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post #55291 of 55319 Old 08-22-2017, 10:20 AM
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Rubber in subs will deteriorate over time, I generally wouldn't get a sub that old. If your budget is around $150-200 and you have a Fry's nearby I would suggest the Klipsch R-112SW. It goes on sale every now and then for $200. Much superior sub
No sadly I'm in Canada we make great audio but we are getting screwed sidewise when it comes to deals.
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No sadly I'm in Canada we make great audio but we are getting screwed sidewise when it comes to deals.
Ahh, gotcha. I would still probably avoid a 20 year old sub, though
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Ahh, gotcha. I would still probably avoid a 20 year old sub, though
Yeah thats what I pretty much thought but I figured I'd ask anyways.

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Quick question for energy sub owners


I could get a e:XL S12 for fairly cheap (around 150) how do they old up over time given that this sub is almost 20years old should I consider it or not

It would be entering a dual sub set up where the other cheap sub as the same power 150w 600w peak but goes only to 35hz. I'm looking to add some depth to my set up.

Any advice is welcomed.
Even if you were to disregard the age, it isn't a very good sub. You should be able to do better for $150. If you would like to stick with the Energy brand, you should be able to find a used S10.3 for around $200. Also, the Mirage omni S10 has the same amp and driver as the S10.3 so it's pretty much the same thing.

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Even if you were to disregard the age, it isn't a very good sub. You should be able to do better for $150. If you would like to stick with the Energy brand, you should be able to find a used S10.3 for around $200. Also, the Mirage omni S10 has the same amp and driver as the S10.3 so it's pretty much the same thing.
Anybody running dayton Audio sub with CF-50 I didnt know them but for such a low price they seem solid.

I'm looking at dual sub-1200 or sub-1500.

I cant find any decent/recent energy Sub around me and anyhow everybody tells me that it doesn't matter.

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Anybody running dayton Audio sub with CF-50 I didnt know them but for such a low price they seem solid.

I'm looking at dual sub-1200 or sub-1500.

I cant find any decent/recent energy Sub around me and anyhow everybody tells me that it doesn't matter.

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Ya, matching subs to speakers doesn't need to be brand-specific. I don't know anything about Dayton subs other than they generally have a good bang-for-your-buck reputation. Are you using it mostly for music or home theatre?
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Ya, matching subs to speakers doesn't need to be brand-specific. I don't know anything about Dayton subs other than they generally have a good bang-for-your-buck reputation. Are you using it mostly for music or home theatre?
Well they are in the theatre part of the basement witch opens up on the rest here my basement layout.

I'll start a new thread not to pollute this thread as its not about the Energy Brand anymore.

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I don't think you are polluting this thread at all! Things have slowed down a bit here for obvious reasons with the slow painful death of what was once an amazing performance for their price speaker brand. Good to read and help out anyone using their Energy speakers and asking questions about them in their systems ...
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I don't think you are polluting this thread at all! Things have slowed down a bit here for obvious reasons with the slow painful death of what was once an amazing performance for their price speaker brand. Good to read and help out anyone using their Energy speakers and asking questions about them in their systems ...

Thanks from what I'm gathering availability and price wise It'll probably be dual dayton sb-1200 or a single DIY I dont know if I want to go down that rabbit hole tho!
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Thanks from what I'm gathering availability and price wise It'll probably be dual dayton sb-1200 or a single DIY I dont know if I want to go down that rabbit hole tho!
I am using a a second-hand DIY sub and it is indeed pretty amazing.
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Anyone running Atmos/DTS:X with an Energy or Veritas bed layer? Would love to hear what other people are using.

I'm looking into adding height speakers going from 7.1 to 7.1.4.

My room is a 16' W x 13' D x 8' H (flat ceiling) family room with plaster walls and long drapes, but no acoustic treatments. Things like decor and furniture arrangement take priority over home theater use. My use is 90% gaming/movies and 10% music.

I have Veritas 2.4s fronts, 2.0Ci center, 2.2i surrounds (side walls), and 2.0R rears, with a Velodyne subwoofer.

I have a Denon X4300H so probably looking to add 2 channels of external amplification to drive the 2.4s, unless anyone can think of a good reason to use more channels of external amps for the other speakers.

1. Are there any recommendations for amplifier brands or models I should try or definitely avoid with the Veritas? Would the Audyssey XT32 help minimize amplifier/speaker issues and help the fronts to blend with the rest?

2. Any recommendations for height speakers to try or to avoid?

I can't put heights on the ceiling, but could put them high on the walls and either point them down or bounce them off the ceiling. I was considering using Energy Take Classics for height speakers, but am open to other suggestions for smallish wall-mountables.

