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guys does vann's ship fed-ex? I believe they do.

if they do, i will just pay 20$ more and get the c100s, because i don't trust wwstereo UPS. you guys have been receiving busted up c300s, and i really don't want to take this risk!
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guys does vann's ship fed-ex? I believe they do.

if they do, i will just pay 20$ more and get the c100s, because i don't trust wwstereo UPS. you guys have been receiving busted up c300s, and i really don't want to take this risk!

Oh wonderful ... my C-300's from UPS wwstereo get here tomorrow ... FML lol.

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Time to share some pictures of my setup since I finished the wiring last week...

Panasonic TH-50PX80U 50" 720p Plasma
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Energy C-C100 Center
Energy C-50 Surrounds
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Time to share some pictures of my setup since I finished the wiring last week...

Panasonic TH-50PX80U 50" 720p Plasma
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Looks good! Is that the biggest TV you could fit in the alloted space?
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Well my speakers are completely finished ... now i just need an AVR ...

I also pulled the trigger on a Bic H100 sub. soo i have a 5.1 system now.

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guys does vann's ship fed-ex? I believe they do.

if they do, i will just pay 20$ more and get the c100s, because i don't trust wwstereo UPS. you guys have been receiving busted up c300s, and i really don't want to take this risk!

I think the weekend deal on the C100s at Vann's ends today. I decided to replace my 4 JBL satellite surrounds with 4 C100s. The guy said should ship today or tomorrow. I was so impressed with the performance of the energy's after a full break in, that I could not pass up the deal at Vanns. I wanted to match the speakers while they can still be had!

That will give me:
2 x C-300
1 x C-C100
4 x C100
An old 10" JBL sub that I will have to replace at some point. Still handles stuff below 80Hz fairly well.
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I think the weekend deal on the C100s at Vann's ends today. I decided to replace my 4 JBL satellite surrounds with 4 C100s. The guy said should ship today or tomorrow. I was so impressed with the performance of the energy's after a full break in, that I could not pass up the deal at Vanns. I wanted to match the speakers while they can still be had!

That will give me:
2 x C-300
1 x C-C100
4 x C100
An old 10" JBL sub that I will have to replace at some point. Still handles stuff below 80Hz fairly well.

im actually not able to take part in that deal as i have a canadian credit card and am forced to go through amazon, as they can process it. Im shipping it to the states and then picking it up. so sale or not, it's 120 for me...which is still amazing!

anyone else knows if they use fedex?
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Just give them a call and ask.... 800-769-5668.


I'm really going insane waiting for my C-500's! CANT WAIT! The guy shipped UPS and said he packaged them really well in bubble wrap and had them insured. I wish I could see exactly where they are at right now but It won't come up on UPS when I type in the tracking #. My basic info is they only thing that comes up along with the date shipped. It says it should be here on wed. so i'll be playing with these all day! I still need to get an optical cable for my xbox 360 and some HDMI cables! Does anyone know how long it takes monoprice.com to ship stuff usually?

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Just give them a call and ask.... 800-769-5668.


I'm really going insane waiting for my C-500's! CANT WAIT! The guy shipped UPS and said he packaged them really well in bubble wrap and had them insured. I wish I could see exactly where they are at right now but It won't come up on UPS when I type in the tracking #. My basic info is they only thing that comes up along with the date shipped. It says it should be here on wed. so i'll be playing with these all day! I still need to get an optical cable for my xbox 360 and some HDMI cables! Does anyone know how long it takes monoprice.com to ship stuff usually?

When I have ordered from Monoprice they have shipped the next day.
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Yeh my bank account is bone dry though right now so I guess I'll just have to wait a couple days to order them and get everything hooked up through the 663. Pretty nice when an optical cable and 2 HDMI's come out to $12 shipped! Incredible....and BB charges over $100 for a single HDMI...crazy amount of profit right there. When I worked there, if someone was about to buy an HDMI that was in college or was cool while I was helping them, I'd just let them know about monoprice lol

Edit- And thats not the reason I dont work there anymore lol

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I'm thinking of getting the C-300s for my front speakers for a smaller room to use with my onkyo 606. What do you guys think about them? If it's good I will get the C-100s for the surround rears and center and match it with a mirage prestige S8. What do you think?

