Dali speakers - Page 118 - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #3511 of 3531 Old 06-22-2014, 12:41 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Garman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The Moon
Posts: 4,642
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 74 Post(s)
Liked: 42
Well the more I listen to the Zensor 7's (Family Room) and the Ikon 1's MKII (Office) the more I like Dali line of speakers. So far very impressive on all kinds of music.
Garman is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #3512 of 3531 Old 07-04-2014, 12:38 AM
Member
 
doorofnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Well well

http://dali-rubicon.com
doorofnight is offline  
post #3513 of 3531 Old 07-08-2014, 06:03 AM
Advanced Member
 
Dr_Mark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Minneapolis MN
Posts: 777
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked: 40
Epicons, it's how we roll!

http://translate.google.com/translat...en.id.3920.htm

Life is enjoyable with good quality
Dr_Mark is offline  
post #3514 of 3531 Old 07-10-2014, 12:35 AM
Member
 
doorofnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 13
http://www.lydogbilde.no/test/helicon-800-mkii


A review that compares these 3 models:

Ikon 8
Mentor 8
Helicon 800mk2
doorofnight is offline  
post #3515 of 3531 Old 07-13-2014, 09:45 AM
Senior Member
 
bwv1080's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Davis, CA
Posts: 288
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Mark View Post
Indeed. Google Translate created some awkward phrasing, but it's a great review. I still love my Epicon 2s and Vokal center.

DALI Epicon 2 front speakers; DALI Epicon Vokal center speaker; Definitive Technology ProMonitor 1000 surrounds; SVS SB 13 Ultra subwoofer; Marantz AV 8801 pre/pro; Parasound Halo A51 power amp; Oppo BDP 105 SACD/Blu-ray player; Sennheiser HD 800 headphones; Woo Audio WA6 headphone amp.
bwv1080 is offline  
post #3516 of 3531 Old 07-17-2014, 08:35 AM
Member
 
doorofnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 13
For this I used Google-translate from Dutch to English. I think the essence is clear.

Interview with: Lars Worre


Timing Is Of The Essence
"Yes, speed is an important part of good representation," he says. "That is not a secret, because if you think about it, it is quite logical. If the cone of a loudspeaker unit is quite fat, he has a lot of momentum. He goes up and down, but its weight inclined "to shoot." As a result, he is keeping the amplifier. Difficult in check Light through the cones and make stiff you get a better pulse behavior and that is the naturalness of the listening. But speed is not everything, there are other factors that determine whether a speaker 'good' or 'great' is. The key ingredient here is the way, not a flat frequency. That many people think so, and you have, in a sense also strive for, but a flat curve in measuring the frequency says virtually nothing about the performance of a loudspeaker. You can totally ten different speakers side by side, all with straight frequency response, and yet they sound all different. Why is that? We have researched. And showed that the greatest profit can be made with perfect timing. If the units used in a speaker correct simultaneous movement make it sound a certain consistency that allows you to create. Almost three-dimensional sound image This applies to small two-way systems as well as large and complex as the vierwegsystemen Epicon 8 you hear playing here.



"He continues:" The timing is determined in the crossover and that is something to which we pay a lot of attention from DALI "When I asked whether it involves the use of computers and specialized software, he smiles and says." Not more. We tried and we discovered at one point that the theory can be grasped. Behind the development of a speaker filter, but to a certain extent in the design models We were spending so much time to fine-tune the computer-generated filter design that we decided to do it again. The old-fashioned way We have enough experience in-house expertise to design a filter from scratch themselves while actually we mainly use our ears as a measuring instrument. It helps, of course, tremendously if you like us all design your own speaker units. Then you know exactly where you need to take into account "Now we are talking about their own speaker units I grab my chance to find out whether cherishes DALI plans -. Bring to market a proprietary headset -. Echoing many other speaker brands "That's an interesting question. We have no plans, but I admit that I'm secretly wondering if we Linear Drive Magnet System will also work. The tiny power used in headphones I suspect it viz. Headphones appear, in particular in the lower frequencies, to have deformation of which can be attributed to the drive. Load Our system is against, so who knows ... No concrete plans so but never say never. "



Read more: http://www.hifi.nl/artikel/22212/Lar...#ixzz37jwQrTB1

BTW: My granite custom made feet are ready!

The speakers are in direct contact with the granite, so they can use the extra mass for bass improvement (yes!). In between the carpet and the granite are 4 rubber caps to isolate 100% from the floor.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg P1020117.JPG (170.7 KB, 14 views)
doorofnight is offline  
post #3517 of 3531 Old 07-17-2014, 10:02 AM
Member
 
doorofnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Hmm, i see some strange translation errors. If there are questions about the translation, just ask me.

