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WestCoastD's Avatar WestCoastD 01:20 PM 12-23-2006
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I've come across and offer for a pair of Reference Connoisseur RC-30's used for $600 (Cherry).

sounds like an excellent deal (if they're in good condition). I use the RC-30's, they are beautiful sounding speakers. I purposely selected the RC-30's (over the RC-50's) because I live in a small 1-bedroom apartment as well. They fill the room with sound- and more.

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Whould an AV receiver (something like a Yamaha 6x100, or Pioneer maybe of 120x6) be adequate in driving these speakers?

yes, I would try to get a brand-new Yamaha RX-V2600, nothing less. If you look around you can find them between $600.00 and like $800.00. It's one of the best in it's class of receivers, and will provide you with excellent sound quality and power for stereo and multi-channel music, as well as extremely good DSP modes for movies and everything else (ie. gaming, etc.,...).

I use a Yamaha RX-V1600 (as pre-pro), along with an NAD amp (150W X 2), to drive my RC-30's, it's a great combination. These speakers love good power.

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Something that is very important is that the setup will sound solid at low to moderate levels.

yes, it will.

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Also how is the Cherry finish?

excellent, some of the best I've ever seen on [any] speaker, especially for the price.

briankmonkey's Avatar briankmonkey 01:30 PM 12-23-2006
Thank you WestCoastD. I'm glad to hear that they will be fine at low levels as well. That is one of the reasons I sold my C-5's, they just didn't sound as tight as my C-3's (I was guessing the power might not have been as adequate as well, but may have been due to a different port design)

Yes, they are in mint condition, with all original packaging, etc. 6 months old.

For my reciever it will be something from Best Buy(Magnolia included) as I have a connection for the Employee Discount. I've been looking at the Yamaha's, Pioneers and Denon. I may wait a bit on the receiver as I recently acquired a PS3 and want to take full advantage of it's audio capabilities. Then after that add the RC-10's or RC surround speakers for the rears.

Thanks again,
B
WestCoastD's Avatar WestCoastD 05:36 PM 12-23-2006
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I'm glad to hear that they will be fine at low levels as well. That is one of the reasons I sold my C-5's, they just didn't sound as tight as my C-3's

I had the C-5's they are very good speakers, they definitely respond differently to better (or more) power. Initially I used a much lower-power Yamaha receiver (RX-V450, 80W X 7), and it just did'nt sound like I'd hoped. Later I switched to an RX-V1600 (120W X 7), and it was significantly better.

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For my reciever it will be something from Best Buy (Magnolia included) as I have a connection for the Employee Discount. I've been looking at the Yamaha's, Pioneers and Denon.

Well, if you have that kind of discount connection then you can consider the Yamaha RX-V2700, Denon AVR-4306, Denon AVR-3806, or a Pioneer Elite VSX-84TXSi.

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I may wait a bit on the receiver as I recently acquired a PS3 and want to take full advantage of it's audio capabilities.

I'm not sure what you mean here?
ChrisCollins's Avatar ChrisCollins 06:13 PM 12-25-2006
Anyone notice that they are now selling the RC series over at Audio Advisor
briankmonkey's Avatar briankmonkey 08:59 AM 12-26-2006
Gotcha, that makes sense WestCoastD. The receive was 100x6 (yamaha) so it probably just wasn't enough juice to control the low end.

Yeah, I was mainly looking at those types of models. Wanted to spend under 1k after discount which is possible for the 3806 and VSX84 after discount.

Oh, for that part I meant the HDMI abilities for the lossless codecs out of the PS3.
droidd2000's Avatar droidd2000 11:20 AM 12-29-2006
Please help me choose receiver to go together with new C-500s, C-100s and C-C100 i just got at discount sale. I listened to 'em at the store wired to Yamaha 659 and quite liked the sound but alas! i can't get this yammy because it does not fit into my apparently too small equipment rack (depth is limited to 37cm), and i can't get another because my wife likes that small one too much.

I googled up receivers' sizes and found out that i can fit into my rack just these ones (i omitted el cheapo ones and those that can't be found in the stores out here):

Harman/Kardon AVR 240 ~$550
Harman/Kardon AVR 340 ~$750
Cambridge Audio Azur 540R v2 ~$550
Pioneer VSX-916 ~$400
Sony STR-DG700 ~$340
Yamaha HTR5940 ~$370
Yamaha 559 ~$450

Unfortunately i am unable to listen to most of them with my C-500s since Energy brand is very rare here in Moscow, RU. I would like to splash out no more that $600 so H/K AVR 340 is really on the verge and i would get it only if it is way better than the rest.
The set-up would be used to listen to the movies (70%), classical orchestral soundtracks (15%), rock (10%) and 70s-80s pop. There will be NO subwoofer, the room is about 15sq.m. (~160 sq. ft.)
Could someone please advise me on the receiver that should be best for me?