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Sounds good.
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I'm too am noticing that there is a bit of something "missing" in my C-100's with C-C100 setup. I do like how the C-Series are non-fatiguing and not as forward sounding or overwhelming as other speakers are in smaller rooms. Basically these guys seem well-suited for a small room, as you don't want to be inundated with the highs and feel like there's no headroom.

I do notice the highs can get kind of scratchy/coarse with these. I'm just wondering here. Even the C-C100 seems to struggle a bit when someone yells onscreen. I will hear just a hint of unclarity or scratchiness as if the speakers are struggling a little. I mean even Sony flatscreen speakers can handle voices of greater volume, I almost want to yell "come on guys!"

I also think I'm not yet used to a flatter sound, as I do notice I can increase the volume without feeling overwhelmed with treble. I still think the highs on these C-Series speakers, while laid back, are fairly weak.

I had asked about Dynamic EQ earlier as I thought there was there was a bit of something missing in the bass region with this setup. I don't think this is the C-series fault. I think even the C-100's produce enough bass down to 60Hz without rolling off tremendously. I think it's my subwoofer - the phase settings are normal and reverse on my Sony sub. One phase gives you a deeper sounding bass while leaving a gap in the 50-80Hz range, while "reverse" setting reduces the deep-bass, but fills in the gap at 50-80Hz. So it's a tradeoff either way. I'm considering using the "normal" setting and crossing the C-series speakers all at 50 or 60Hz.

I've heard from several of you that 100 hours of use does prove to show positive difference. I've heard from others this is more "psycho-acoustics" than anything else. I have to say that my experience with these speakers so far is "neutral" with the C-series. I want them to work though as there's enough I do like with them.
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just a heads up for anyone wanting/looking for the c-500. i noticed that the price for the C-500 on amazon just dropped to 289.99 from 350 each.

i already have 2 c-300, 1 c-c100, and 2 c-50 in the living room. i have a pair of c-100 coming in wednesday and have a spare c-c50 in the closet so once the c-500 comes in, i'll set up the c-100,c-c50,c-50 in my bedroom and have the c-500,c-300,c-c100 in the living room. i know it might be overkill but i couldn't pass up the deal since i've been looking like crazy for some c-500. i remember reading about some one have a similar setup? or not.

i have an extra sub from my old setup i'll use in the bedroom. i currently have an older 5.1 logitech speaker set for the bedroom.
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$289 each for the C-500 doesn't sound like a deal when they went for $350 pr on wwstereo a few months ago.

for that price you can get the RC-30 towers which are a higher line speaker with better fit and finish.
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...0%20%20%20SBLK

they also have them in the beautiful rosenut finish.
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...0%20%20%20SRNT

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I do notice the highs can get kind of scratchy/coarse with these. I'm just wondering here. Even the C-C100 seems to struggle a bit when someone yells onscreen. I will hear just a hint of unclarity or scratchiness as if the speakers are struggling a little.

To be frank -- there is no such thing as a cheap speaker that can REALLY handle loud treble without coarseness/hash/fatigue. That is one of things you are paying for when you buy more expensive speakers, better tweeters allow you to play louder and still maintain smoothness/clarity without the fatigue of cheap tweeters in most entry-level speakers. That's why we always say the C-Series are great for the money, but they are still only scratching the entry level of "real" speakers.

And, frankly, the RC's are still really "entry level" in the grand scheme as well. What makes them so excellent (and why reviewers love them) is the tweeter fights well above its price class in terms of smoothness, preservation of detail without becoming hashy or harsh.

A lot depends on you, your room, your preferences, how sensitive you are to sound quality, etc. My buddy's is thrilled with his hodgepodge mismatched Energy setup that I assembled for him on a severe budget, but I would probably not be able to live with it for my setup because I have gotten used to the higher quality of the RC's and am a more critical listener.

