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The new Energy subs are pretty crappy. I would use the S8.3 with the RC-Minis and treat your RC-30's to a larger sub, like the V-SW10, or go for one of the bigger ID brands like PSA, HSU, SVS, etc.

I have a different perspective on the Energy subs. The ESW-8 that comes with the Take 5.1 system is pretty good IMO. I have since upgraded to SVS SB2000's but I did do an A-B comparison between them first and had a hard time telling them apart. I even had my daughter give a listen just to ensure it wasn't my old ears. We did some scenes from Tron Legacy and Guardians of the Galaxy and had to listen hard to hear the differences, mainly just subtle bottom end. We didn't go to reference level, and REW showed a huge difference below 35 Hz but in real world listening it wasn't that different. Sure an SVS ported sub would have made a bigger impact but we are space limited so we needed something about the same size.

Not talking anyone out of SVS just saying the ESW-8's are pretty good, especially for their size / price. I would imagine an ESW-10 would be pretty hard to beat below $500 new.

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It think it would be pretty easy to beat the ESW-10 under $500 new. I have a Energy s10.3 which is better than the ESW-10 and the SVS subs under $500 outperform it easily.

https://onecall.com/svs-sb12-nsd-bla...ered-subwoofer

https://onecall.com/svs-pb1000-10-in...ered-subwoofer

These other subs would outperform the ESW-10 also.

https://emotiva.com/products/subwoofers/basx-s12

https://rslspeakers.com/products/rsl-speedwoofer-10s/
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I have a different perspective on the Energy subs. The ESW-8 that comes with the Take 5.1 system is pretty good IMO.
Many of the older Energy subs were very good for their size/time. The ESW series was, what? 10 years ago? The latest "power" series are crap, and that's what I was referring to as "new". The last really good sub Energy made was the V-SW10 that was sold with the final Veritas and Reference Connoisseur lines.

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Many of the older Energy subs were very good for their size/time. The ESW series was, what? 10 years ago? The latest "power" series are crap, and that's what I was referring to as "new". The last really good sub Energy made was the V-SW10 that was sold with the final Veritas and Reference Connoisseur lines.
I don't know when the ESW's ended - I bought mine new 2 years ago and Amazon still sells the Take 5.1 system new and seems to have plenty of stock. But maybe they hoovered up all the old inventory that was built years ago?

All I'm saying is I compared the ESW-8 that comes with the Take Classics to an $800 SVS SB2000 (piano black to be apples-apples with the ESW-8) and couldn't tell a difference in action movies. Just a subtle increase in really low end "presence" that you had to really concentrate to notice. I almost sent the SB2000's back. Maybe you have to listen at reference level to notice. So to the other poster, I really doubt an SB12 or PB1000 would out-do an ESW-10 in real world experience, if a more powerful SB2000 can't shine over a smaller ESW-8.

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You Sir! .... must be suffering from low frequency hearing loss in order to come up with that result with your comparison!
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I have never heard the sb2000, but I upgraded my esw-8 to a mirage omni s-10 (same as the energy s10.3) and the difference was significant. The SVS, although it's sealed rather than ported should be even better.

Could you have some issues with nulls in your listening area?

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I have a different perspective on the Energy subs. The ESW-8 that comes with the Take 5.1 system is pretty good IMO. I have since upgraded to SVS SB2000's but I did do an A-B comparison between them first and had a hard time telling them apart. I even had my daughter give a listen just to ensure it wasn't my old ears. We did some scenes from Tron Legacy and Guardians of the Galaxy and had to listen hard to hear the differences, mainly just subtle bottom end. We didn't go to reference level, and REW showed a huge difference below 35 Hz but in real world listening it wasn't that different. Sure an SVS ported sub would have made a bigger impact but we are space limited so we needed something about the same size.

Not talking anyone out of SVS just saying the ESW-8's are pretty good, especially for their size / price. I would imagine an ESW-10 would be pretty hard to beat below $500 new.
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It think it would be pretty easy to beat the ESW-10 under $500 new. I have a Energy s10.3 which is better than the ESW-10 and the SVS subs under $500 outperform it easily.

https://onecall.com/svs-sb12-nsd-bla...ered-subwoofer

https://onecall.com/svs-pb1000-10-in...ered-subwoofer

These other subs would outperform the ESW-10 also.

https://emotiva.com/products/subwoofers/basx-s12

https://rslspeakers.com/products/rsl-speedwoofer-10s/
interesting, I did'nt realize RogerSound Labs was back in business, wow! They were huge back-in-the-day. They manufactured high-quality speakers. Very popular in Southern California
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Yep, I used to live in SoCal in Monrovia during the 80's and RSL was 10 minutes away from me on Foothill Blvd and Rosemead Ave in Pasadena.