Many thanks in advance.
Istari1's Avatar Istari1 11:31 AM 12-29-2006
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Originally Posted by droidd2000 View Post

Please help me choose receiver to go together with new C-500s, C-100s and C-C100 i just got at discount sale. I listened to 'em at the store wired to Yamaha 659 and quite liked the sound but alas! i can't get this yammy because it does not fit into my apparently too small equipment rack (depth is limited to 37cm), and i can't get another because my wife likes that small one too much.

I googled up receivers' sizes and found out that i can fit into my rack just these ones (i omitted el cheapo ones and those that can't be found in the stores out here):

Harman/Kardon AVR 240 ~$550
Harman/Kardon AVR 340 ~$750
Cambridge Audio Azur 540R v2 ~$550
Pioneer VSX-916 ~$400
Sony STR-DG700 ~$340
Yamaha HTR5940 ~$370
Yamaha 559 ~$450

Unfortunately i am unable to listen to most of them with my C-500s since Energy brand is very rare here in Moscow, RU. I would like to splash out no more that $600 so H/K AVR 340 is really on the verge and i would get it only if it is way better than the rest.
The set-up would be used to listen to the movies (70%), classical orchestral soundtracks (15%), rock (10%) and 70s-80s pop. There will be NO subwoofer, the room is about 15sq.m. (~160 sq. ft.)
Could someone please advise me on the receiver that should be best for me?

Many thanks in advance.

The Panasonic SA-XR57 is smaller then all of those I believe and probably a better sounding AVR. Its also only $200-$250.
droidd2000's Avatar droidd2000 12:26 PM 12-29-2006
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The Panasonic SA-XR57 is smaller then all of those I believe and probably a better sounding AVR. Its also only $200-$250.

AFAIK all Panasonic receivers got digital amplifiers, and this type is VERY unpopular here in Russia (in dedicated receivers). It usually gets trashed in reviews and so... Panasonic does not sell its receivers in Russia, period. Not that it could if it tried...

Oh, and thanks for advice. A pity i can't use it.
WestCoastD's Avatar WestCoastD 12:49 PM 12-29-2006
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Originally Posted by droidd2000 View Post

Please help me choose receiver to go together with new C-500s, C-100s and C-C100 i just got at discount sale. .

I would use no less than a Yamaha RX-V2600 or RX-V659, these speakers like more power.
droidd2000's Avatar droidd2000 01:08 PM 12-29-2006
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I would use no less than a Yamaha RX-V2600 or RX-V659, these speakers like more power.

Wouldn't bi-amping Pioneer 916 or "true" 55W of H/K AVR 340 help? Unfortunately both Yamahas you suggested are more than 40cm in depth.
WestCoastD's Avatar WestCoastD 07:34 PM 12-29-2006
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Wouldn't bi-amping Pioneer 916 or "true" 55W of H/K AVR 340 help? Unfortunately both Yamahas you suggested are more than 40cm in depth.

bi-amping may help some. I tried it using a Yamaha RX-V1600, it really made my C-300's come to life moreso- I thought.

The HK will probably work okay, however, you will not really know until you try. I would try to get somewhere near 100W per/chan if possible.
WestCoastD's Avatar WestCoastD 09:36 PM 12-29-2006
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i can't get another because my wife likes that small one too much.

you may have to work on the wife..........
judge_dredd's Avatar judge_dredd 10:36 PM 01-05-2007
Hey guys,

Just found this forum and have used it to sort out some sub issues I have, thought maybe I'd try to get some opinions on my speakers now. I have had my C-Series for about a month now and I think I have them pretty well broken in. I have C-300's in the front, C-C100 for the center, and C-50's for the rears.

When I use my receivers auto set up (Onkyo TX-SR604), it sets all of the speakers to full range. From what I have read this isn't the best configuration so I have gone in and set crossover points for them, but I'm not sure I've selected the best ones.

My receiver will allow, full band, 40Hz, 50Hz, 60Hz, 80Hz, 100Hz, 120Hz, 150Hz, and 200Hz. Currently I have the fronts set to 50Hz, the center set to 60Hz, and the surrounds to 80Hz. Anybody have any opinion on this, or perhaps a suggestion for the best sound?

Thanks for the help
WestCoastD's Avatar WestCoastD 12:31 AM 01-06-2007
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My receiver will allow, full band, 40Hz, 50Hz, 60Hz, 80Hz, 100Hz, 120Hz, 150Hz, and 200Hz. Currently I have the fronts set to 50Hz, the center set to 60Hz, and the surrounds to 80Hz. Anybody have any opinion on this, or perhaps a suggestion for the best sound?

