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post #5611 of 6141 Old 07-08-2014, 10:37 PM
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Thanks for the suggestion and offer.
Instead of buying 4 surround sound speakers, does it make sense to buy another pair of PSB T5 towers for now to make it 5.1, and add a pair of reference level towers for future 7.1 upgrades, then move the 4 T5s for surround sound?
It depends on your usage I reckon. If your dominant usage is movies, I personally think T5's as surrounds/rears is overcooking it, given the amount and type of content that is generally present in these channels. For movies, there would be better value for you in the Image B4's (say) as surrounds/rears and putting the difference towards a second closely matched sub. The B4's are a surprisingly capable little speaker.

On the other hand, if your passion is multichannel music where an excellent timbre match is more important and the surround channels are quite active, the T5's could make some sense because they're identical to your mains. The trouble is though, that you loose the advantage of a perfect timbre match if you then go for different/reference front towers in the future. You would at least need to go for Imagine X2T's, or ideally Image T6's (if you can find a pair) to maintain the excellent timbre match required for M/C music.

Hope that helps in your decision.
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I have been searching to replace my Onkyo HT setup for a while now. Heard the B&W towers, bookshelves and the M1 home theatre package. Bought some Martinlogan bookshelves but ended up returning them. The highs were just too much for my taste. Heard the sonus faber stuff..and liked the sound but not the price.

Then I got a chance to hear the PSB Imagine X1T and really liked them. Turns out the image line is being discontinued, so I ended up ordering those instead.

Got a pair of T5, a pair of B4, and the C4 center channel for $830 new! Those normally retail for $1630.

#excited . Should be here thursday. Ordered some Sewell speaker wires.

I should probably get a better amp for these speakers. I think the onkyo puts out 100watts at 8 ohms. Or so it says. any suggestions?

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-vv8aItn...o-HT-S760.html
Congratulations Justin! Thanks for posting your comparisons and welcome to impending PSB ownership.

A couple of comments...

Is it too late to swap out the C4 for a C5 or XC? These are a larger centre (5.25" woofers) and a slightly better match for the T5's. The C4 will do a good job though if it can't be managed.

Your Onkyo will be fine with the PSB's and I'd hold fire on replacing it for a bit. You'll get way more improvement in your system by upgrading the HTiB sub. Take a look at the offerings from respected ID brands like SVS, Rythmik Audio and Hsu Research.
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How would one rate Image S5 as surrounds? They are retailing for $399.


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I have been searching to replace my Onkyo HT setup for a while now. Heard the B&W towers, bookshelves and the M1 home theatre package. Bought some Martinlogan bookshelves but ended up returning them. The highs were just too much for my taste. Heard the sonus faber stuff..and liked the sound but not the price.

Then I got a chance to hear the PSB Imagine X1T and really liked them. Turns out the image line is being discontinued, so I ended up ordering those instead.

Got a pair of T5, a pair of B4, and the C4 center channel for $830 new! Those normally retail for $1630.

#excited . Should be here thursday. Ordered some Sewell speaker wires.

I should probably get a better amp for these speakers. I think the onkyo puts out 100watts at 8 ohms. Or so it says. any suggestions?

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-vv8aItn...o-HT-S760.html
Hi,
I would agree with the C5 suggestion.
If you are in Canada, 2001 Audio and Video is having promotion, also you might want to check out Crutchfield.ca.
Good luck!
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It depends on your usage I reckon. If your dominant usage is movies, I personally think T5's as surrounds/rears is overcooking it, given the amount and type of content that is generally present in these channels. For movies, there would be better value for you in the Image B4's (say) as surrounds/rears and putting the difference towards a second closely matched sub. The B4's are a surprisingly capable little speaker.

On the other hand, if your passion is multichannel music where an excellent timbre match is more important and the surround channels are quite active, the T5's could make some sense because they're identical to your mains. The trouble is though, that you loose the advantage of a perfect timbre match if you then go for different/reference front towers in the future. You would at least need to go for Imagine X2T's, or ideally Image T6's (if you can find a pair) to maintain the excellent timbre match required for M/C music.

