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post #6151 of 6175 Old 08-12-2015, 07:25 AM
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Anyone with floorstanders in small room?
Keep in mind that PSB bookshelf speakers use the same mid and high frequency drivers as their floor-standing counterparts. In a small room, a good bookshelf speaker paired with one or more capable subs will perform as well as a floor-standing speaker. Bookshelf speakers will sound better if placed on stands away from walls, and not on a "bookshelf".
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Anyone with floorstanders in small room?

Regarding the room, I have Alpha T1 speakers in a similarly sized room and they work just fine. The only draw back I found is that they are the height they are, bookshelf speakers are a bit more versatile in that you can make use of your vertical space with taller stands or hanging them and tilting them towards the MLP. This becomes a bit more crucial in smaller spaces where floor space is at a premium and there is a higher likelihood of something being in the way of the sound.


Regarding towers vs bookshelf. Previously I had B1 speakers in front L/R, when I went looking to upgrade my rears I found the T1 for the same price as the B1. I was perfectly happy with my front sound stage but it was too good of a deal to pass up. If this is an HT setup and you have a sub then I agree with AustinJerry there is no point having towers over bookshelf. If it is an HT and you don't have a sub, hands down I would buy bookshelf speakers and a sub. If your primary use is music than I would personally go for the towers.
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Don't waste any time getting the sub(s)! Just ask @andremal about how much they improve a system, even with tower speakers.
I did already have surround speakers when I added my sub but I can say that I was/am blown away by how much my sound opened up after adding dual subs. You can check out the journey I took in this thread. It was definitely ear opening!
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I did already have surround speakers when I added my sub but I can say that I was/am blown away by how much my sound opened up after adding dual subs. You can check out the journey I took in this thread. It was definitely ear opening!
Are PSB subs any good ? I'm not in the US so SVS and other subs popular in the US are not available here. But can get PSB subs at a good price. Have you heard the the sub series 200 or 300 ?
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Are PSB subs any good ? I'm not in the US so SVS and other subs popular in the US are not available here. But can get PSB subs at a good price. Have you heard the the sub series 200 or 300 ?
I'm afraid I've never auditioned one. You could head over to the Subwoofer thread and see if you can find some feedback threads.

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Are PSB subs any good ? I'm not in the US so SVS and other subs popular in the US are not available here. But can get PSB subs at a good price. Have you heard the the sub series 200 or 300 ?
I've not heard those particular subs but I have heard other PSB subs and they reminded me a lot of my Boston Acoustics PV900 sub (now long out of production). They perform well within their design limits, but they do not stand up to most of the internet direct options in terms of raw power output (as I've learned when I added an SVS sub to my system). However, I spent a decade quite happy with the PV900 alone (you can't miss what you've never had ). I would opt for the most powerful PSB sub you can afford and set up the system accordingly. It will definitely be better than going without. Good luck.
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No worries Mark.

If you're inclined, please check back in with your impressions when you get them up and running.
The PSB Imagine B's finally arrived yesterday. I haven't had a lot of time to listen to them yet, but they are a definite improvement over my old speakers. I'll post again after I've had a chance to listen to them more.

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I ended up going for the Synchrony One's and am chuffed. Simply outstanding speakers. Have them being driven by my M2, great combo.


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Center Help

Looking for a quick opinion about a center. I am looking to for a center for my two PSB GB-1 (made 2008-2012ish) Bookshelf speakers. I have two options below that seem like decent deals to me.

PSB Image C4 - New - 4" drivers - Down to 60hz - $129 NEW
PSB Stratus C5 - New in 2001 - 5" drives - Down to about 60hz - $130ish EBay


My bookshelf speakers go down to 55hz. I am really thinking of going with the PSB Image C4 because I dont want to buy a 15 year old speaker. Does any one have thoughts on the Image C4, is it too small with the 4" drivers? Should I just wait until I find a used C5, C40, XC, etc? I am not looking for super loud, just solid good sound with an occasion semi loud show off. Thanks.
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I ended up going for the Synchrony One's and am chuffed. Simply outstanding speakers. Have them being driven by my M2, great combo.


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As a fellow Synchrony One owner, my strong advice would be to get that center speaker up off the ground. Floor bounce is likely degrading the quality of center channel dialog, which is critical in a home theater system. You will immediately hear the difference and won't regret it. If you use automatic room correction, remember to re-run your measurements after moving the speaker. The Synchrony One center channel speaker is fabulous, and you owe it to yourself to get the most out of it.

This is the stand I use, and I recommend it highly: http://www.sanus.com/en_US/products/...-stands/sfc22/
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As a fellow Synchrony One owner, my strong advice would be to get that center speaker up off the ground. Floor bounce is likely degrading the quality of center channel dialog, which is critical in a home theater system. You will immediately hear the difference and won't regret it. If you use automatic room correction, remember to re-run your measurements after moving the speaker. The Synchrony One center channel speaker is fabulous, and you owe it to yourself to get the most out of it.