Many people will be thrilled with the C-Series, some people will have their appetite whetted and thirst for more. I too still hunger for even more; thankfully my budget won't allow it for now, and with my living space I couldn't even do a higher end speaker justice anyway.

Unfortunately, you may be discovering that you are in the latter group and are on the slippery slope of "upgrade-itis" and soon your longing gaze will turn towards even better speakers..

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I had asked about Dynamic EQ earlier as I thought there was there was a bit of something missing in the bass region with this setup. I don't think this is the C-series fault. I think even the C-100's produce enough bass down to 60Hz without rolling off tremendously. I think it's my subwoofer - the phase settings are normal and reverse on my Sony sub.

I don't know what exact model you have but Sony subs are generally garbage. I can tell you that when I moved on from my first sub, which was a budget Sony model from Circuit City, the improvements were huge. I could never integrate that PoS into my system properly, and when I finally replaced it with something better I discovered that it wasn't me, it was the crappy sub that was at fault.

In other words, "upgrade-itis" and the slippery slope are at your doorstep

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just a heads up for anyone wanting/looking for the c-500. i noticed that the price for the C-500 on amazon just dropped to 289.99 from 350 each.

i already have 2 c-300, 1 c-c100, and 2 c-50 in the living room. i have a pair of c-100 coming in wednesday and have a spare c-c50 in the closet so once the c-500 comes in, i'll set up the c-100,c-c50,c-50 in my bedroom and have the c-500,c-300,c-c100 in the living room. i know it might be overkill but i couldn't pass up the deal since i've been looking like crazy for some c-500. i remember reading about some one have a similar setup? or not.

i have an extra sub from my old setup i'll use in the bedroom. i currently have an older 5.1 logitech speaker set for the bedroom.


Yeah thats not too good of a deal to be honest. Those RC-30's for a tad more should be much better given the reviews. Still hope these C-500's can hold their own though!!!

...which brings me to my next point!

So I call my local UPS store b/c it's still not showing any location info on that UPS tracking #. So I call them and they say the guy has paid and stuff but they haven't received the package yet. I e-mailed him to ask him what the deal is and he said "i'll contact my local UPS and see what's wrong". I was super excited thinking I might be getting these wed. or earlier but now that he hasn't even shipped yet....well we might be looking at next week! Really pisses me off b/c he never said that he hasn't shipped them yet. Kinda odd that you would go pay for shipping and supposedly insurance and pick up the tracking # on the 26th but not ship it out yet.

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yes, 350/pr is a way better deal but it was before i started looking into upgrading my set. im always unlucky in that respect. i'm always missing the good deals. before Feb, i didn't even know of Energy. in that regard, thanks for all the info i was able to get from this thread. i'll check the RCs out. i know from reading, they are awesome.

edit: i cancelled the c-500s and doing a double look at the rc-30s. thanks for the info afrogt. rosenut looks gorgeous but the rest of my system is already black. the c-c100 and rc-30 not matching won't matter much?
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Time to share some pictures of my setup since I finished the wiring last week...

Panasonic TH-50PX80U 50" 720p Plasma
Denon AVR-789
Energy C-200 Front speakers
Energy C-C100 Center
Energy C-50 Surrounds
Premier Acoustics PA-120 Subwoofer

Yohan, great looking setup!

Questions:

1. how do you like the C-200's + the PA-120? Let's hear a review!

2. are you using the port plugs with the C-200's being in a partially enclosed space?


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1. the pics are awesome, but it would be helpful if folks would RESIZE their photos to a more manageable size

2. Since you have the Denon, Audyssey will help to compensate, but have you thought about pushing the C-200's a couple of inches forward so they are closer to the front edge of the shelf? You will probably get a little cleaner sound as the speakers front edge will be forward of the reflective surfaces around it.

Looks beautiful though, good to see the Cherry finish in action, it's a perfect match!