I could also get Atmos upfiring modules like the Elac A4s and put them on top of the mains (about 8 feet apart on the front wall) and the side wall surrounds. If the fact that the rear heights would be almost twice as far apart as the front heights is an issue, maybe I could elevate the backs slightly to change the angle of reflection. I also have a ceiling fan in the center of the room, so wondering if that will be a significant issue with upfiring.

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I've found a set of RC-Micro 5.1 nearby, which might be an improvement over the Take 5.1. I haven't heard either.

I've also read a little about SVS's Prime Elevation satellites, which seem like a good option.

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I've found a set of RC-Micro 5.1 nearby, which might be an improvement over the Take 5.1. I haven't heard either.

I've also read a little about SVS's Prime Elevation satellites, which seem like a good option.
I would go for the Prime Elevations if you don't mind spending the money. If you get the black gloss they should match the Veritas somewhat in looks. They might actually look a little better.

Micros and Takes will be very limited in bass response and you'll have to cross at a higher frequency. Atmos specification says heights should be capable to 80hz.

Upfiring speakers are a compromised solution. Avoid them if possible.

My 5.3.4 system is comprised of Mirage speakers, former Energy's sister company. Four OMD-5's make up my heights and while slightly shy on bass the omnipolar design works well for an Atmos setup. I'm not sure I would use them in your setup though, since used ones go for about the same price as the Primes, and the rest of your setup is already made up of direct radiating speakers.

Whatever you do just make sure all of the heights are directed towards the listening area.

If you haven't heard an object oriented sound system at home, I think your going to be amazed

Edit: one other thing - when you go to Atmos tune your 2.0R's to be direct radiating instead of bipolar or dipolar. That's a nice feature of the 2.0r, they're not obsoleted by the Atmos/DTX specifications for surrounds.
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The one that got away

Veritas 1.8s in rosenut for $500. A 4 hour drive for me, but couldn't get there soon enough because of work.
The person that bought these has re-listed them for $1500

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The person that bought these has re-listed them for $1500

https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/...283096191.html
1.5k seems kinda high. I would go 1k for those. Someone recently listed 2.8's on CL Phoenix for 2.2k and the ad disappeared within a few days. Not sure if they sold or the seller had a change of heart.

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1.5k seems kinda high. I would go 1k for those. Someone recently listed 2.8's on CL Phoenix for 2.2k and the ad disappeared within a few days. Not sure if they sold or the seller had a change of heart.
$500 was definitely a steal. It's just frustrating that I wasn't able to grab them early enough and then the person that scooped them turns around and flips them for significant profit in under 3 months. If they had owned them for a year or longer, at least then it would seem like they enjoyed them before seeing dollar signs.
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I have a 5.2.4 setup with 2.3ci for mains, 2.0ci for center, 2.0r for surrounds, 4 rc-6 in the ceiling, and 2 SVS sb13-ultras powred by an Denon avr-7200wa. I think.it sounds rather amazing with Veritas soundstage!

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I was recently very fortunate to find a cherry RC-LCR from a wonderful forum member( drm27) at a great price to replace my cherry RC mini-cc. It makes quite an improvement in vocals during movies,etc.

My 9.5/10 cherry RC mini-cc is boxed up and in my closet. I plan on keeping it forever. I would part with it only if a fellow Energy RC lover needed a replacement to keep his system intact. If anyone ever fits this situation just pm me. Don't care about the $ and will not post in classifieds.

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Hey guys: Just a heads up.. I have a great 5.0 set of RC-minis for sale in the Audio classifieds.

Energy RC-Mini 5.0 speaker set... Great Condition!
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Hi! Just want to ask what's a very good quality subwoofer that can have a deeper sub-bass extension than the subwoofer (ESW-8) that came with the Energy Take Classic 5.1? About the same size and will match well with the Take Classic speakers. Thinking of SVS PB1000. Good match?

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Hi! Just want to ask what's a very good quality subwoofer that can have a deeper sub-bass extension than the subwoofer (ESW-8) that came with the Energy Take Classic 5.1? About the same size and will match well with the Take Classic speakers. Thinking of SVS PB1000. Good match?
Haven't heard it in person, but I am quite sure it will be a big upgrade over the ESW-8. They will match fine together I'm sure, but the PB1000 will likely have you wanting to upgrade the rest of your speakers as it is really in a different league from the Takes.
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Hi! Just want to ask what's a very good quality subwoofer that can have a deeper sub-bass extension than the subwoofer (ESW-8) that came with the Energy Take Classic 5.1? About the same size and will match well with the Take Classic speakers. Thinking of SVS PB1000. Good match?
PB1000 is a good bit bigger than the ESW-8. The SB1000 is actually only ~1" bigger all around. I had similar needs, but went with the SB2000, which is about 2" bigger all around, and it's great! The SB2000 has a slower dropoff at the low end, so extends much better than the SB1000. I get good room gain in my sealed 2700 cuft room, which helps the SB2000 get down to 5 Hz, whereas the ESW-8 pooped out about 27 Hz. Not a lot of dB down that low of course, but enough to feel (REW says I'm getting about 100 dB at 5 Hz with dual SB2000's, so a single will get about 6 dB less).

