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post #3871 of 3883 Old 09-14-2016, 10:41 AM
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I've upgraded (too much) gear for some years now, pretty high end stuff too, only to end up only concentrating on speaker placement and even more room treatments.

A budget would help if you want some gear recommendations though.
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Can anyone tell me if the Epicon 6's are a significant step up from the Epicon 2's? I'm thinking of going 6's at the front end and keeping my 2's as rears.


I'm not sure if the 6's will be overkill in my size of room, my room measures 6 metres by 5 metres.


Advice appreciated.
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Guys,

What is the most natural (i.e. with flat frequency response) sounding Dali series. I'm looking for a stereo pair for my medium sized room (32 m2). Here in my country, the Dalis are very competitively priced. But from what I've read, I'm afraid that they're having V-shaped response and some of them are on the bright side. Also it's bit confusing, because there's not much of a price difference between the series ( Zensor, Ikon, Opticon and Rubicon).

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Can anyone tell me if the Epicon 6's are a significant step up from the Epicon 2's? I'm thinking of going 6's at the front end and keeping my 2's as rears.


I'm not sure if the 6's will be overkill in my size of room, my room measures 6 metres by 5 metres.


Advice appreciated.
I think the Epicon 6 vs 2 is hard to compare - one is a medium sized tower speaker and the other is a stand mount.
The Epicon 6 obviously plays way lower and also has the ribbon tweeter on top.

The Epicon 6's should fit perfect into your room.
My room is a bit larger than yours, I had a subwoofer with my Epicon 6's when I had them.

Lovely speakers.

If you are only going to use them for HT only your wallet can decide if they are overkill, they might be if they only watch movies and above 80 HZ IMO.

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I think the Epicon 6 vs 2 is hard to compare - one is a medium sized tower speaker and the other is a stand mount.
The Epicon 6 obviously plays way lower and also has the ribbon tweeter on top.

The Epicon 6's should fit perfect into your room.
My room is a bit larger than yours, I had a subwoofer with my Epicon 6's when I had them.

Lovely speakers.

If you are only going to use them for HT only your wallet can decide if they are overkill, they might be if they only watch movies and above 80 HZ IMO.

The speakers are used for HT & HIFI, I use 80 / 90 HZ with my sub for movies, there is no sub engaged for music.

Do you think there will be a big improvement with the ribbon tweeters over the dome in the 2's?


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I do think there is a difference, especially if you are not using your sub for music.

BTW nice sub, I own that too
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I do think there is a difference, especially if you are not using your sub for music.

BTW nice sub, I own that too
Guys, my dilemma here is about using sub for music or not. Nonetheless my resolution is that the system does not know what is being played, film or music, right? So in my case I always use my (Dali) sub for all program materials. How would you regard to music played in a film? Or how would you refer to a concert DVD/BD? Is it music or film? Just thinkin' out loud!
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Its a matter of taste, its not easy to implement a sub seamlessly into a stereo / music setup either.

I'd use a sub always with bookshelves and with most tower speakers as well.
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I'd use a sub always with bookshelves and with most tower speakers as well.


Is that for music also?

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Yes, I think it adds that last dimension for music even though my mains go to 35 hz.

I want it to be subtle, with speakers properly cut of via crossover.
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Yes, I think it adds that last dimension for music even though my mains go to 35 hz.
What do you cross your mains over at ?

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I want it to be subtle, with speakers properly cut of via crossover.

I find the same as yourself regarding using my sub with the 2's it adds that bit extra weight to the sound which I really like, I'm not sure if it is the correct way to go though as many hifi purists advise not use a sub when listening to pure hifi! that's why I don't engage my sub for 2 stereo music playback.

I have been advised though the best way to go is for me to upgrade to the 6's, for that little bit of extra everything!

Whats your thoughts?


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I cross over at around 60 hz.

I'd definitely use a sub with the Epicon 2's no matter what for music, and not cross lower than 80 hz.
But thats just my opinion and its a matter of preference and room size etc. etc.

When I had my Epicon 6's, I got the most of them when I used a sub with them.
I still think they are very good speakers and in the sweet spot of the Epicon range, if there is such a thing.
Beautiful as well, and easy to move around with the wood base cause they are not overly heavy.

I would not put alot of thought into that "purist" thing - use whatever solution sounds best.
I see alot of very high end and expensive systems with a sub or often multiple subs.

If you eventually decide that the subwoofer thing is not for you and just want 2.0 for music, i'd take the 6's over the 2's any day.
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I cross over at around 60 hz.

I'd definitely use a sub with the Epicon 2's no matter what for music, and not cross lower than 80 hz.
But thats just my opinion and its a matter of preference and room size etc. etc.

When I had my Epicon 6's, I got the most of them when I used a sub with them.
I still think they are very good speakers and in the sweet spot of the Epicon range, if there is such a thing.
Beautiful as well, and easy to move around with the wood base cause they are not overly heavy.

I would not put alot of thought into that "purist" thing - use whatever solution sounds best.
I see alot of very high end and expensive systems with a sub or often multiple subs.

If you eventually decide that the subwoofer thing is not for you and just want 2.0 for music, i'd take the 6's over the 2's any day.


Many thanks, your post has been very helpful.

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