Hope that helps in your decision.
Hi GIEGAR,

That helps a lot!
I felt lucky that I am going down the right path... , however, I just ordered two pair of B6 from Crutchfield.ca, as they are on promotion and within my budget. I hope they will do match well to my existing speakers.
I have a Yamaha RXA280, would that be capable enough for my below 7.1 system speakers below?
PSB T5 x2
PSB C5 x1
PSB B6 x4
PSB Sub 5i

Btw, are you suggesting me to upgrade my Sub or add another Sub for the improvement? if so, what Sub would you recommend, and will work better with the speakers I already have?

Many thanks!

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Congratulations Justin! Thanks for posting your comparisons and welcome to impending PSB ownership.

A couple of comments...

Is it too late to swap out the C4 for a C5 or XC? These are a larger centre (5.25" woofers) and a slightly better match for the T5's. The C4 will do a good job though if it can't be managed.

Your Onkyo will be fine with the PSB's and I'd hold fire on replacing it for a bit. You'll get way more improvement in your system by upgrading the HTiB sub. Take a look at the offerings from respected ID brands like SVS, Rythmik Audio and Hsu Research.
Thank you for the response.

I went with the C4 mainly because of the cabinet size. Since it's only 5.25" high, I can avoid mounting my tv for now. I built a small 3" riser for the tv. C5 is over 7.25".

Being on sale for $150 also helped with the decision. Imagine XC is $400 currently.

The odd thing is my current speakers all have the same driver size.
fronts are dual 5.25"...same as T5
center is dual 4"...same as C4
rear is single 4" ...same as B4.

I am probably going to keep the sub low, or take it out since it's an apartment.
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Hi GIEGAR,

That helps a lot!
I felt lucky that I am going down the right path... , however, I just ordered two pair of B6 from Crutchfield.ca, as they are on promotion and within my budget. I hope they will do match well to my existing speakers.
I have a Yamaha RXA280, would that be capable enough for my below 7.1 system speakers below?
PSB T5 x2
PSB C5 x1
PSB B6 x4
PSB Sub 5i

Btw, are you suggesting me to upgrade my Sub or add another Sub for the improvement? if so, what Sub would you recommend, and will work better with the speakers I already have?

Many thanks!

Bing
I replaced my old Subsonic 5 with a Rythmik LV-12R (an internet brand) and the difference is incredible. There are much better subs for the same price as PSB from Rythmik, SVS, HSU, and Outlaw. I would serioulsy recommend you going that route. Check out my library .
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My onkyo specs say
170 watts × 2 at 4 Ω
115 watts × 2 at 8 Ω

How many watts do you think it's pushing out at 6 ohms on all 5 channels?

The Image t5 is rated for 175w program and the center and surrounds are rated for 80w, all at 6 ohms.
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B4 or B6 as presence?

Have a RX2030, yamaha that is

Upgrading from 5.2 to 9.2 just now. Bought one set PSB image b6 and one set image b4.

Which set should I use as presence?
They will be on the wall above my PSB imagine t6.
(And my lovely PSB imagine center in between, just under the pj screen)

And - which should I use as rear surrounds?
They will be on the back wall, behind me, above my PSB imagine MINI which resides on a four feet stand.

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Hi people! I just bought a pair of tower Image T6 and center C5. Should I set my AVR to 6 ohm or 8 ohm?
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Hi people! I just bought a pair of tower Image T6 and center C5. Should I set my AVR to 6 ohm or 8 ohm?
Welcome to PSB ownership kianwee! Great choice of speakers.

Always use the 8Ω setting on the AVR. See this post for an explanation.

Please come back and let us know what you think when you're up and running.
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T5 vs T6

Hi everyone,

I'm looking for a pair of floor standing speakers for music playback. My budget is probably in the $700-1000 range. I'm on the verge of accepting a new job offer, and I want to get myself a gift of sorts. I've done a lot of research, and I've honed in PSB speakers.

I've heard great things about the T5 and T6, and when I started calling around, I found out that they're being discontinued. So with some discounts, they actually fall nicely within my range. And I'm trying to figure out if I'd be happy with the T5, or if I really should spend a couple hundred extra to go up to the T6.

I won't be using them with a sub, and right now they'd be in a smaller apartment living room, although I'm moving in a few months to a slightly bigger place. Are the T6s much louder? I'm afraid they might be overkill.

Not too long ago, the idea of spending close to $1000 on speakers would have been crazy to me. So I'm not eager to spend the extra money if I don't have to. But I plan on keeping these speakers for a while, so 5 (10?) years down the line, I don't want to regret being cheap.

