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you should read the last 20-30 pages of this thread.... this is good form when entering any long "owner's thread" as it is likely your question has been discussed several times recently.

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I got my CF-30's from electronic expo this week. I'm listening to some music right now and it sounds pretty nice. MY gf commented on how much better everything sounds. I wanted to RC-10's but I don't want to deal with trying to find matching speakers down the road.

FYI, that coupon code should work on most of the speakers. I want to pick up a center channel but they don't carry the CC-10. The CC-5 works better for the space I have and is much cheaper. Not sure if I should go with it or not.

Im running the CC-10 with my CF-30s and they really match perfectly together. Nothing wrong with the CC-5 but I think the CC-10 matches better with the towers.

I had the same dilemma as you when trying to decide on a center. I ended up calling vanns.com and asking them what kind of discount they could give on the CC-10 and they offered it to me for $199. I would try that if you are willing to take it for that price. Otherwise, the CC-5 should be acceptable.

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Im running the CC-10 with my CF-30s and they really match perfectly together. Nothing wrong with the CC-5 but I think the CC-10 matches better with the towers.

I had the same dilemma as you when trying to decide on a center. I ended up calling vanns.com and asking them what kind of discount they could give on the CC-10 and they offered it to me for $199. I would try that if you are willing to take it for that price. Otherwise, the CC-5 should be acceptable.

Thanks, man. I know I should get the 10, but I think I'm just being lazy.
I'd have to buy/build a stand for it so it works in my space. But, I know in the long run it would be better to have the upgraded speaker.
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I wonder how the CF 30 sounds.
I have a pair of RC 30 and the are powered by a Denon with multeqXT and they sound fabulous. It looks that Futureshop does not carry the RC 30 anymore.
My daughter is mooving in her new home and she asked me to recommend her speakers with a similar sound of my RC 30 .
I would prefer sticking with Energy....but i'm affraid that Klipsh is polluting the Energy sound

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3Perf, keep an eye on canukaudiomart. There is almost always someone on their selling some RC series any given week.
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Can someone tell me how the sound of RC-50 in center along with RC-10s in front Left and right?
I have enough space for rc-50 in standing position below my 52" TV which is wall mounted.
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For the money, I would think about the RC-LCR.
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I'm sure the RC-50 is a better speaker than the LCR, and RC-10. I'd imagine that the RC-50 would look funny though with RC-10s as mains.
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Can someone tell me how the sound of RC-50 in center along with RC-10s in front Left and right?
I have enough space for rc-50 in standing position below my 52" TV which is wall mounted.

I'd be tempted to go with the RC-50. If you can add a couple more down the line, you could move the RC-10s to the back for surrounds. 3 RC-50s across the front could sound very sweet one day. Until then, the RC-10/RC-50 should sound great.

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I'd be tempted to go with the RC-50. If you can add a couple more down the line, you could move the RC-10s to the back for surrounds. 3 RC-50s across the front could sound very sweet one day. Until then, the RC-10/RC-50 should sound great.


Yeah the RC-50 would be a nice center, but it would look really odd with the RC-10s on the side. I'd just get all three RC-50's now and not have to worry about availability later

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This is exactly my plan for the future. But I just wanted to make sure I should be OK with sound quality of rc-50 in center with rc-10s in L/R until I can afford two more RC-50s.
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A speaker that goes lower on the frequencies, lets say it starts at 33hz to 23khz and another from 40 plus hz or higher to 23khz, does this necessarily mean the one that go lower is better? I thought a speaker that goes to lower frequencies reproduces more sound than the other. I'm looking at tower speakers which are higher end than Energy and their frequency response are higher than the RC 50 I'm comparing them to.
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This is exactly my plan for the future. But I just wanted to make sure I should be OK with sound quality of rc-50 in center with rc-10s in L/R until I can afford two more RC-50s.

Personally, I like this plan. I always say that 3 matched speakers across the front is the ideal, and 3 RC-50s across the front should sound terrific. In the meantime, the RC-10s with an RC-50 center should work well. Of course, I've never heard the RC-50s personally, but I've heard everything else from the RC-10 up through the RC-70 (no mini's or micro's). If there were any way for me to fit 3 RC-70s across the front in my home theater, I'd do it in a heartbeat, but I barely have room for two.

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considering that, for movies, the center speaker is the most important, the RC-50 center would work fine in a pinch for the time being.

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A speaker that goes lower on the frequencies, lets say it starts at 33hz to 23khz and another from 40 plus hz or higher to 23khz, does this necessarily mean the one that go lower is better? I thought a speaker that goes to lower frequencies reproduces more sound than the other. I'm looking at tower speakers which are higher end than Energy and their frequency response are higher than the RC 50 I'm comparing them to.

no. there is barely any correlation with frequency response specs and speaker quality.

plus, just because a speaker can produce a certain frequency doesn't mean that it can do it WELL.

additionally, you have to contend with the fact that the "on paper" specs may not match up with real world performance. once common example is receiver wattage ratings -- do you really think a 110Wx5 rated Yamaha RX-V465 with a $299 price tag actually has more power than, say, a $1000 Marantz only rated at 100W per channel?

basically, speaker specs "on paper" are almost useless when trying to make judgements of relative quality.

