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post #7201 of 52207 Old 02-26-2009, 10:51 AM
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The larger center does play deeper and louder but that's what channel adjustments are for

I hope the C-C100 isn't "louder," but as you said you've got settings for that. I was actually a little leery that the C-C100 would be a little too much for an 11 foot throw. If I do notice the C-C100 being too boomy for my room it's going to be a switchover for me down to the C-C50, but I doubt that will happen. My DCM center has about the same size and capabilities despite some woofer blow-out which handicapped it down to an 80Hz being the lowest crossover it can now handle. We shall see.

Anyone ever ordered successfully from AVDepot? It's been just about 2 weeks and no sign of the C-C100 yet. I think that site having grayish 'shades' of shadiness and all it just takes longer for them, but I have faith it will arrive soon nevertheless.
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I was actually a little leery that the C-C100 would be a little too much for an 11 foot throw. If I do notice the C-C100 being too boomy for my room it's going to be a switchover for me down to the C-C50, but I doubt that will happen.

I sit about 7' from my c-c100 (and the L/R C-100s) and I don't hear any problem. Dialogue is extremely clear and well balanced with the other speakers. I have a close-in setup with about a 25 degree screen angle with a 47" LCD, it looks great and sounds even better.

Hope yours arrives soon.
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Hope yours arrives soon.

Well I just got an email from AVDepot saying that they are waiting on the black (C-C100's) to arrive AFTER I placed an order. The only have the Cherry ones in-stock now. On one hand, good customer-service response back (within minutes), on the other, the website said they had them in. So basically I just drove my car into a traffic jam after the entrance-signs said "Clear Ahead." It looks like I might have to go through another source here before it's too late!
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Hi fellow Energy owners. I would appreciate your comments and opinions.

I am looking at Energy 6.5 inch woofer bookshelf speakers for a 2 channel setup. I'm mainly looking at the Energy C-200 and the CB-20. I would go for the RC-10 but I'm afraid it won't have enough bass for my liking. I'm looking for something full range and with a wide soundstage and good holographic imaging.

The biggest difference between the two speakers seems to be the Frequency response and crossover frequency.

C200:
Frequency response: 48Hz-20kHz
Crossover frequency: 2.6kHz

CB-20
Frequency response: 60Hz-20kHz according to their specs.
Crossover frequency: 2.2kHz

That's a pretty big difference spec wise and makes me think that the two speakers would sound pretty different and are entirely different animals from each other. I've never heard the two and have no way of auditioning them in person.

I have however heard the old C-2's from the late 90s (also a 6.5in woofer bookshelf) which also have a
frequency response: 40Hz-25kHz
Crossover frequency: 1.8kHz
and I loved the sound.

Why do you think there is such a big difference spec wise between the frequency range of the newer CB-20 and the older C-200?

Has anyone A/B'd the two? Which one would sound better for a 2 channel setup?
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I would go for the RC-10 but I'm afraid it won't have enough bass for my liking.

Your assumption is wrong, the RC-10 has superior bass to either of its cheaper cousins. Perhaps the C-200 will beat it slightly in max extension, but the RC's bass will be smoother, richer and more controlled. The bass it puts out is shocking considering how small they are.

If this is for a 2-channel setup, you will definitely appreciate the smooth, refined sound sound of the RC's, and the build quality is a significant step up from either entry level option (C-Series or CB/CF).

The new CB-20 has barely been out a couple of months and there aren't many reviews. Search for posts in this thread by "1080pee" who had the C-500's, then the CB-20's, and now has settled on the RC-10's.

FYI - I owned C-2's (and my friend still has my old pair so I hear them regularly) and the RC-10 is clearly superior. The C-2's are MUCH bigger and may have a little more bass weight, but the RC's are really incredible speakers.

Click this link and don't look back
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...0%20%20%20PRNT

The unfortunate thing for guys like you and me is that they never made a larger, 6.5" woofer bookshelf speaker (RC-20?) in the RC line with extension down to the 40's....

EDIT: also check out this post by stevenash, who is currently in the process of A/B testing CB-20 vs. RC-10:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post15869928

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****... now I'm going to need to buy RC's.