I know that when it comes to audio gear, lots of people advise spending as close to the top of your budget as possible. But if anyone could give me some honest opinions I'd really appreciate it!
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I had bought the PSB M2 speakers 2 weeks ago and LOVE every bit of it, I'm just wondering should I get the center, am I missing much with out the center for movies?


My set up, Kenwood sovereign + PSB M2 + Velodyne SPL 1000R + PC.
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I'm in search of a center speaker and not sure if I should purchase the PSB Mini C ($507) that would match the two mini's I currently have for the front (rear speakers are in wall PSB CW26) or Imagine XC ($399). I have not auditioned these center speakers and was hoping for some suggestions.
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Food for thought:
With Dolby Atmos coming out on mainstream AVRs (Pioneer, Onkyo, and Denon/Marantz) along with the high-end Trinnov Altitude this fall and winter, has anybody thought about how we could get PSB speakers to best integrate with Atmos?


One place for Atmos info in an HT environment is here:
The official Dolby Atmos thread (home theater version)

To have a proper Atmos configuration (5.1.2, 5.1.4, 7.1.2, 7.1.4 etc., where the last digit is the number of heights), you'd need a minimum of two middle of the room "in-ceiling" speakers, and either four front and rear in-ceiling height speakers, or four L/R front and rear "Atmos-capable" speaker modules firing upward towards the ceiling to generate the proper reflections for the Atmos mix. Height capabilities are critical to get the "immersive" feel that Atmos is aiming for.

Pioneer and/or Onkyo are going to be marketing "Atmos capable" top-firing speakers, for example here:
http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...s-and-speakers
http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/mod...urce=prodClass
(Pioneer and Onkyo both have speakers with conventional drivers as well as top firing drivers facing the ceiling; the Onkyo link I posted is an "add-on" module that supposedly would go on top of bookshelf mains or surrounds)

We haven't heard anything from PSB AFAIK. And while some have suggested that "strap-on" speakers can be put on top of existing L/R fronts and surrounds, that would look very...ugly...on an Imagine or Image tower. And not all of us have the ability to add built-in speakers to our ceilings. Any thoughts about what may be in the pipeline?

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There is no reason why you couldn't just point a pair or two of bookshelf speaker at the ceiling for Atmos. I think the dolby spec calls for a pretty directional driver so that you hear the reflected sound instead of the direct sound, but you could probably make it work. It wouldn't look as good as purpose made ceiling firing drivers like the Pioneers.

You could probably have good results by mounting some surround speakers to the ceiling as well.

I'm interested to see what format the movie studios start shipping in. It seems like most bluerays right now ship in 7.1 format. Does that mean that most Atmos sound tracks will be 7.1.2 or maybe 7.1.4? I'd probably want to wait and see the most popular blueray format before deciding on how to place my speakers.
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There is no reason why you couldn't just point a pair or two of bookshelf speaker at the ceiling for Atmos. I think the dolby spec calls for a pretty directional driver so that you hear the reflected sound instead of the direct sound, but you could probably make it work. It wouldn't look as good as purpose made ceiling firing drivers like the Pioneers.

You could probably have good results by mounting some surround speakers to the ceiling as well.
If you are interested in Atmos, why not do it right? In-ceiling speakers, as long as they are placed in the proper spots, would be fine. Pointing a pair of bookshelf speakers towards the ceiling, not such a good idea. The Atmos "strap-on" speakers have drivers with very strict dispersion patterns to enhance the effect, dispersion patterns not likely to be found on standard bookshelf speakers.
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If you are interested in Atmos, why not do it right? In-ceiling speakers, as long as they are placed in the proper spots, would be fine. Pointing a pair of bookshelf speakers towards the ceiling, not such a good idea. The Atmos "strap-on" speakers have drivers with very strict dispersion patterns to enhance the effect, dispersion patterns not likely to be found on standard bookshelf speakers.
I agree with that.
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Whats up all, quick question if you don't mind,
The only t6s I've found are at my local audio (black) and they want $1040 +tax for floor models (the usual 20% off.)
Would I be crazy to even consider these since people were picking them up for $800 and under?
I do like supporting local business however, sometimes it comes down to the principal of spending $2-400 more dollars than the next person.
Would I be better off going to the x2t, t5?
Thanks for your replies, really appreciated.

