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post #55261 of 55280 Old 07-02-2017, 04:35 PM
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I'd like a bit of advice for the experts. My wife and I recently bought a new house and will be moving in a month or so. Fortunately I will now have a dedicated room to put our HT, where previously I had to have it in the great room and had to deal with some limitations. There I could only do 5.1. Now in this new house, I can really do a lot more.

I've attached a pic with the dimensions of the room, it's really quite large.

Here's the components we currently have in use:

Haven 72" console/tv stand
Samsung 65" JS8500 4K tv
Denon 4311 receiver
Energy RC-70 as mains
Energy RC-RCL center
Veritas VS dipole/bipole surrounds
SVS SB13-Plus Sub

I also have these in storage but not being used:
Energy C-6 (pair)
Energy AC-300 center

Any suggestions on how to best set up the room for speaker placement, to get the most out of the system and room? I was thinking the TV go against the 14' wall, the Veritas VS on the walls adjacent to the couch, and the pair of C-6's in the rear against the 11' wall? And later I'd try to pick up another pair of RC-10s (or RC-30/70's if RC-10's weren't available), to use as front wides? I know with the wides it's important to have as close a timbre match as possible.

Would the RC-10, if I could find them, be better as height speakers instead of wides?

Also, FWIW, this is an existing house built in 1993, so not a purpose built dedicated HT room. This was a family room/play room, so normal ceiling height,etc.

I've not looked into Atmos, so no idea what's needed there. I can't see the 4311 being replaced anytime soon, but you know how that goes.

Thanks for any and all advice!

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Not an expert, but I finally ceiling mounted my pair of CB-5 speakers and turned my 5.2 setup into a 5.2.2 in my dedicated theater room, roughly half the size of yours. Been demo'ing movies all day and my wife and I are completely floored at how significant of a jump it was. RC-LCR as the center, RC-10s L/R, RVSS surrounds, two CB-5s on the ceiling, and two SVS-PB12NSD. Have to think the Denon x4300 and x6300s will be available at clearance prices pretty soon, I believe the former would allow for four ceiling-mounted satellites, and the latter four on the ceiling and put use to your C-6s as rears. I'm sure someone will try to talk you into a second SB13-plus as well
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Need your inputs. I can't seem to get my entry level (Yamaha RX-v375 + Energy Take Classic 5.1) setup to sound wide. My old htib samsung HT-z220 sounds better, much wider and more immersive. I've tried different crossover settings but none have made the sound wider. Not sure if upgrading my entry level yamaha would fix this or if my energy speakers are causing this.

And also, are yamaha receivers a good combination with the Take Classic 5.1 as i've noticed movies sound bright.
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I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "wide sound", but you should be able to be much happier with what you have than you were with your samsung HTiB. Can you confirm that all 5 speakers are functioning?
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I have a fantastic energy veritas setup with 2.4's, 2.0c, and 2.0r. Recently I added two svs subs and decided to purchase 2 used 2.0r's. Both came with frozen woofers and I was refunded my purchase and the seller told me to keep them.

My veritas speakers never experienced this issue. I have two questions.....1) Has anyone ever successfully repaired a frozen woofer....2) Alternate woofers that are available for sale to be used in their place?

A third question....any recommendations for surrounds that may match closely to the energy veritas if the answer to both questions above is no?

Thanks!
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Anyone looking for black ash RC LCR? I have one sitting and collecting dust that need to let go. If interested pls pm me. Thanks

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I have a fantastic energy veritas setup with 2.4's, 2.0c, and 2.0r. Recently I added two svs subs and decided to purchase 2 used 2.0r's. Both came with frozen woofers and I was refunded my purchase and the seller told me to keep them.

My veritas speakers never experienced this issue. I have two questions.....1) Has anyone ever successfully repaired a frozen woofer....2) Alternate woofers that are available for sale to be used in their place?

A third question....any recommendations for surrounds that may match closely to the energy veritas if the answer to both questions above is no?

Thanks!
1) To the best of my knowledge, frozen woofers are not repairable.
2) Occasionally, used woofers do show up here and there, but not often. It would be worth trying Energy directly to see if they have some still available, but likely not and I imagine they would be very pricey if they do.
3) My best guess for the closest match would be the newer generation veritas VS surrounds, RC-R surround or CR-3 surrounds.
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I had fixed one of mine and it held for a few months, then crapped out again. IMO, they are repairable but you need an alignment tool to do it. The tool is simply a sleeve that slips over the phase plug and centers the plug between the voice coil. With the proper sized sleeve, you could easily re-glue the driver where it fails and be good to go. I'm saving the few bad drivers I have in hopes I find a piece of tubing just the right size for the job.