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And 90% of my listening is home theater (movies) only. I am hoping to have much better sound stage with "rc-50 in center" compare to "rc-10 in center".
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Hello:

I set up my L/R front RC-10s using the Take Classic Center and two satellites for surround speakers. (I am still working on the center channel replacement.) I am also using an ESW-V8 subwoofer.

I auto-calibrated the system through my Denon 2310 and came up with the following settings: Fronts were set to large (full-range), center at 110Hz, rears crossed over at 100Hz, and the subwoofer (set on bypass) was set to LFE to LFP 80Hz. Does this seem strange? I thought the Takes should be around 120Hz and the subwoofer at 120Hz too?

So I switched the fronts to small, crossed them over at 80Hz, cranked the Takes to 120 Hz, and upped the SW setting to 120Hz?

Someone give me some advice. I need it.

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I set up my L/R front RC-10s using the Take Classic Center and two satellites for surround speakers. (I am still working on the center channel replacement.) I am also using an ESW-V8 subwoofer.

I auto-calibrated the system through my Denon 2310 and came up with the following settings: Fronts were set to large (full-range), center at 110Hz, rears crossed over at 100Hz, and the subwoofer (set on bypass) was set to LFE to LFP 80Hz. Does this seem strange? I thought the Takes should be around 120Hz and the subwoofer at 120Hz too?

So I switched the fronts to small, crossed them over at 80Hz, cranked the Takes to 120 Hz, and upped the SW setting to 120Hz?

Someone give me some advice. I need it.

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I don't have a Denon, but it sounds like you have made the right corrections. What makes you think you need help?
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Hello everyone. I would like to thank all for posting their experience and advice on this board. I've read through as much of the thread as I could muster. Based on the comments, I ended up jumping on the RC-10 bandwagon. I now have a RC-10 setup for the fronts. Sure am glad I did. Man, is that a sweet sound or what, especially for watching movies compared to the TV sound. Like a whole new world .

So, I ended up buying 2 pairs of the RC-10s. I wished I could have got them at the sales price earlier, but at least I got them before they ran out of stock at Vanns. So, that leaves me with one left over that I don't need. I've read people here making arrangements for selling the one they had, but I've done that before and ran into nothing but trouble. So, I decided to put it on eBay instead, where I have better protection. Just for anyone who is interested, there is a black single RC-10 for sale now.

Again, thanks to all who helped me go this route.
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Hi! I have spent several months reading through quite a bit of material on AVS-F to help me stay informed while upgrading my sound system (I started with an Onkyo TX-SR607 in January). The information I've found here has been exceptionally helpful and I'm grateful for such a wonderful source of information.

After a lengthy effort to find a means by which to audition Paradigm and Energy speakers I finally met with success on Sunday afternoon. My audition required an eighty-mile round trip to a retailer just outside of town and culminated in the purchase of a pair of Energy CB-20s for my 16' x 14' apartment living room. I am still in the process of making all the little adjustments for the speakers but am already astonished by the difference in quality, compared to the equipment I previously used (Bose model 141s bought in 1996).

Since Sunday I have enjoyed The Empire Strikes Back and quite a variety of music. Last night I was most delighted by how Holst's "The Planets" sounded on these speakers while I enjoyed a book

My budget schedule necessitates that I wait several more weeks to purchase a center channel (the CC-10 interests me most) but the temptation is nearly overpowering!

Thank you one and all for the tips and suggestions you've made, here, which have helped me make an informed (though difficult!) decision. I'm looking forward to a long journey with Energy and think I shall love every moment of it.
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Hello:

I set up my L/R front RC-10s using the Take Classic Center and two satellites for surround speakers. (I am still working on the center channel replacement.) I am also using an ESW-V8 subwoofer.

I auto-calibrated the system through my Denon 2310 and came up with the following settings: Fronts were set to large (full-range), center at 110Hz, rears crossed over at 100Hz, and the subwoofer (set on bypass) was set to LFE to LFP 80Hz. Does this seem strange? I thought the Takes should be around 120Hz and the subwoofer at 120Hz too?

So I switched the fronts to small, crossed them over at 80Hz, cranked the Takes to 120 Hz, and upped the SW setting to 120Hz?

Someone give me some advice. I need it.