This is the stand I use, and I recommend it highly: http://www.sanus.com/en_US/products/...-stands/sfc22/
+ 1. I have the same stand for my Synchrony one c - it works great. Anybody have any info on PSB's Dolby Atmos modules? Someone posted a few months ago they were working on them.
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As a fellow Synchrony One owner, my strong advice would be to get that center speaker up off the ground. Floor bounce is likely degrading the quality of center channel dialog, which is critical in a home theater system. You will immediately hear the difference and won't regret it. If you use automatic room correction, remember to re-run your measurements after moving the speaker. The Synchrony One center channel speaker is fabulous, and you owe it to yourself to get the most out of it.



This is the stand I use, and I recommend it highly: http://www.sanus.com/en_US/products/...-stands/sfc22/

Still plan to get a good stand, supplier was out of stock of the one I was after, so on the floor in the interim.

I agree though, definitely a fantastic centre channel!
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Still plan to get a good stand, supplier was out of stock of the one I was after, so on the floor in the interim.

I agree though, definitely a fantastic centre channel!
Set it on its box then.
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Still plan to get a good stand, supplier was out of stock of the one I was after, so on the floor in the interim.

I agree though, definitely a fantastic centre channel!

Set it on its box then.
Or you could use 2 C-claps to attach a piece of plywood to extend the middle shelf, move the components from the middle shelf to the bottom shelf, and move the centre channel from the floor to the extended middle shelf.
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Just picked up a PSB system including Imagine S surrounds. I want to use the surrounds in dipole, but the jumper cables included in the package seem to be too small to fit the binding posts.

Forum member TheZaha appears to have had a fitment problem with the Imagine S as well (post 5292 in this thread - can't link as I'm a new member ) and references forum member Sound Master BIC as also having the same issue (although I couldn't find that post). I wonder if they also had jumpers with spades too small to fit the binding posts?

I e-mailed my dealer, but in the meantime - has anyone else had the problem and what was the eventual resolution? Will PSB or my dealer supply jumper cables that fit? Is there any other easy solution or stopgap that doesn't involve spending ~$30 to buy new jumpers?

Thanks much in advance. I suppose using bipole for the time being isn't such a big deal.
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Are PSB subs any good ? I'm not in the US so SVS and other subs popular in the US are not available here. But can get PSB subs at a good price. Have you heard the the sub series 200 or 300 ?
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Are PSB subs any good ? I'm not in the US so SVS and other subs popular in the US are not available here. But can get PSB subs at a good price. Have you heard the the sub series 200 or 300 ?
I haven't used the SVS or other available subs, but I do have the sub series 300. I am satisfied with the 300 for both HT and music duties, it always blends well with the rest of my Imagine system. It has no problems rattling the garage door on the front of my house from the living room when I ask it to. Maybe I don't listen loud enough, but I have never felt like it was lacking output. I am sure there are other, better, subs out there, but when I got my Imagine system it made sense to buy everything PSB because of how I ordered the system.
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Its not that PSB subs are bad. But for PSB's asking price, subs from Rythmik, SVS, NXG, PSA, etc offer far better performance being able to play louder, and lower at comparable or lower distortion levels of PSB subs. My entry level Rythmik LV12-R absolutely walks over my PSB Subsonic 5 (in terms of playing lower, louder, and articulation) which now serves in my secondary system.

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I have a set of 5 (very old) PSB speakers - Century 800i L,R, Century 200ci center, Century 400i surrounds and a Rythmik LV 12 SW. I am very satisfied with the speakers and never thought of upgrade, although the newer models may be better - but I never felt the need to upgrade.

However, I am thinking of changing the surrounds from the bookshelf Century 400i on stands to something smaller that I want to set up on wall mounted shelves to free up the space that the floor stands take. Any suggestions of newer speakers - may/may not be PSB - that matches the 400i surrounds?

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I bought a pair of Alpha B1's scratch and dent from Crutchfield for my computer setup. Been reading all the hype for years and never really paid attention but saw these marked down and thought WTH. Well... What a surprise! These $250 speakers sounded great. Running a Dayton DTA120a amp and a DIY 8" sub out of my soundcard.

However, I can't leave well enough alone so decided to upgrade some crossover parts. (Actually I have been doing this for years with just about every speaker I have owned.) Replaced the Electrolytic caps with Sonicaps and the resistor with a Lynx unit of the same values. ( Love Sonicaps in tweeter circuits) Added a couple pieces of No Rez damping I had here, reinstalled the included fiberglass and these speakers sound gorgeous! Did this yesterday and have been listening to everything I can get my hands on ever since.

I had a pair of B6's I would be all over those crossovers. I always leave the coils alone though as their resistance is usually figured into the design.

These alphas are the first PSB's I have heard and now definitely intrigued.
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Hi, vlad335.

Sorry, wrong thread but I can't PM you. You posted on AudioKarma a couple of years ago, if I remember correctly, that you had sold a pair of KEF Q60s and that you got the crossover schematic from KEF.

Do you still have the schematic?, because I may be interested in buying a copy.

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Just picked up a PSB system including Imagine S surrounds. I want to use the surrounds in dipole, but the jumper cables included in the package seem to be too small to fit the binding posts.