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Anyone taking advantage of the sale on PSB Image products at Crutchfield? Am I correct in assuming that they are rolling the old Image components into the new Imagine "casing" and dumping the Image line on sale? As I understand it, the woofe/tweeter aren't changing...

I'm considering upgrading to the Image B5 from my original Alpha B's from 2002 (not the revised B1 a few years later). I'm perfectly happy with my Alpha B's and they are still in excellent shape but I'm debating if spending the $249.00 for the B5's will be a worthwhile upgrade or not as the sale is tempting.

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Whats up all, quick question if you don't mind,
The only t6s I've found are at my local audio (black) and they want $1040 +tax for floor models (the usual 20% off.)
Would I be crazy to even consider these since people were picking them up for $800 and under?
I do like supporting local business however, sometimes it comes down to the principal of spending $2-400 more dollars than the next person.
Would I be better off going to the x2t, t5?
Thanks for your replies, really appreciated.

I got the C5 for $199 and S5 for $399 at Crutchfield. I believe they were selling the T6 for $800 a pair but now out of stock. I got the demo version from an authorised dealer for $500 for the T6 pair


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Will a dented in dustcap affect their sound? I'm thinking of picking these (PSB 400) up.

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Maybe, or maybe not. However, it is an indication of the level of care that the speakers have received over their lifetime. It takes some rough handling to dent a dust cap (or a small child...) I would be wary of purchasing them.
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Welcome to PSB ownership kianwee! Great choice of speakers.

Always use the 8Ω setting on the AVR. See this post for an explanation.

Please come back and let us know what you think when you're up and running.
Thank you GIEGAR! I'm loving my T6 and C5 combination after spending my whole week with it. I'm placing them on marble flooring. Do you think I should follow the manual and use the rubber footing instead of spikes? My previous floorstand I'm using spikes.
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I just took the plunge and bought a pair of Imagine T speakers. They are a significant upgrade from the Wharfedale Diamond 10.5s I have and will be selling. I was driving the Wharfedales with a Yamaha A-S500. I'm thinking I need to eventually upgrade my integrated amp. NAD is a possibility, but I've read there may be some quality control issues with that brand. Cambridge is another possibility, but the ultimate determining factor will be my budget around $1000, less if possible.

BTW, I'm using these almost exclusively for music. I also have a sub that I can use with them if absolutely necessary. I play about 70% CDs and 30% vinyl.

I'd be interested in what others are using to drive their PSBs, especially the Imagine Ts.

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Emotiva xpa-5 for me
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I just took the plunge and bought a pair of Imagine T speakers. They are a significant upgrade from the Wharfedale Diamond 10.5s I have and will be selling. I was driving the Wharfedales with a Yamaha A-S500. I'm thinking I need to eventually upgrade my integrated amp. NAD is a possibility, but I've read there may be some quality control issues with that brand. Cambridge is another possibility, but the ultimate determining factor will be my budget around $1000, less if possible.

I'd be interested in what others are using to drive their PSBs, especially the Imagine Ts.
I don't own those speakers ... but if I were looking for an integrated to drive them I would look at emotiva as well.

Emotiva XDA-2 ($249) + Emotiva XPA-200 ($449)

or if you want to spend a little less replace the XPA-200 with the UPA-200 ($314) or more XPA-2 ($899).

As a side benefit you can keep the amps to later use in a Home Theater system if you wish. Or you could use your existing Yamaha as Pre for the emotiva amps.

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I just took the plunge and bought a pair of Imagine T speakers. They are a significant upgrade from the Wharfedale Diamond 10.5s I have and will be selling. I was driving the Wharfedales with a Yamaha A-S500. I'm thinking I need to eventually upgrade my integrated amp. NAD is a possibility, but I've read there may be some quality control issues with that brand. Cambridge is another possibility, but the ultimate determining factor will be my budget around $1000, less if possible.

BTW, I'm using these almost exclusively for music. I also have a sub that I can use with them if absolutely necessary. I play about 70% CDs and 30% vinyl.

I'd be interested in what others are using to drive their PSBs, especially the Imagine Ts.
nice, I like PSB a lot as a brand

What you got back home, little sister, to play your fuzzy warbles on? I bet you got little save pitiful, portable picnic players. Come with uncle and hear all proper! Hear angel trumpets and devil trombones. You are invited.
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