Last edited by doorofnight; 07-18-2014 at 01:06 AM.
doorofnight is offline  
post #3518 of 3531 Old 07-17-2014, 11:07 AM
Advanced Member
 
Dr_Mark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Minneapolis MN
Posts: 777
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked: 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garman View Post
Anyone hear or see the Rubicon yet? I can get a very good deal on a pair of Dali Ikon 6 which sound amazing even at there retail price.

Say Garman, care to take a guess.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg P1030821.jpg (137.4 KB, 18 views)

Life is enjoyable with good quality
Dr_Mark is offline  
post #3519 of 3531 Old 07-17-2014, 11:11 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Garman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The Moon
Posts: 4,642
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 74 Post(s)
Liked: 42
Mark:

Rubicon! The question is which one?
Garman is offline  
post #3520 of 3531 Old 07-17-2014, 11:26 AM
Advanced Member
 
Dr_Mark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Minneapolis MN
Posts: 777
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked: 40
8 in high-gloss piano Black. You happen to live near Minneapolis?

Life is enjoyable with good quality
Dr_Mark is offline  
post #3521 of 3531 Old 07-17-2014, 01:25 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Garman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The Moon
Posts: 4,642
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 74 Post(s)
Liked: 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Mark View Post
8 in high-gloss piano Black. You happen to live near Minneapolis?
I am about 3 hours away.... I use to live in WB Lake home of another pair of speakers I have, The Maggies!

The Rubicon 8? Nice speaker line but still priced a tad too high for the masses, when I saw the original prices which were wrong I was very excited. Big Dynaudio fan and have been for years, but lately the Dali lines been good because they are more reasonably priced with the exception of a few lines. <<<<< Opinion of course.
Garman is offline  
post #3522 of 3531 Old 07-17-2014, 02:55 PM
Advanced Member
 
Dr_Mark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Minneapolis MN
Posts: 777
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked: 40
Have them in, breaking them in right now. Will not move them till they are ready. Size wise they seem pretty close to my Epicon 6's. Sound out of the box is what I expected. So 3 days from now we will know.
Any questions while I have them?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSC_0069.jpg (123.6 KB, 23 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_0070.jpg (123.4 KB, 18 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_0071.jpg (92.4 KB, 27 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_0074.jpg (166.3 KB, 31 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_0075.jpg (138.3 KB, 24 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_0077.jpg (148.2 KB, 29 views)

Life is enjoyable with good quality
Dr_Mark is offline  
post #3523 of 3531 Old 07-17-2014, 03:22 PM
Senior Member
 
mrkeeling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: 49°15'56"N/123°8'4"W
Posts: 352
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Mark View Post
Have them in, breaking them in right now. Will not move them till they are ready. Size wise they seem pretty close to my Epicon 6's. Sound out of the box is what I expected. So 3 days from now we will know.
Any questions while I have them?
Really curious to hear how they (Rubicon 8) compare to Epicon 6.
6/6 comparison would be even more interesting to me, but I’ll take what’s there.

mrkeeling is offline  
post #3524 of 3531 Old 07-17-2014, 05:29 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Garman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The Moon
Posts: 4,642
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 74 Post(s)
Liked: 42
Mark: They sure look sweet! Let us know as I really liked the sound of the Ikon for the money as I own a pair of the Ikon 1 MKII and the Zensor 7s for my living room where my kids do most of their TV viewing.
Garman is offline  
post #3525 of 3531 Old 07-18-2014, 01:17 AM
Member
 
doorofnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrkeeling View Post
Really curious to hear how they (Rubicon 8) compare to Epicon 6.
6/6 comparison would be even more interesting to me, but I’ll take what’s there.
The R8 & E8 are made for larger rooms. And the R6 & E6 for smaller rooms. So any comparison between a E6 and a R8 in a small room will lead to non-information. Also the principles are very different. The E8 and R8 do not need a subwoofer. The E6 and R6 do for the full experience of music listening. Also the E6 has no dedicated mid (one cannot say that this is not important, why whould the E8 have a dedicated mid woofer if there is no use to this at all?)

The only way to say something usefull is to have the R8 and E8 in a big room, and the E6 and and the R6 in a somehow smaller room.