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I have never heard the sb2000, but I upgraded my esw-8 to a mirage omni s-10 (same as the energy s10.3) and the difference was significant. The SVS, although it's sealed rather than ported should be even better.

Could you have some issues with nulls in your listening area?
Not below 50 Hz according to REW, but I do seem to have a peak from 30-50 Hz, and lots of room gain (even for a room that's 2700 cf), so yeah good point maybe that's what's making my ESW-8 sound so good. At reference / 85dB, doing a 1-Hz step input and Radio Shack sound meter I'm getting a relatively flat response down to 26 Hz then dropping like a rock, but REW's dynamic sweep says it starts dropping off below 80 Hz, which makes no sense given how much bass it puts out in movies and music. Maybe REW is highlighting the ESW-8 just isn't good with transient response? The exact same test setup says the SB2000's -3dB point is 5 Hz in my room! Yeah lots of room gain :-) The ESW-8 also hits it's distortion limit at a lower dB.

So according to REW, there should be a big difference in the low end that I should be hearing/feeling. But the ESW-8 has about the same impact on explosions in movies (not slam-you-in-the-chest impact, but neither does the SB2000), and rattles picture frames down the hall when playing music with heavy bass. And in the movie "Earth to Echo" there's a scene near the end that was so bass intensive my 2 ESW-8's rattled books and toys off the shelves in the room. That was while playing the movie at about -10 from reference, with the subs 5dB hot.

Again, I'm comparing an 8" ported to a 12" sealed, so maybe not a fair test, and like you said the room acoustics could be making my situation unique. But yeah in my case the ESW-8's are pretty impressive for what I paid for them :-)

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Yep, I used to live in SoCal in Monrovia during the 80's
funny, same here (believe it or not), and still do (approx 13 miles west of Monrovia)

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RSL was 10 minutes away from me on Foothill Blvd and Rosemead Ave in Pasadena.
brings back good memories indeed. I used to frequent Pacific Stereo right nearby RSL as well (remember them?). I can remember having RSL 8in 2-way monitors, a Kenwood receiver (remember how popular Kenwood was?), a Marantz turntable (with Audio Technica cartidge), and a Teac cassette player. Those speakers really kicked. This would have been around 1979/1980. If I remember correctly, the RSL monitor's were like $179.00 a pair? The turntable was like $69.00, the receiver maybe $139.00, etc.,...

Years later, around 1984/1987 the Infinity line started to dominate (the commercial market). I had a pair of 8in 2-way monitors. Seems I remember Infinity being one of the first using very clean sounding aluminum dome tweeters. I believe I was using the original 1rst-generation Monster Cables at the time. Eventually the 1987 Whittier earthquake destroyed my Infinity's (slung them around my room like nothing, nearly clobbering me in the head).

Later, the Energy brand really came into play. I stuck with Energy for a while (through the 1990's and into 2000's).

Now I'm happily still using my original Energy Reference Connoisseur Series 5.1 speaker set (posted above) in my Living Room system. I'm using a Monitor Audio GX Gold series 5.1 speaker set in my Theater Room, I really love (I had a Gold GS series 5.1 speaker set prior to this).

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funny, same here (believe it or not), and still do (approx 13 miles west of Monrovia)

brings back good memories indeed. I used to frequent Pacific Stereo right nearby RSL as well (remember them?). I can remember having RSL 8in 2-way monitors, a Kenwood receiver (remeber how popular Kenwood was?), a Marantz turntable (with Audio Technica cartidge), and a Teac cassette player. I believe I used the original 1rst-generation Monster Cables Those speakers really kicked. This would have been around 1979/1980.

Years later, around 1984/1987 the Infinity line started to dominate (the commercial market). I had a pair of 8in 2-way monitors. Eventually the 1987 Whittier earthquake destroyed the Infinity's. Later, the Energy brand really came into play. I stuck with Energy for a while (through the 1990's and into 2000's).

Now I'm happily still using my original Energy Reference Connoisseur Series 5.1 speaker set (posted above) in my Living Room system. I'm using a Monitor Audio GX Gold series 5.1 speaker set in my Theater Room, I really love (I had a Gold GS series 5.1 speaker set prior to this).
Used to go to RSL, Pacific Stereo, Good Guys, Circuit City, Leo's Stereo and Federated in 80's. Remember all of those stores.