I had the same exact set-up, only using a Yamaha RX-V2600 receiver, it sounded pretty good.

I'm not exactly sure how to correlate your Onkyo TX-SR604 speaker frequency-band selections to my Yamaha (it has speaker "size" settings instead), however, I have all speakers set for "SMALL", and set LFE (low frequency effect) for 80Hz. This way all LFE (below 80Hz) is handled by the sub-woofer.

Anyway, after looking at Energy C-Series specs, it looks like 50Hz is probably good for the C-300's; I would do 60Hz for the C-C100; 80Hz for the C-50's.
soundlovr's Avatar soundlovr 02:13 AM 01-06-2007
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My receiver will allow, full band, 40Hz, 50Hz, 60Hz, 80Hz, 100Hz, 120Hz, 150Hz, and 200Hz. Currently I have the fronts set to 50Hz, the center set to 60Hz, and the surrounds to 80Hz. Anybody have any opinion on this, or perhaps a suggestion for the best sound?

I'm not familiar with the inner-workings of the Onkyo, but just setting the crossover wouldn't do it in my receiver; there's a second setting for setting the speakers to 'small' and that is pretty common practice. If you set the crossover but left the speakers as 'large' you might not actually end up with anything happening differently.

Beyond that suggestion, the 300's really aren't big speakers. I'd cross them over no lower than 80Hz (the THX crossover point) as the initial starting point and tweak from there.
judge_dredd's Avatar judge_dredd 10:56 AM 01-06-2007
Thanks guys,

The Onkyo doesn't provide a setting for large or small speakers. All it allows is for you to set the crossover point for them, as we have discussed, but it also allows you to specify the low pass filter for the lfe which I have set to 120Hz (sub is a Velodyne DLS-3750R). I will try maybe increasing the crossovers for the speakers, is there a chart of sorts that provides general crossover points for speakers based on their driver size?

Cheers.
WestCoastD's Avatar WestCoastD 05:39 PM 01-06-2007
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The Onkyo doesn't provide a setting for large or small speakers. All it allows is for you to set the crossover point for them, as we have discussed, but it also allows you to specify the low pass filter for the lfe which I have set to 120Hz (sub is a Velodyne DLS-3750R)..

I would definitely set your LFE for 80Hz.

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I will try maybe increasing the crossovers for the speakers, is there a chart of sorts that provides general crossover points for speakers based on their driver size?

Now I understand the Onkyo a little better after reading thru the TX-SR604 manual, Speaker Configuration, under "Speaker Set-up" section (page 67). It provides the whole selection of cross-over frequencies, including "full-band" selection, for each speaker. Also provides a separate LFE frequency selection.

Like I mention above I would definitely set your LFE for 80Hz, especially since you're using a sub (for DolbyDigital, DTS, ProLogic II, etc.,...).

You can play around with various frequency settings for all other speakers. I'd probably start with 60Hz for the C-300's, maybe 60Hz for the C-C100, and maybe 80Hz for the C50's (this equates to approx = 20Hz above each speakers' low-end range).

However, for dedicated music (2-channel stereo) I would set your receiver, such that, the front (C-300's) are full-range, with NO sub.

I don't know of any particular charts myself, I would just go by the Energy frequency-range specs (listed at their web-site).
gthal's Avatar gthal 09:05 AM 01-07-2007
I run my C-500's (with a Pioneer VSX -1016) as small, crossed over to the sub at 80Hz for two channel music and really find it opens up the mid range. It's subtle, but for me, I like to still use the sub for 2 channel music (although I tend to go back and forth).

I also find the receiver doesn't run as hot when the sub is handling the low frequencies and you are playing it loud.

I think it's personal preference but, if I were you, I would experiment a little with the settings to see what you prefer.
WestCoastD's Avatar WestCoastD 03:29 PM 01-07-2007
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I run my C-500's (with a Pioneer VSX -1016) as small, crossed over to the sub at 80Hz for two channel music and really find it opens up the mid range. It's subtle, but for me, I like to still use the sub for 2 channel music (although I tend to go back and forth).

I find the more full-range tower's, like the C-300's and C-500's especially, exhibit a more "natural" sound with 2-channel, and multi-channel, music, by themselves (no sub).

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I also find the receiver doesn't run as hot when the sub is handling the low frequencies and you are playing it loud.

That could be true. However, the receiver's only driving two channels so heat, or over-loading, should'nt be an issue of concern at all.