So, ofcourse, it is fun to listen to the E6 and E8 and hear differences. Also check scandinavian and german threads about Dali. Lots of information.
doorofnight is offline  
post #3526 of 3531 Old 07-18-2014, 06:50 AM
Advanced Member
 
Dr_Mark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Minneapolis MN
Posts: 777
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked: 40
A Dali rep is coming to town on the 31st. He is interested in hearing the Epicon 6 VS. the Rub 8's. Nice part are the Rubicon LRC "not sure how many" he is bringing with. Looks like we might be moving a lot of speakers around to see how the work together.


Just heard he is bringing 2 of the Rubicon LCR's to compare.

Life is enjoyable with good quality

Last edited by Dr_Mark; 07-19-2014 at 03:12 PM.
Dr_Mark is offline  
post #3527 of 3531 Old 07-19-2014, 03:08 PM
Advanced Member
 
Dr_Mark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Minneapolis MN
Posts: 777
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked: 40
Ok, where to start, equipment.
HTPC using FLAC, hi-res, and SACD 2-channel files.
PS Audio Perfectwave2 DAC, “waiting for the bridge to arrive,” using a Wireworld Silver helix USB cable at the recommended 1.5 meterlength.
Parasound A21 amp connected with SUPRA sword-IXLR cables “30th anniversary” No clue if that is worth anything, but you do get a wooden box. Woo-ho…..lol. Supra power cord on the amp.
Speaker cables are Anticables level 3, 9 gage wire.
We are day 2 of break-in.
Music for the first 48 hours was Enigma – The Rivers of belief (24-96) track 1 The Rivers of belief. This track has deep bass with a lot of high end mixed in.
It took maybe 24 hours for the bass drivers to loosen up. Right off the bat they come across very boomy and the upper end is very sharp. Overly bright.
After around day 1 the bottom end settled down and tightened up. Highs still harsh and shrill.

2nd day hit them with Grover Washington2-channel SACD Prime Cuts - The Columbia Years_ 1987-1999 track 1 Take 5.
This seemed to really work magic on the high end issue. I figure 1-2 more days to finish the breakin, but the differences seem to be at this point.
Helicon MK2, good bass, high end can be very bright. With my system I did notice the top end of some female vocals etc. as they reach the top of a note. The sound can become a little shrill/harsh and lose detail.
Rubicons, Better bass, not as tight as the Epicons. High end is not shrill, does seem a little bit thin, less detail than the Epicons.
Epicons, tight bass, low distortion. High end is very detailed, not overly bright.


Here are pictures of the ribben and tweaters. Pic 1 is Epicon, 2 Rubicon, 3 Helicon MK2.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSC_0078.jpg (156.8 KB, 26 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_0079.jpg (158.7 KB, 19 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_0080.jpg (176.2 KB, 20 views)

Life is enjoyable with good quality
Dr_Mark is offline  
post #3528 of 3531 Old Yesterday, 12:19 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 1
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 0
Advice Needed

Forgive me if this is the wrong place to post this but I need some guidance/advice (this is my first post on avsforum). I got interested in hifi about two years ago but deferred until I finished my graduate studies last month to really start my hifi research. I have learned a lot in the past month or so but have barely scratched the surface.

I initially envisioned a large 2.0 system with many components including a turntable and cd player with big speakers. I started my auditions with the Paradigm Studio 20s, B&W 685s and Totem Rainmakers. The Studio 20s won the initial audition but I quickly realized that I was not working in a vacuum. I have severe spatial constraints living in a rather small apartment. There is no room for floor standers or speaker stands which means that I am limited to a desktop setup for the near future. Upon this realization I shifted focus to electronics.

I wanted to find a single box that contained the integrated amp and dac and initially settled on the TEAC AI-501DA. However, I realized that I might want more power and that the onboard dac was not the greatest so I decided to buy the TEAC AX-501. My sources will be my Mac Pro (optical out into a FiiO Dac at first) and an Airport Express. I know that you are "supposed to buy speakers first" but I couldn't resist the form factor. I still have not received the unit as I had to order from a non-local retailer (a B&M store in Wisconsin). My focus then shifted back to speakers.

I decided to expand my search beyond the initial store and kept reading about the Zensors and how great they are for the price. I quickly learned about the US markup but would have no problem paying if they lived up to their reputation. I was also attracted to the idea of buying Danish speakers as I've almost always driven Saab and Volvo and like the Scandinavian aesthetic and design principles. I went to a retailer that carried part of the DALI lineup, as well as Dynaudio and other really high-end stuff. I initially demoed the Dali Ikon 1 MK2 against the Dynaudio Excite x12 that they had discounted for $100 retail from when they were discontinued. Both models were retailing for $1100. I liked both and noticed a much more significant soundstage than I experienced with the Paradigms. Perhaps it was the fact that I was sitting much closer, but I think it was quite obvious (I doubt most things I sense because I am so new to this). We were approaching closing time but I did get to briefly hear the Zensor 1 and liked it for sure but cannot really comment too much.