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I had fixed one of mine and it held for a few months, then crapped out again. IMO, they are repairable but you need an alignment tool to do it. The tool is simply a sleeve that slips over the phase plug and centers the plug between the voice coil. With the proper sized sleeve, you could easily re-glue the driver where it fails and be good to go. I'm saving the few bad drivers I have in hopes I find a piece of tubing just the right size for the job.
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Sure, but it would take trial and error unless you knew the exact size. I stumbled onto a site once that sold a repair kit for these speakers. Forget what all came with it but the one item I remember was a simple cardboard looking roll/tube. Rather thin walled, maybe 16th of an inch. If you look at a Veritas driver, you can see the tiny gap between the coil and the phase plug. It needs to fit snug on the phase plug and center it in the voice coil. When the epoxy or other glue dries, it can be pulled out and the phase plug will be centered so the coil will not rub and short out. The one I fixed was not dead center and eventually failed. But seeing how they fail, I went and epoxied all the other drivers that were still good to prevent more coming apart. This is for the non "i" series drivers only. Most of my Veritas collection is "i" series but still have a few pairs on V2.1's. One pair has the replacement drivers that have the updated design but still fit the older cabinets.

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Need your inputs. I can't seem to get my entry level (Yamaha RX-v375 + Energy Take Classic 5.1) setup to sound wide. My old htib samsung HT-z220 sounds better, much wider and more immersive. I've tried different crossover settings but none have made the sound wider. Not sure if upgrading my entry level yamaha would fix this or if my energy speakers are causing this.

And also, are yamaha receivers a good combination with the Take Classic 5.1 as i've noticed movies sound bright.
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I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "wide sound", but you should be able to be much happier with what you have than you were with your samsung HTiB. Can you confirm that all 5 speakers are functioning?
By "wide sound" I mean that the voices from energy center are sounding a little boxed in compared to my tinier samsung htib center channel which has a wider sound stage. Not sure if anyone experiences the same on their energy take center or this is due my entry level reciever which probably has the basic ypao. And yes all of them are working
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Anyone looking for black ash RC LCR? I have one sitting and collecting dust that need to let go. If interested pls pm me. Thanks

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Not looking for an LCR, but did post in another thread that I'm looking for either an RC-Mini or a V-Mini to match one I picked up a while back. If anyone has one they'd be willing to part with, let me know.
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By "wide sound" I mean that the voices from energy center are sounding a little boxed in compared to my tinier samsung htib center channel which has a wider sound stage. Not sure if anyone experiences the same on their energy take center or this is due my entry level reciever which probably has the basic ypao. And yes all of them are working
I wonder if the tweeter on the center speaker is dead. Try using one of the satellite speakers in place of your center and see if that sounds any better.
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Just found a deal on a pair of Veritas 6.3's, cannot wait to pick them up. There is a few chips in the Rosenut finish. Does anyone know the cost a shop would charge to repair or put a brand new piano gloss finish on them?
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So,

I just picked up a pair of CF50's, and a CC10 from Craigslist for a smoking deal. I got them for a friend, and want to test them out on my Yamaha RX-V477 to make sure they work, and see how they sound.

Are these CF50, and CC10 speakers all classified as "large" speakers, with regards to the sound settings in my receiver?


I currently have CB20's and a CC5 center, and front speakers set to "small" for my listening.

I am 75% sure the CF50's are, but I'm unsure of the CC10. Also, I don't want to change it from small, to large - only to find out I defaulted my settings on my receiver (RX-V477) and/or have to go through the setup again when I put it back.

Any help is appreciated.

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You can leave them as "small", in nearly all cases where you have a powered subwoofer in the system you should do that because the "small" setting is just code for "turn on bass management and send the low frequencies to the subwoofer".

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So,

I just picked up a pair of CF50's, and a CC10 from Craigslist for a smoking deal. I got them for a friend, and want to test them out on my Yamaha RX-V477 to make sure they work, and see how they sound.

Are these CF50, and CC10 speakers all classified as "large" speakers, with regards to the sound settings in my receiver?


I currently have CB20's and a CC5 center, and front speakers set to "small" for my listening.

I am 75% sure the CF50's are, but I'm unsure of the CC10. Also, I don't want to change it from small, to large - only to find out I defaulted my settings on my receiver (RX-V477) and/or have to go through the setup again when I put it back.

Any help is appreciated.

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You can leave them as "small", in nearly all cases where you have a powered subwoofer in the system you should do that because the "small" setting is just code for "turn on bass management and send the low frequencies to the subwoofer".
batpig is the man, so I'd take his advice.

Large or small is tragically misnamed in my opinion. It's just whether you want your speakers to handle the full range (large) or whether you use a sub to handle the low frequency sounds (as batpig ably describes).... (small)

I use two subs with my RC-50 towers, have no problems calling the '50s and an RC-LCR small. Great sound.
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thanks guys! I tested them last night, and can't believe how great they sound for what we paid ($100 for all three)
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thanks guys! I tested them last night, and can't believe how great they sound for what we paid ($100 for all three)
Wow....that is a silly good deal!
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I agree. The owner was moving out of the country, and in a pinch to get rid of them. She didn't know much about speakers, claiming the CC10 was the Subwoofer, but That was not my place to correct her. Gotta love a good craigslist score!
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