Would it be ok to pair, some rc-50s or rc-10s as mains with c-50s as surrounds?
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Thanks for the response.
I've tried several 5.5 in woofer speakers and i haven't been as happy with the sound.

I'm trying to get something with a 6.5in woofer though.

Between the C200 and the CB20 which would you buy?
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I know so little about the new Connoisseurs that I can't say. Hopefully one of the owners (1080pee? stevenash? nuclearbong?) can chime in...

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****... now I'm going to need to buy RC's.


Would it be ok to pair, some rc-50s or rc-10s as mains with c-50s as surrounds?

If you can afford the RC-50s as mains, that would be the way to go. They'll be great speakers for 2-channel music. I'm using RCs all around in my system, but if you can manage the RC-50s and an RC-LCR across the front, you'll be much happier. I think you'll be really satisfied with that front soundstage, and the 50s should do fine for surround duty.

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The C-C50 is a powerful little center. It matches the C100's no problem. Just thought I'd let everyone know now that I actually have my receiver. =)
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If you can afford the RC-50s as mains, that would be the way to go. They'll be great speakers for 2-channel music. I'm using RCs all around in my system, but if you can manage the RC-50s and an RC-LCR across the front, you'll be much happier. I think you'll be really satisfied with that front soundstage, and the 50s should do fine for surround duty.

I did plan on the RC-LCR for the center, and more than likely rc-50s. I don't want to spend more on the surrounds though since I just bought two c-300s, two c-50s, pa-120, and a c-c100. I guess, I can give all of c series front stage to my dad.

thanks for the advice
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I'd like to thank everyone for this thread because it pushed me over the edge in buying an Energy surround package. I saw WWStereo had a decent package with the C-300 towers, a C-C50 center and C-R100's for $450. I thought it was pretty good until I noticed the showroom was in Montgomeryville, PA. (Just happens to be 15 minutes away from my work.) I stopped in and saw they had special deals not offered online. Long story short I ended up with above speaker package plus a Klipsch KSW-10 for $650. I think it was a great deal. My question now is what speakers to purchase to complete the 7.1 channel surround sound. I plan on purchasing an Onkyo 706 BTW. It's either between the C-50's or the C-100's. Does the rear surround really matter that much? To be honest it's more about the mounting hassels than the speaker cost. Any comments would be very much appreciated.
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c-50s would be perfectly fine.

there is quite a big size difference between the c-50, and c-100s if that matters to you.
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Save your money and get the C-50 surrounds. They're $70 from Audio Advisor thru Amazon.com. Surrounds just play background noise so save the $50 it would cost to get C-100s.

First make sure your room can be set up for 7.1 properly.

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I'd like to thank everyone for this thread because it pushed me over the edge in buying an Energy surround package. I saw WWStereo had a decent package with the C-300 towers, a C-C50 center and C-R100's for $450. I thought it was pretty good until I noticed the showroom was in Montgomeryville, PA. (Just happens to be 15 minutes away from my work.) I stopped in and saw they had special deals not offered online. Long story short I ended up with above speaker package plus a Klipsch KSW-10 for $650. I think it was a great deal. My question now is what speakers to purchase to complete the 7.1 channel surround sound. I plan on purchasing an Onkyo 706 BTW. It's either between the C-50's or the C-100's. Does the rear surround really matter that much? To be honest it's more about the mounting hassels than the speaker cost. Any comments would be very much appreciated.

The Klispch KSW-10 is actually on their website for $199, they just don't have it bundled with the Energy speakers.

Since you purchased in store you had to pay sales tax right?

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I don't have rear surrounds but I can assume they don't handle much action. When you chose these you gotta decide how much background noise you really want to hear. Sometimes even the surrounds can get a little annoying. I was watching Burn Notice earlier and kept hearing birds by my head, thought the ones that are always in my yard annoying me during the day came back at night


(go with the 50's)
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The C-C50 is a powerful little center. It matches the C100's no problem. Just thought I'd let everyone know now that I actually have my receiver. =)

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I agree. I have the same 3 speakers in front, and the C-C50 sounds great. I don't understand all the concern from people about buying the C-C50.
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plus like afrogt said just turn the center up. i should be getting my c-c50 manana.
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Will the C-series speakers accept 12awg speaker wire without snipping strands?