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I think it's personal preference but, if I were you, I would experiment a little with the settings to see what you prefer.

exactly!
Jottle's Avatar Jottle 09:54 PM 01-07-2007
Anyone have a pair of RC-10's I might be able to listen to in the SoCal/San Diego area? Pleae PM me.
Typhon's Avatar Typhon 06:16 AM 01-08-2007
I'm considering some RC-10s for a 2 channel stereo system I'm building. My question is how do these speakers perform with rock/metal music. Does the revealing nature of the RC-10's make the errors in poorly recorded material and mp3s sound a little too obvious? Could they be considered too revealing?

I am planning on pairing the RC-10's with an HK 3480 and a Martin Logan Dynamo.
judge_dredd's Avatar judge_dredd 08:58 AM 01-08-2007
Cool,

Thanks for the help, I will experiment with them a little bit. I noticed something that was odd about my speakers recently. I decided to take of the grills, just for a bit different of a look, and noticed that the grill posts are chrome on all of the speakers except for the C-C100's which are black. This seems odd to me that they don't match. Does anyone know if energy maybe does this on purpose, as the center channel usually sits on top of the tv and the black ones are maybe less distracting to the eye?

Thanks again.
WestCoastD's Avatar WestCoastD 06:05 PM 01-08-2007
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I decided to take of the grills, just for a bit different of a look, and noticed that the grill posts are chrome on all of the speakers except for the C-C100's which are black.

hmmm, chrome post's?

As I remember my C-Series had (black-colored) round plastic-molded inserts for the grill (molded) plastic pegs to seat into and position the grill over the speaker.

Maybe the latest versions being manufactured have updated grill mounting pieces? Maybe you have a mix of newer and older product?
pdxman80's Avatar pdxman80 06:45 PM 01-11-2007
Hello all,
an acquaintance recently offered me $600 for a nearly 10-year old set of energys (2 c-6 connoiseurs, 2 2+2 audisseys, an EC-200 center and an Es-12 sub). I have no idea of that's a good deal (for me or him) and was hoping ya'll could help me out. I know that I paid top dollar for all that back in 96 or 97 but don't know how well they've kept their value.
Thx much!
judge_dredd's Avatar judge_dredd 08:26 PM 01-11-2007
WestcoastD,

The design of the speaker grills is exactly the same between the center channel and the others, it's just that the actual pegs that are mounted on the speakers are chrome vs. black. I actually contacted Energy regarding this and they weren't sure what happened there. I also called A&B Sound as I had previously noticed that in the center channel the tweeter was installed upside down, ie. the energy logo was upside down. Due to these issues A&B have offered to swap this speaker for me, so all is well.
pschwartz's Avatar pschwartz 08:36 PM 01-11-2007
Is there anyone on this thread running a Marantz or Sherwood to an RC set up? I'm considering these components and wondering if anyone has coments on how they match up.
WestCoastD's Avatar WestCoastD 10:31 PM 01-11-2007
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I actually contacted Energy regarding this and they weren't sure what happened there. I also called A&B Sound as I had previously noticed that in the center channel the tweeter was installed upside down, ie. the energy logo was upside down. Due to these issues A&B have offered to swap this speaker for me, so all is well.

wow, that's great!
WestCoastD's Avatar WestCoastD 10:34 PM 01-11-2007
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Is there anyone on this thread running a Marantz or Sherwood to an RC set up? I'm considering these components and wondering if anyone has coments on how they match up.

I have'nt used either receiver brand myself, however, I understand both have excellent amplifier/power-supply sections (very efficient), I'm sure they will work well with RC-Series. I would prefer at least 100W per/chan minimum.
pschwartz's Avatar pschwartz 10:40 PM 01-11-2007
Thanks WestCoastD, I read how effecient they are supposed to be, then I read reviews from people saying that they need plenty of high quality power. Would you think it's safe to assume, if I'm looking at the higher lines of both mentioned brands, I would not have any problems with dynamics?
WestCoastD's Avatar WestCoastD 11:47 PM 01-11-2007
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I read reviews from people saying that they need plenty of high quality power. Would you think it's safe to assume, if I'm looking at the higher lines of both mentioned brands, I would not have any problems with dynamics?

yeah, the RC-Series love power.

However, I think you would be happy using a Marantz SR8001 (even better an SR9600, but much more expensive).

Or maybe one of these new Sherwood/NewCastle R-972's (below). Or an R-965.
http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CESpr...erwoodR972.php

On the other hand I would prefer to use a separate, 150W to 200W per/chan, multi-channel amp- ie. Outlaw 7500 (200W X 5), or an NAD T973 (140W X 7) for example, along with a good receiver, or separate pre-pro.
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