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post #6061 of 6072 Old 04-04-2015, 12:32 PM
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Thanks very much for the feedback chaps, appreciate the advice
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Question for the group:
I've been happy with my PSB Imagine S surrounds to date, and have used them in dual mono mode for a 7.1 configuration. However, after doing some spring cleaning at home, I'm going to reposition my sofa (MLP) closer to our Panasonic VT50 55" to get more a optimal 6'-8' viewing distance. Thus, I'm thinking of moving to physically separate side and rear surrounds, since I won't be forced to have a single pair of surrounds about 3' from our back wall, and can have better separation and placement angles as well as a good 6' to 9' behind me to work with. As my signature indicates, I've got the T2s and am upgrading my system for 3D audio, so I could either sell/trade-in the Imagine S or possibly keep them to use with Trinnov's processor once we have a (mostly) dedicated room to work with in the intermediate future.

Having said that, can someone remind me what the practical difference between the Imagine B and the Imagine XB might be if I were using them exclusively for side and rear surrounds? They have the same 1" tweeter and the same size woofer (5 1/4") AFAIK, although I understand that the woofer's construction is different.

I also thought about the Imagine X1T, but since I've got two HSU ULS-15 subs and cross my speakers at 80 Hz minimum, I don't think I really need a beefier woofer section for surrounds in my current 24x17 listening space (although a tower design would be less easy for my toddler to try to knock down LOL). The bookshelves with a stand or possibly mounted might also be easier than a tower to adjust to ear height with my T2s, which might be desirable for best results with Dolby Atmos. I also thought about the Imagine B Mini that AustinJerry's using for rear surrounds, but I'd prefer to stay in a similar power handling (up to 150 W) as I had with the S surrounds as a contingency, as my listening is maybe 40% movies.

Aside from that, one advantage of the XB would be that I could more easily mount Dolby Atmos-enabled speakers on top of them due to the flat top design, at least until I can do ceiling speakers down the road...otherwise I might go in a different direction.

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Interesting new sub from PSB: http://www.ecoustics.com/products/ps...150-subwoofer/








Features
  • Versatile mounting options from wall mount, flat on floor, to standing freely on its supplied feet
  • Allows subwoofer to be out in the open or concealed (i.e. under a couch)
  • Robust 100 watt amplifier with peak output of 200 watts
  • Custom designed 6 ½” woofer with polypropylene cone
  • Auto On/Standby
  • Stylish, curved, gloss black cabinet
  • Final voicing performed by Paul Barton at Canada’s famed NRC
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That's a very expensive sub for its capabilities. I think asking $250 new would be a fair price but certainly NOT $500. As much as I love PSB speakers, I think they need to wake up and look around to companies such as Rythmik, SVS, PSA, and now Reaction Audio which all produce subs in the vicinity of $500 which will absolutely destroy it from a price/performance ratio.

Just looked at their website
Its rated down to 26Hz according PSB's publicized specs and PSB is fairly conservative in their specs but I'm still having problems with the specs. One needs either a large cabinet or high power amplification which this sub does not have. I will remain skeptical.
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Hooking up some Image T6's. Specs say 8 nominal, 4 minimum. Yamaha receiver settings are 8 minimum and 4 minimum. Where should I set this on the Yamaha 4 or 8?
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That's a very expensive sub for its capabilities. I think asking $250 new would be a fair price but certainly NOT $500. As much as I love PSB speakers, I think they need to wake up and look around to companies such as Rythmik, SVS, PSA, and now Reaction Audio which all produce subs in the vicinity of $500 which will absolutely destroy it from a price/performance ratio.

Just looked at their website
Its rated down to 26Hz according PSB's publicized specs and PSB is fairly conservative in their specs but I'm still having problems with the specs. One needs either a large cabinet or high power amplification which this sub does not have. I will remain skeptical.

So basically these are like DefTech Supercube 2000 or 4000, except that the specs are more reliable for -3 db , and you don't have the pretty wireless-based display. Still, I wonder if they'd come in handy for someone looking to use them as a sort of mid bass module, or as helping subs to fill in a hole in the 30-80 Hz range due to their ease of flexibility of placement, rather than serving as primary subs. However I think there's much better buys in the ID subwoofer market like SVS or HSU.
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Hooking up some Image T6's. Specs say 8 nominal, 4 minimum. Yamaha receiver settings are 8 minimum and 4 minimum. Where should I set this on the Yamaha 4 or 8?
hdtvluvr, leave it set at .

In short, what a "Low Z" (6Ω or 4Ω) setting generally does is engage a circuit that significantly limits the output voltage of the AVR. This is simply for the purposes of continuous high power heat dissipation testing by the electrical product certifiers. This mode effectively limits the current available to the speakers, but increases the risk of clipping the amp.

This Audioholics article explains the whole issue in detail.

Here’s the measurement page of the most recent Audioholics AVR review: Denon AVR-X5200W | Measurements. Note the commentary/recommendations about the impedance selector switch.
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So basically these are like DefTech Supercube 2000 or 4000, except that the specs are more reliable for -3 db , and you don't have the pretty wireless-based display. Still, I wonder if they'd come in handy for someone looking to use them as a sort of mid bass module, or as helping subs to fill in a hole in the 30-80 Hz range due to their ease of flexibility of placement, rather than serving as primary subs. However I think there's much better buys in the ID subwoofer market like SVS or HSU.
I'm betting it that the response would be typical PSB flat (a very good thing ) down to say about 40Hz. After that, it would fall off rapidly. I'm thinking its apartment friendly and would be better sold as mid woofer, not a sub woofer.
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I'm betting it that the response would be typical PSB flat (a very good thing ) down to say about 40Hz. After that, it would fall off rapidly. I'm thinking its apartment friendly and would be better sold as mid woofer, not a sub woofer.

Now that HSU is dropping its MBM-1 mid-bass module, there might be a niche market for that. Of course, you'd need something like a MiniDSP 2x4 to be able to manage the combination of subwoofers and mid woofers, especially for working with crossover slopes and high/low pass filters, and making use of measurement tools like REW to know how they blend together and with mains. Not for the faint-hearted, but not knowing anything better a product like this might be a useful tool in the right hands, and/or with the space limited.

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If anybody Interested pairs Image T6 with C5 and S5 all together for $750 pm me.....
are these still available?
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hdtvluvr, leave it set at .

In short, what a "Low Z" (6Ω or 4Ω) setting generally does is engage a circuit that significantly limits the output voltage of the AVR. This is simply for the purposes of continuous high power heat dissipation testing by the electrical product certifiers. This mode effectively limits the current available to the speakers, but increases the risk of clipping the amp.

This Audioholics article explains the whole issue in detail.

Here’s the measurement page of the most recent Audioholics AVR review: Denon AVR-X5200W | Measurements. Note the commentary/recommendations about the impedance selector switch.


Thanks for the info and the links.
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Sorry it's sold...
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