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Used to go to RSL, Pacific Stereo, Good Guys, Circuit City, Leo's Stereo and Federated in 80's. Remember all of those stores.
funny, I was trying my hardest to remember the other audio shop's right there- but it was [Federated] that I probably most frequented. Seems I remember they had the better deals on popular brands. I remember always looking for their ad's in the Los Angeles Times "Sunday Calendar" section.

I believe Leo's Stereo specialized in car audio?

Circuit City came a little later (that building is now a Sprouts Market).

But.........my favorite was "The Good Guy's" (on Lake street). I shopped there, literally, up until the last week they were in existence. I purchased quite a bit of audio gear from them during their going-out-of-business close-out period, including my S8.3 sub.

Also, a high school classmate of mine founded/owned GNP Audio (Colorado blvd., Pasadena). They were very specialized boutique audio and home theater. He was forced to close-up shop back around 2009/2010.

When I think about it now, I have'nt set foot into a dedicated audio retailer ever since (other than Best Buy). I think a sad reality.

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I remember GNP Audio, they were more high end audio. Went in there a few times but don't think I ever made a purchase.

Leo's Stereo was home audio and car audio. I bought my first Akai integrated amp from them in college. You could get stuff for cheap. Here's one of their ads.

Remember the Federated ads with Fred Rated? The local store was on Rosemead Blvd in Temple City.

I bought my first set of Energy speakers from Good Guys. They were the original Take 5 speakers. Also have a 25 year old Sony carousel player that I bought there. Still use it.

Bought some JBL bookshelf speakers from RSL in the 80s. One of my high school friends a still has them. Also an Akai CD player which is at my father's house. I think it still works but haven't tried it in years.

The good ol' days when you could go to a bunch of local stores in one afternoon. Miss that.

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I remember GNP Audio, they were more high end audio. Went in there a few times but don't think I ever made a purchase
yeah, "GNP" was originally founded by two Cal Tech engineers (late 1970's/early 1980's). They developed their own line of speakers in the beginning. A few years later, upon the advent of custom PC's, jumped into the computer market as "GNP Computers", and moved into a large industrial complex on Huntington Drive in Monrovia. My friend (and high-school classmate), who originally worked as a GNP employee, purchased the original audio division on Colorado Blvd. . Like I said, he was there up until 2009 or 2010. Over the years he was able to grow "GNP Audio" and establish and maintain a loyal following in and around the Pasadena area. I've learned quite a bit from him over the years in regards to audio and home theater gear, and still call on him for his expertise every-so-often . He's extremely knowledgeable in audio and video gear, as well as computers and home/business networking architecture, and still maintains a very active consulting business (for anyone in need within the area):
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Remember the Federated ads with Fred Rated? The local store was on Rosemead Blvd in Temple City
Oh my god! Completely forgot about that guy Thanks for reminding me. Was'nt Fred Rated a popular disc-jockey ?

I totally forgot about Akai brand, they made good equipment (for the price).

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The good ol' days when you could go to a bunch of local stores in one afternoon. Miss that.
yep, you're exactly right. It's kind of weird not having these things around, especially seeing how that large Rosemead corridor has gone through much change.

Remember Clearman's Village ?

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Hi guys, i'm currently replacing my Energy RC 7.1 system with a Klipsch RF-7 II set and i'm trying to put a feeler out there on a sale.

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Hi guys, i'm currently replacing my Energy RC 7.1 system with a Klipsch RF-7 II set and i'm trying to put a feeler out there on a sale.

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Color finish please. I'm looking for a cherry RC-LCR or 1-2 Rc10 also in cherry.

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But.........my favorite was "The Good Guy's" (on Lake street). I shopped there, literally, up until the last week they were in existence. I purchased quite a bit of audio gear from them...
Ah....the Good Guys.....my first real job as an adult.

I worked for them for about 4 years in Oregon slangin' car audio and home audio. ONe of the best jobs I have ever had.

This is also where I learned about Energy speakers. I had a full Veritas system--all purchased at accommodation pricing (lol, don't even ask how insanely cheap it was. )

I may have a pic from 2000.....

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Where in Oregon and what years? I opened the Eugene store with them in 1995 and then was made a sales manager in 1996 (Video manager in Eugene and then Audio/Car Audio manager). Moved to the Portland Area in late 1997 and was a manager in both the Tigard and Clackamas stores before getting out in 2000 because I saw the writing on the wall when my stock prices plummeted.

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Ah....the Good Guys.....my first real job as an adult.

I worked for them for about 4 years in Oregon slangin' car audio and home audio. ONe of the best jobs I have ever had.