I did a search for "gauge" and did not obtain an answer.

Thanks
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I agree. I have the same 3 speakers in front, and the C-C50 sounds great. I don't understand all the concern from people about buying the C-C50.

Maybe it's the philosophy that bigger is better?

C-C50 has 4.5" woofers according to specs.

If center is primarily for vocals, they should be in the 100-300 or so Hz. range which should be no problem for 4.5" drivers.
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The c-c100 has a much fuller sound. Whether that's worth the extra hundred bucks is up to you. Personally, I decided it was worth it after hearing both.

I use the c-c50 mated to my c-100s. I use my c-c100 mated to my c-300s. I think if you're going to get the c-300s, you should really consider the c-c100 as I think it's a better match. The c-c50 works great with the c-100s though.

I would also like to remind people that the c-c100 is probably close to double the size of the c-c50. Make sure you have the space for it.
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Save your money and get the C-50 surrounds. They're $70 from Audio Advisor thru Amazon.com. Surrounds just play background noise so save the $50 it would cost to get C-100s.

First make sure your room can be set up for 7.1 properly.
Yeah... I think I'll go with the C-50's. Smaller and easier to mount. And yes I did have to pay sales tax. I think I would have to pay tax if I bought it online anyway, because it's being shipped to a PA address. (Store is in PA)

I attached a PDF of my basement. The only problem I can see is the wall right next to the sofa. I could mount a rear side surround speaker there and hope audyssey does its job, or place all 4 rears behind the sofa in the empty area. Any thoughts?

 

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No, the best deal is to buy the 5 satellites separately from WWStereo.com for $199 shipped, and then add a different subwoofer that will fill your room and fit your budget. If you really want the ESW-8 you can get it for $99, so that's still $100 less than the $399 price.

My local Circuit City still has the Take Classic set with sub and it's selling for $299, new in box. As-is sale, though.
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Why are the C-C100 center channel speakers going used for $150+ shipped on eBay?

I just bought one brand new from a retailer for $113 shipped....perhaps I should go back and order a dozen of them
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Will the C-series speakers accept 12awg speaker wire without snipping strands?

I did a search for "gauge" and did not obtain an answer.

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Yes.. 12awg fits fine, even doing their method of going in the top of the post and then up and around. I think that made sense lol
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is there settings for the c300's you guys recommend?
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Energy speakers were suggested to me from another forum so I decided to come to the horses mouth so to speak.

I am upgrading my system and could use some advice or suggestions.

Room is 24 X 24 with 9 foot ceiling.
Seating is about 12 feet back.
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Current speakers are a JBLSCS150 5.1 set. I have attached the specs.

I would like to make this a 7.1 setup. Should I just pick up new fronts and center and use the JBL's that I have for the surrounds? Do I need all new speakers? Looking for some opinions from those that know...

What combination's do you folks think would work best?
Any one have suggestions?

 

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I know so little about the new Connoisseurs that I can't say. Hopefully one of the owners (1080pee? stevenash? nuclearbong?) can chime in...

i have looked at the CB20s but haven't set them up at all -- the problem is that my receiver (Yamaha 6190/1800) doesn't have a way to A/B switch (very frustrating) so i'll have to rig up an external switch somehow

i can say that I am enjoying the RC-10s very much, the sound is very full, laid-back and smooth; which is what i'm looking for. Also, unless the CB20s completely blow-away the RC10s in sound quality (which they won;t) I'll keep the RC10s b/c the construction is so much better, 100% solid wood, heavy, compact design -- classy but not flashy.

The CB20s are similar but the entire front plate is plastic, not bad looking but, for my tastes, inferior to the the look of the RC10s.


if I ever get the CB20s hooked up to test i'll report back
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i think someone asked about rubber covers on the magnets of the RC10 covers, can't find the post

my new RC10s had the covers on the middle pair of magnets only (same as original poster), I assume this is the intentional design
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Why are the C-C100 center channel speakers going used for $150+ shipped on eBay?

I just bought one brand new from a retailer for $113 shipped....perhaps I should go back and order a dozen of them

Where are they $113 shipped? Can you PM me a link please.
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