at prices for the past year or so. I think my last post wasnt really clear. I recall my initial impressions of the speakers more than the sound itself (as we have very short auditory memories), and i recall noticing a bigger difference when i moved from the 2.4is to the 2.8s than i did when i moved from the 6.3s to the 2.4is (although, that move was also quite noticeable and satisfying). I was pleased with each move that i made. (I still have my 2.4is boxed away).

It is always hard to say if the move is "worth it" since everyone is different (captain obvious), but id say that the move to 1.8s/2.8s is "worth it"...certainly if your estimates are accurate (although the lack of spare parts makes it a bit more risky). If you were faced with the opportunity to sell your 2.4is for x dollars and pick up a pair of 2.8s for x + 300/400 then i would do it....that's my opinion. Both are great speakers with awesome detail and depth.
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Any thoughts on which one to prefer for center : Energy RC LCR or Energy V2.0ci ;if pairing with other RC series ?
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Yes, your speakers definitely need more power. Do you listen to your speakers at very high volume? Because if you do, 75 wpc ( and not even near that with all channels driven...) is indeed far from enough to get good sound at higher volumes...

I'm with laserjock on that. Get an amp. You can buy a decent AVR with pre-outs , and add an amp later on. For high volume listening, you'll love the headroom you'll get with one. If you are ok with used gear, I'm pretty sure you could score a 1000$ AVR/ amp combo that would please you a lot.

or you could do a refurb like that one, if you don't care for atmos /DTS-X just yet...It's an older Avr, but still a very nice one. Here is IMHO a killer combo for a little more budget :

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...uced-80/1.html

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http://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/xpa-5

= 1319... Ok it's 319 more than the budget, but I really think it's worth the wait to up the budget a little and get the power you deserve... and need

I really would prefer not to add an external amp due to spacing restrictions. For me, I would prefer to get all the power I need from my receiver. Remember, my center and surrounds are 25-125 power handling so they don't need huge amounts of power to play in their sweet spot. The towers are 25-250, but have a 96db sensitivity which is awesome. I would imagine if I could get something with a true 95-100 on ALL channels, I would have a super sweet set up for various uses. I would imagine right now my little AVR 1612 is probably sending 50 or so watts per channel. The KEY is actually understanding what RMS the speakers need to sound how they are supposed to and then pair a receiver with the. I at first thought my Denon 1612 was more than enough and I needed to tweak the settings but I am now having second thoughts and looking fr something with better and cleaner power up top.
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Any thoughts on which one to prefer for center : Energy RC LCR or Energy V2.0ci ;if pairing with other RC series ?
RC-LCR, no question.

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I am having a hard time finding one
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You check Frys? There is one on ebay for way too much $$$
One will pop up.

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Thinking of venturing into atmos . I have a newer pair of energy vs surrounds that I'm going to sell , or if anyone is possibly interested in trading a pair of rc-10s for these energy vs surrounds . My understanding is that with atmos , u need all direct firing speakers . Forgot to mention , my VS surrounds are black , and would be looking for the same with the rc-10.
It's not necessarily the case that you HAVE TO have direct firing speakers all around. You definitely don't want DIpoles (which intentionally are diffuse because of an out-of-phase null) but in certain situations where you want extra coverage/dispersion a bipole speaker is fine. Remember also the Energy V-S surrounds (like several of their other designs) have the "soundfield management" system -- they are switchable between bipole and dipole and have a volume dial for the side-firing drivers to control the dispersion.

In reality they aren't true bipole/dipole, as the woofer/tweeter are direct firing on the front face. They are really more like a "tripole" design with the direct-firing two way speaker on the front face and then the midrange on either side for extra dispersion. The typical "bipole/dipole" speaker doesn't have any direct firing drivers, there are usually two angles faces with a woofer/tweeter on each side and none of them fire right at you. The V-S isn't designed like that. Given they wall-mount flush so easily, and are so flexible, I wouldn't necessarily be dropping these just because Atmos.
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