This is also where I learned about Energy speakers. I had a full Veritas system--all purchased at accommodation pricing (lol, don't even ask how insanely cheap it was. )

I may have a pic from 2000.....

damn I had to dig DEEP for those digital photos!!!! lol


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I have the same speakers (assuming yours were the I-series like mine) and Parasound HCA-2205AT in my living room right now.
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Where in Oregon and what years? I opened the Eugene store with them in 1995 and then was made a sales manager in 1996 (Video manager in Eugene and then Audio/Car Audio manager). Moved to the Portland Area in late 1997 and was a manager in both the Tigard and Clackamas stores before getting out in 2000 because I saw the writing on the wall when my stock prices plummeted.
I worked in both Clackamas and Tigard between 1998-2001.
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Ah....the Good Guys.....my first real job as an adult.

I worked for them for about 4 years in Oregon slangin' car audio and home audio. ONe of the best jobs I have ever had.

This is also where I learned about Energy speakers. I had a full Veritas system--all purchased at accommodation pricing (lol, don't even ask how insanely cheap it was. )

I may have a pic from 2000.....

damn I had to dig DEEP for those digital photos!!!! lol


Memories.....
cool memories. Yeah, I could kick myself for not jumping on a set of Veritas then because they (The Good Guys) were fully stocked at the time.
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I still have my Energy Connoisseur C-3s and C-1s bookshelf speakers that I purchased from The Good Guys.

Of all of the old brick-and-mortarstores that went away, The Good Guys is one that I miss the most.

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Hi guys, i'm currently replacing my Energy RC 7.1 system with a Klipsch RF-7 II set and i'm trying to put a feeler out there on a sale.

I have:

2 x RC-70
1 x RC-LCR
2 x RC-R
2 x RC-10

Located in San Diego
You still selling these? Interested in the RC-Rs. Located in San Bernardino, Ca.
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I'd like a bit of advice for the experts. My wife and I recently bought a new house and will be moving in a month or so. Fortunately I will now have a dedicated room to put our HT, where previously I had to have it in the great room and had to deal with some limitations. There I could only do 5.1. Now in this new house, I can really do a lot more.

I've attached a pic with the dimensions of the room, it's really quite large.

Here's the components we currently have in use:

Haven 72" console/tv stand
Samsung 65" JS8500 4K tv
Denon 4311 receiver
Energy RC-70 as mains
Energy RC-RCL center
Veritas VS dipole/bipole surrounds
SVS SB13-Plus Sub

I also have these in storage but not being used:
Energy C-6 (pair)
Energy AC-300 center

Any suggestions on how to best set up the room for speaker placement, to get the most out of the system and room? I was thinking the TV go against the 14' wall, the Veritas VS on the walls adjacent to the couch, and the pair of C-6's in the rear against the 11' wall? And later I'd try to pick up another pair of RC-10s (or RC-30/70's if RC-10's weren't available), to use as front wides? I know with the wides it's important to have as close a timbre match as possible.

Would the RC-10, if I could find them, be better as height speakers instead of wides?

Also, FWIW, this is an existing house built in 1993, so not a purpose built dedicated HT room. This was a family room/play room, so normal ceiling height,etc.

I've not looked into Atmos, so no idea what's needed there. I can't see the 4311 being replaced anytime soon, but you know how that goes.

Thanks for any and all advice!
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Not an expert, but I finally ceiling mounted my pair of CB-5 speakers and turned my 5.2 setup into a 5.2.2 in my dedicated theater room, roughly half the size of yours. Been demo'ing movies all day and my wife and I are completely floored at how significant of a jump it was. RC-LCR as the center, RC-10s L/R, RVSS surrounds, two CB-5s on the ceiling, and two SVS-PB12NSD. Have to think the Denon x4300 and x6300s will be available at clearance prices pretty soon, I believe the former would allow for four ceiling-mounted satellites, and the latter four on the ceiling and put use to your C-6s as rears. I'm sure someone will try to talk you into a second SB13-plus as well
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Need your inputs. I can't seem to get my entry level (Yamaha RX-v375 + Energy Take Classic 5.1) setup to sound wide. My old htib samsung HT-z220 sounds better, much wider and more immersive. I've tried different crossover settings but none have made the sound wider. Not sure if upgrading my entry level yamaha would fix this or if my energy speakers are causing this.

And also, are yamaha receivers a good combination with the Take Classic 5.1 as i've noticed movies sound bright.
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I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "wide sound", but you should be able to be much happier with what you have than you were with your samsung HTiB. Can you confirm that all 5 speakers are functioning?
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