Forum member TheZaha appears to have had a fitment problem with the Imagine S as well (post 5292 in this thread - can't link as I'm a new member ) and references forum member Sound Master BIC as also having the same issue (although I couldn't find that post). I wonder if they also had jumpers with spades too small to fit the binding posts?

I e-mailed my dealer, but in the meantime - has anyone else had the problem and what was the eventual resolution? Will PSB or my dealer supply jumper cables that fit? Is there any other easy solution or stopgap that doesn't involve spending ~$30 to buy new jumpers?

Thanks much in advance. I suppose using bipole for the time being isn't such a big deal.

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I've got the Surround S, which I first used in dipole mode followed by "dual mono surround" mode to simulate a 7.1 setting with opposite-firing drivers. That worked well enough when my Surround S had to be near our sofa, and I didn't have the room to do proper side surrounds behind the sofa.

But now, the separation to match the recommended Dolby Atmos placement guidelines of about 90/110 and 135/150 degrees for the sides and rears pretty much requires distinct surround speakers.

I've retired the pair of Surround S until I determine where (or if) I can put them in the new room and picked up a pair of Imagine X2T on sale from Audio Advisor (figuring I could always re-purpose them for two-channel use in our bedroom, with the temporary benefit of a little more robust upper bass in the back of the room, and a crossover of 80 Hz).

Meanwhile, my jumpers disappeared. Thus I did call PSB, and their customer service rep told me that they had wall mounts but didn't have a set of jumpers available to order from them. Your best bet is to measure the post diameter for the spades, as well as the width between the two pairs of binding posts, and try a hardware store to see if you can find a replacement. DK what price would be though.


OTOH if I didn't have them already, I'd recommend simply getting Imagine B bookshelves for your side and rears to have more flexible direct radiator type surrounds, unless you have no other choice. I'd stay away from the S in a conventional five or seven floor channel Atmos configuration like 5.1.4 or 7.1.4.

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Hi PSB guys I'm looking for some advice. my 5.1 system includes a pair of Synchrony Ones & a One C center, and I'm using a pair of Synchrony Two towers for surrounds. My MLP is about 3 feet from a back wall, and the surrounds are placed about a foot from the back wall angled towards the MLP. I do wish for a little more elevation from the surrounds, though, as at 39" inches with the tweeters below the woofers they are blocked a bit by the sofa & whoever else is on the sofa with me.

I was thinking of either moving the speakers forward a bit to about 90 degrees, or elevating them a few inches. Another option I'm considering is to buy a leftover pair of new Synchrony S surrounds, mounting them on stands and either using them as bipoles or wiring them as surrounds/back surrounds.

Any ideas?

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Hi PSB guys I'm looking for some advice. my 5.1 system includes a pair of Synchrony Ones & a One C center, and I'm using a pair of Synchrony Two towers for surrounds. My MLP is about 3 feet from a back wall, and the surrounds are placed about a foot from the back wall angled towards the MLP. I do wish for a little more elevation from the surrounds, though, as at 39" inches with the tweeters below the woofers they are blocked a bit by the sofa & whoever else is on the sofa with me.

I was thinking of either moving the speakers forward a bit to about 90 degrees, or elevating them a few inches. Another option I'm considering is to buy a leftover pair of new Synchrony S surrounds, mounting them on stands and either using them as bipoles or wiring them as surrounds/back surrounds.

Any ideas?

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Couple of thoughts:

- Having the side surrounds at 90 degrees is fine. Mine (Imaging B's) are at 90 degrees.

- The Synchrony 2 for a surround seems like a bit of an over-kill. I don't think the surround signal is that demanding, so a lesser, well-matched speaker would be perfectly fine. If you get a bookshelf-size speaker, that would allow you to elevate the surrounds a bit. Is there a place you could re-purpose the S2's? The Imagine B's make excellent surrounds, well-matched to the Synchrony One's.

- I would steer clear of the Surround S speaker. You will be much happier with a direct-radiating speaker, IMO. And the new immersive sound formats, should you decide to go in that direction, will require direct-radiating speakers.

- And finally, if you really want those Synchrony One's to sound their best, consider switching to Dirac Live room correction. I used to be a big Audyssey fanboy, but since implementing Dirac Live with the MiniDSP DDRC-88A, my system has never sounded so good. Check out the 88A thread. Even our old frien Brian Fineberg is an 88A owner now.

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Hey Guys,

Moving to a new apartment and i am trying to put together a 2.0 or 2.1 system. Thinking about going with the NAD D3020 and the X2T's, and then saving up for a SVS or Rythmik sub in another 6 months or so. I was however wondering if i should go with the X1T's and get a sub right away. So say in 6 months, will the difference between the X2T and the X1T's be negated with the addition of a sub, or will the X2T's still produce a better low/mid sound along with the sub than the X1T's with a sub? I figure i might as well get the better speakers now and then wait a few months to complete it with a sub.
I have the opportunity to listen to them at a store nearby, so i will be doing that soon. However, i just wanted some input here first.

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