Thanks.

as skooby said, you did everything right.

none of that "seems strange" as the MultEQ setup is measuring what is actually happening IN YOUR ROOM. It would be stranger if everyone got the exact same results. The physical position of the speakers (especially their proximity to walls/corners) can have a dramatic effect on "bass reinforcement" and thus some people will have Takes measuring at 100Hz, others at 150Hz. Some people's RC-10's measure at 80Hz, mine measure at 60Hz, yours measure at 40Hz (thus the "large" setting) so I assume they are pretty close to a wall?

anyway, again, your decisions were all correct and you don't need our help! how does it sound?

also, Audyssey doesn't set the LPF for LFE, thus your decision to manually correct this to 120Hz is also a good one as per the Audyssey guide.

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none of that "seems strange" as the MultEQ setup is measuring what is actually happening IN YOUR ROOM. It would be stranger if everyone got the exact same results. The physical position of the speakers (especially their proximity to walls/corners) can have a dramatic effect on "bass reinforcement" and thus some people will have Takes measuring at 100Hz, others at 150Hz. Some people's RC-10's measure at 80Hz, mine measure at 60Hz, yours measure at 40Hz (thus the "large" setting) so I assume they are pretty close to a wall?

Audyssey MultEQ (Denon AVR-789 with updated firmware) set my RC-Minis to 200 Hz in my bedroom system. They're about a foot from the wall at the front of a dresser, with the bed just a little below the speaker and a couple of feet in front of it. It also set the subwoofer too hot; that is, the bass was really boomy until I backed off on the SW volume. (Audyssey had set the level close to 0 dB, so the volume at measurement time was OK.) It sounds decent enough, but I'm still surprised by the crossover point. In another room, Audyssey detected my Polk RTi A1's as large! However, they're just a couple of inches from the wall. I raised the crossover point to 80Hz for the Polks.
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I would manually lower the crossover to 150Hz for the Mini's. 200 is way too high. The thing is, the Denon's only choice above 150 is all the way at 200, so if (hypothetically) the Mini's were measured to roll off at 152Hz, the Denon (not Audyssey!) would set the crossover all the way up at 200Hz (it just chooses the next higher option). Definitely try lowering it to 150 and see if that sounds better, it could also explain why the sub sounded boomy.

Also on the sub... since you mention it is a bedroom system, did you by chance set the microphone/tripod on the bed for the measurements? That could definitely explain a bad sub calibration, as the soft bed material will absorb the low freq's...

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I would manually lower the crossover to 150Hz for the Mini's. 200 is way too high. The thing is, the Denon's only choice above 150 is all the way at 200, so if (hypothetically) the Mini's were measured to roll off at 152Hz, the Denon (not Audyssey!) would set the crossover all the way up at 200Hz (it just chooses the next higher option). Definitely try lowering it to 150 and see if that sounds better, it could also explain why the sub sounded boomy.

I thought you weren't supposed to lower the crossover set by Audyssey, while raising it is OK?

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Also on the sub... since you mention it is a bedroom system, did you by chance set the microphone/tripod on the bed for the measurements? That could definitely explain a bad sub calibration, as the soft bed material will absorb the low freq's...

I put the tripod on the bed with the mic at head level for someone sitting up in the bed, which is the only "serious" listening position. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the queen-sized bed (14x11 L-shaped room, with the bed and stereo in the 10x11 part) is playing havoc with the calibration, but where else to put the tripod? On the floor, just off the side of the bed?
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Hi all,

I've got a request that may seem trivial, but maybe someone could oblige. When I received my Energy Take FPS', one of the speakers was missing the magnetic Energy logo. I called Energy to see about ordering a replacement (I'd even pay for it even though it wasn't in the box) and I was told they were "out" and I should call back. Basically, the guy just blew me off. Would anyone that would be willing to part with a logo be willing to sell one? Thanks.
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Hi all,

I've got a request that may seem trivial, but maybe someone could oblige. When I received my Energy Take FPS', one of the speakers was missing the magnetic Energy logo. I called Energy to see about ordering a replacement (I'd even pay for it even though it wasn't in the box) and I was told they were "out" and I should call back. Basically, the guy just blew me off. Would anyone that would be willing to part with a logo be willing to sell one? Thanks.


That's horrible customer service. Basically the same thing I went through. I had to really let them know my displeasure before they would even pay attention to me. Good luck!

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considering that, for movies, the center speaker is the most important, the RC-50 center would work fine in a pinch for the time being.

Just picked up rc-50 cherry which is in clearance from Vann's for $299
I am going to use it as a center channel along with my rc-10s in front..

By the way, I picked rc-10 cherry pair from vann's (clearance) for $270 last week.
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Just picked up rc-50 cherry which is in clearance from Vann's for $299
I am going to use it as a center channel along with my rc-10s in front..

By the way, I picked rc-10 cherry pair from vann's (clearance) for $270 last week.

Killer prices. Happy listening!

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Vann's RC-10's are back up to $599... shows what you get for waiting. LoL!
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