The ESW-8 punches well above it's price/power/size, so any similar-sized sub won't give you night/day difference, but I now feel that ominous "presence" or "dread" in scenes that didn't exist before. Keep in mind that chest thumps from explosions are actually in the 30-50 Hz range, so the ESW-8 is already giving you that, and you'd need a much larger-sized box (ported with bigger driver) to up the dB in that range. For that the PB1000 or especially the PB/PC2000 would be great, but again much bigger box size. You specifically asked for sub-bass extension though, which I take to mean below 20 Hz :-) And for that you either need a much more expensive ported sub (PB13 / PB16), or sealed if you have good room extension (ability to close the room off, suspended floor not concrete, room not too big).
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Anyone running Atmos/DTS:X with an Energy or Veritas bed layer? Would love to hear what other people are using.
Yes. I recently upgraded my AVR to a Marantz SR7011, which is Atmos capable. My previous receiver was Yamaha RX-A1000 which was 7.1 .

I am running Veritas 2.3 for front, 2.0Ci as center, 2.0Ri as surround back, and PSB Image S5 as side surround. I just couldn't find another pair of Veritas surround (2.0R/Ri) 7 years ago when I moved to 7.1 .

Also have 4 subs - one in each corner - not Energy. All budget subs - one Polk 8", Klipsch Reference 12, BIC F12, and the Monoprice model 12". Probably will replace the monoprice as it has a very slight 60Hz buzz if you put your ear to it, even without any audio cable connected, just the power line. None of my other subs do this. If I ever get around to having my Boston VR500 sub repaired, I will put that in its place.

As far as Atmos speakers, I have some in-ceiling speakers I'm using as top rear. Not sure what they are exactly, they came with the house. Probably Bose of some sort, not really matched with the Veritas at all. Wish I could have sprung for some in-ceiling Veritas . These come even more rarely for sale than the 2.0Ri.

I'm currently running 7.1.2 in Atmos parlance, except the two LFE channels are split between 4 subs .

I have ordered a pair of SVS Elevation (in piano black, to match the Veritas) that I will get next week to run as top front or front height - will decide what looks best and will depend how secure it will be with ceiling mount vs wall mount. So, I will be at 7.2.4 then. I will use my old Yamaha receiver to power the new SVS Elevation speakers.

This weekend, I will also take a listen to a used pair of Veritas 2.3. Might switch my surround or surround back to this new pair, though this may be an issue with the floor plan, I will have to measure and see if it's really doable - there is a large treadmill in the room in the rear, too.

Or just keep the extra pair 2.3 as spare, as I had many problems with my own 2.3 (multiple repairs with frozen woofers, and tweeter too), even though they sound fabulous when they do work. I suppose I have gotten more than 15 years out of them and they have been out for 6 months for repair so it's not too horrible.

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My room is larger in both floor dimensions, more like 24x14, but same regular ceiling height. I use it more for TV and movies, though it has an amazing sound system. Do listen to music there too, mostly on SACD.
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Or just keep the extra pair 2.3 as spare, as I had many problems with my own 2.3 (multiple repairs with frozen woofers, and tweeter too), even though they sound fabulous when they do work. I suppose I have gotten more than 15 years out of them and they have been out for 6 months for repair so it's not too horrible.
I'm also in the San Jose area. Did you find someone local to do your repairs?
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I'm also in the San Jose area. Did you find someone local to do your repairs?
Nope. Part had to be shipped to a guy in Canada to do the repair, and it took months to get it back.
Seems like unfortunately the non-i series are very prone to failure. Maybe I should be looking for a pair of 2.3i or 2.4i as spare instead.
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Nope. Part had to be shipped to a guy in Canada to do the repair, and it took months to get it back.
Seems like unfortunately the non-i series are very prone to failure. Maybe I should be looking for a pair of 2.3i or 2.4i as spare instead.
Can you post some contact info for the repair place please?
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Can you post some contact info for the repair place please?
I will send you a PM. It was in 2008, so not sure they are still in business. You can contact them, and if they still are, post it here yourself.
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