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Guess I am now an Energy Owner


Here's what I bought online last week:

Energy C-300 pair
Energy C-50 pair
Energy C-C100
No sub yet though...

Got a sweet deal on the C-300's with a pair of C-50's. Paid $149 shipped for all 4 speakers at wwstereo!!!

...I signed up for a new sony credit card that gave me a $200 credit after my first purchase of $349 = Killer deal!!!!


Picked up the C-C100 at buy.com for $108.99 shipped (with a $5 off code)


So I got all this -

Energy C-300 pair
Energy C-50 pair
Energy C-C100

For $257.99 shipped!




Everything should arrive sometime this week!!!!

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Thanks Batpig - that made a lot of sense. Yes, I think some of the cheaper speakers do produce what soound like strong highs when in reality they are very fatiguing. My Sony tower speakers really were enveloping with the higher frequencies, but I found them to be VERY fatiguing at lower volumes and after short amounts of time. Even with Audyssey it was too bright.

I think I'm fine with how the Energy's sound, and am thankful for the laid back highs at that price. I think it's the bass that has been lacking, and i'm not sure it's the Energy speaker's fault, it could be the sub. I think my Sony towers were so boomy that they disguised some shortcomings of the sub. Now that these Energy's are producing some reasonably flat-sounding response it leaves the subs shortcoming more out in the open.

If it's any upgrading that needs to be done it needs to be the subwoofer I think. I'm going to look at what others have recommended in pairing a sub with the C-100's etc. I want something that is smooth without shaking my room.

To me a good subwoofer is one that puts out JUST the right amount of bass without having to hear the walls crack. I use a subdude with additional fabric hoisting the sub a few more inches and most of the excess boom is gone. Still, there are some holes in the response that I think the Sony is not able to full.
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Thanks Batpig - that made a lot of sense. Yes, I think some of the cheaper speakers do produce what soound like strong highs when in reality they are very fatiguing. My Sony tower speakers really were enveloping with the higher frequencies, but I found them to be VERY fatiguing at lower volumes and after short amounts of time. Even with Audyssey it was too bright.

I think I'm fine with how the Energy's sound, and am thankful for the laid back highs at that price. I think it's the bass that has been lacking, and i'm not sure it's the Energy speaker's fault, it could be the sub. I think my Sony towers were so boomy that they disguised some shortcomings of the sub. Now that these Energy's are producing some reasonably flat-sounding response it leaves the subs shortcoming more out in the open.

If it's any upgrading that needs to be done it needs to be the subwoofer I think. I'm going to look at what others have recommended in pairing a sub with the C-100's etc. I want something that is smooth without shaking my room.

To me a good subwoofer is one that puts out JUST the right amount of bass without having to hear the walls crack. I use a subdude with additional fabric hoisting the sub a few more inches and most of the excess boom is gone. Still, there are some holes in the response that I think the Sony is not able to full.


I would almost bet that your Sony sub is dubbing your system down a whole lot! Sony is not known for making anything really that great in the audio industry, at least thats how I feel. I think your realizing the neutral sound across the freq. spectrum and its throwing you off b/c your used to harsh highs, boomy bass and no midrange. It sounds like your used to the boomy bass head speakers that are made for purely music. I used to have 4 JBL floorstanding speakers in my room (parents house when I lived there) with 12" woofers in them and I thought it sounded great lol! But now that I have heard "real" HT equipment it makes you realize what your missing in all frequencies. In that case, whats your budget for a sub? Add in what you could possibly sell the sony for too! You should feel a good sub....not hear it

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Thanks Batpig - that made a lot of sense. Yes, I think some of the cheaper speakers do produce what soound like strong highs when in reality they are very fatiguing. My Sony tower speakers really were enveloping with the higher frequencies, but I found them to be VERY fatiguing at lower volumes and after short amounts of time. Even with Audyssey it was too bright.