I went back the next day (yesterday) despite being an hour away for some more demo time but focused on the Ikon and Dynaudio. I think I convinced myself that the DALI produced more detail and that I did not miss the loss in bass (I didn't really notice too much but perhaps it was there). He then played the famous KEF LS50s for me but honestly I think the added power and bass muffled some of the detail I realized I loved so much after the DALI audition. I know that everyone loves the LS50 (including the salespeople at the store) but I don't think it is the speaker for me. Perhaps I am a bit biased because I am not a fan of the aesthetics but I think the lack of detail was there. And of course there is the issue of needing a strong enough amp which I may not have at 65wpc. Just to satisfy my curiosity I asked to hear the Mentor 1 which was way above my initial budget. The fit and finish is quite attractive. During my Ikon audition I noticed perhaps a bit of what I assume people mean by fatigue. It was not pain but it also wasn't purely comfortable. This was not the case with the Mentor. Perhaps this has to do with break-in or perhaps it is a matter of the more robust construction and curved walls or different drivers? Basically there are so many variables but I actually started to rationalize spending $$$ on the Mentors, even though I originally wanted to spend much less for this temporary setup until I could really build my dream setup.

Now today I find out the Mentor line is being phased out. Might I expect a price reduction on the Mentor 1? Should I spring for the Mentor 2 if there is a price reduction (the store doesn't stock the 2)? I am planning on buying a cheap used set of speakers to break in the amp so that I can bring it back to the store for the next audition but perhaps I should just get the Zensors and call it a day until I move and can build the big system. I really like the DALI sound (at least I think I do) but might be hesitant to spend so much on something that will no longer be available (maybe I'd want to add Mentor 5s later). The Rubicons are too big and too expensive. Perhaps I should just get the Dynaudios (real wood veneer) and be happy but I think I really would like to buy a DALI. Can someone who owns and has broken in the Ikon 1 MK 2 elaborate on their experience and if they ever felt fatigued by the speakers? Did that go away after sufficient break-in time?

Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance to any who read and/or respond. I would really appreciate any information/advice you could offer. I have read some of this thread but not the majority. I will try and get through it over the next few days.

Edit: I forgot to ask. When comparing ~$1100 smallish bookshelf speakers, the Paradigm Studio 10 is way ahead of the Ikon 1 MK2 in terms of fit and finish (I like the way the Ikon looks but it is vinyl wrapper and the cabinet is not curved). Does Paradigm allocate more funds to the finish as a form of marketing and sacrifice sound? Is one company lining their pockets more than the other? I realize this isn't exactly a fair comparison because the Ikon is only $1100 in the US. But if anyone has thoughts on which companies put the most into sound versus marketing vs ...., I would be interested to hear.

Last edited by jleffell; Yesterday at 10:33 AM.
jleffell is offline  
post #3529 of 3531 Old Yesterday, 03:39 PM
Advanced Member
 
Dr_Mark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Minneapolis MN
Posts: 777
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked: 40
A couple of more to enjoy. Helicon, Epicon and Rubicons
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSC_0081.jpg (200.8 KB, 8 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_0083.jpg (149.3 KB, 8 views)

Life is enjoyable with good quality
Dr_Mark is offline  
post #3530 of 3531 Old Yesterday, 04:10 PM
Senior Member
 
mrkeeling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: 49°15'56"N/123°8'4"W
Posts: 352
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Mark View Post
A couple of more to enjoy. Helicon, Epicon and Rubicons
We should have a drooling emo!
Those two Parasound amps, are they monoblocks (one each for fronts) or some other combination?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg drool.jpg (12.9 KB, 2 views)

mrkeeling is offline  
post #3531 of 3531 Old Yesterday, 06:05 PM
Advanced Member
 
Dr_Mark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Minneapolis MN
Posts: 777
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked: 40
Top amp is an A21, bottom an A51. Thinking of adding another A51 for Atmos. Debating if it's worth the money.


If I had never heard the Epicon's, I would totally be in love with the Rubicon's.

Life is enjoyable with good quality

Last edited by Dr_Mark; Yesterday at 06:15 PM.
Dr_Mark is offline  
Reply Speakers

Tags
Dali Bookshelf Speaker , Dali Ikon Vokal 2 Mkii Center Channel Speaker , Dali

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off