I think I'm fine with how the Energy's sound, and am thankful for the laid back highs at that price. I think it's the bass that has been lacking, and i'm not sure it's the Energy speaker's fault, it could be the sub. I think my Sony towers were so boomy that they disguised some shortcomings of the sub. Now that these Energy's are producing some reasonably flat-sounding response it leaves the subs shortcoming more out in the open.

If it's any upgrading that needs to be done it needs to be the subwoofer I think. I'm going to look at what others have recommended in pairing a sub with the C-100's etc. I want something that is smooth without shaking my room.

To me a good subwoofer is one that puts out JUST the right amount of bass without having to hear the walls crack. I use a subdude with additional fabric hoisting the sub a few more inches and most of the excess boom is gone. Still, there are some holes in the response that I think the Sony is not able to full.


Have you taken a look at this sub? http://stores.channeladvisor.com/the...0%20Watt%20Sub

That's what I'm probably gonna buy for my Energy system...
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I would almost bet that your Sony sub is dubbing your system down a whole lot! Sony is not known for making anything really that great in the audio industry, at least thats how I feel. I think your realizing the neutral sound across the freq. spectrum and its throwing you off b/c your used to harsh highs, boomy bass and no midrange. It sounds like your used to the boomy bass head speakers that are made for purely music. I used to have 4 JBL floorstanding speakers in my room (parents house when I lived there) with 12" woofers in them and I thought it sounded great lol! But now that I have heard "real" HT equipment it makes you realize what your missing in all frequencies. In that case, whats your budget for a sub? Add in what you could possibly sell the sony for too! You should feel a good sub....not hear it

That sounds about right. I found the sub to really me serve me well for what I needed with my previous speakers. I might need something else now. I live in an apartment so I'm not looking for one that gets complaints. The Sony sub I was able to tame quite well and I got no complaints. It is near the corner just behind center and left speaker, although it stands on about 10 inches of subdude and other material for isolation, and the corner is treated. Still, it has become choppy and I feel ther are some holes in the response.

I know placement is key, but let's face it, most of us are forced to place our subs in the vicinity of the room's corner. I want to feel the bass, but enough of it shy of having the room shake - and it is possible to have a subwoofer in an apartment. I've found the apartment dwelling forces you to get things flat, which is a good thing no matter where you are. The Energy's have done this very well in synergy with Audyssey Multi-EQ. Now i want a sub that will perform the same!

Acoustic Audio HD-SUB12 - Will check it out. Thanks!
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Acoustic Audio HD-SUB12 - Will check it out. Thanks!


It seems to be the most bang for the buck sub I have come across so far...
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Acoustic Audio HD-SUB12 - Will check it out. Thanks!


check out this thread for more info and some pics of the 12" Acoustic Audio Sub...

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=85212
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thanks for the quick response and info batpig! Truthfully after looking over what you recommended, I think that is the way I am going to go. This essentially makes the second question/choice that I had pretty much void.
Since I'm going to piece my HT together, I'm just going to grab the c-50's for my surrounds since I don't see the c-r100's sold seperately anywhere else, only sold in the package on WWStereo.

Thanks again for the help. I will be sure to post my experience with my setup when I get it together.

wwstereo sells the c-r100s for $79 a piece (so 158 a pair) on their ebay site, and I presume their regular e-store as well.
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The mirage prestige 8" sub seems to be the best bang for the buck sub for apartment dwellers.
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Guess I am now an Energy Owner


Here's what I bought online last week:

Energy C-300 pair
Energy C-50 pair
Energy C-C100
No sub yet though...

Got a sweet deal on the C-300's with a pair of C-50's. Paid $149 shipped for all 4 speakers at wwstereo!!!
...I signed up for a new sony credit card that gave me a $200 credit after my first purchase of $349 = Killer deal!!!!


Picked up the C-C100 at buy.com for $108.99 shipped (with a $5 off code)


So I got all this -

Energy C-300 pair
Energy C-50 pair
Energy C-C100

For $257.99 shipped!




Everything should arrive sometime this week!!!!


How did you get such a good deal??
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How did you get such a good deal??

He signed up for s Sony Card, $200 credit after my first purchase of $349
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